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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 6 18:45:15 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Oct 6 13:06:08 2006. Graffiti did not develop in the 1960s. It went through a reform in the 60s, yes. It was this reform that turned graffiti into a dirty word. Despite the reform, it is still defined as art. It is when it is placed on property without that properties owner's consent that it becomes vandalism. Graffiti has existed since early Greece and Rome. Do some reading buddy |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Oct 6 19:04:17 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 21:51:40 2006. I'll agree that the silver and blue scheme wasn't that bad on subway cars except for the R7/9's that had it. It looked great in the early 1970's when it was freshly applied, but then came the grime and later the graffiti that really ruined it. Also the pistachio green scheme in the interior of the cars wasn't THAT bad. I've been in buses that had that scheme and I liked it as a kid. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Oct 6 19:28:40 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Oct 6 19:04:17 2006. IAWTP. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 6 23:41:59 2006, in response to Mod Parent Up!, posted by Subterranean Railway on Fri Oct 6 16:29:30 2006. Well..if he really wanted to get "showy" he should have drawn it on paper and posted it on the Web...Im sure thousands would have seen it if he placed it on the proper forums. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 6 23:52:11 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 23:34:53 2006. Practice what you preach. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 6 23:53:54 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 4 10:21:13 2006. Oh, really? That's insanely hypocritical. If common the common slang of the street doesn't belong, then why do things like LOL and OMGWTFBBQ belong? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 6 23:55:49 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Oct 4 16:45:28 2006. Are you new? Welcome to SubChat, where opinions are routinely jammed down throats. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Fri Oct 6 23:56:29 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Oct 6 18:45:15 2006. Graffiti is much older than even that!
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Fri Oct 6 23:57:39 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 15:21:17 2006. like desks in the alexander libary |
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Posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 6 23:59:02 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Oct 3 22:04:01 2006. No he wasn't. If he was, he would have noticed that the worst thing on the subways was not crime, mechanical troubles, or lack of funding, it was graffitti. Graffitti was the single worst problem in the subway. Had it not been allowed to take root, the system still would have been broken, unsafe and unreliable, but this wouldn't have matteres, because it would have looked nice. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Fri Oct 6 23:59:53 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 6 23:59:02 2006. Um, graffiti is a crime, so wouldn't crime be the worst thing on the subways anyway? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:02:14 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Edwards! on Wed Oct 4 20:31:34 2006. Your analogy makes no sense.Let's be clear, some systems in Europe have Graffitti issues, and yet they are not like the NYC subway was in the 80s. But if you elect to operate a train in spite of the graffitti on it, that doesn't mean that tomorrow, you'll elect to operate a train with door problems tomorrow. Or that you'll stop trying to catch criminals in the subway. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:04:04 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:29:35 2006. And that's why tagging trains is a bad idea. It's someone elses property. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 7 00:05:18 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Oct 4 09:09:00 2006. Umm..it was English...And it just goes to show you exactly what I was saying earlier in another post to Silver Fox about language differences in cultures. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Sat Oct 7 00:05:42 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 20:48:52 2006. "remember, I'm the piece of shit."-Mr. Hanky |
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Best NYCT paint scheme(Re: 7 train tagged in service!) |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:06:20 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:20:57 2006. Blech. No it isn't.IMO, the best paint scheme was the aqua and white scheme painted on some cars. I also like the original color of the R-10s: it was the first change from the nasty, solid colors of the R1-9s. It's a shame that the R16 would go right back to solid color garbage. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:08:17 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by New Brunswick Station on Fri Oct 6 23:59:53 2006. Graffitti is to crime what a blown light bulb is to mechanical failure. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:11:19 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by mambomta on Tue Oct 3 20:21:30 2006. What's the point of washing your clothes if they will just get dirty again?Personal hygiene goes beyond appearance. Being dirty is detrimantal to your health. Additionally, stink repulses people. What's the point of buying new clothes if they will just get as raggeddy as the old ones? Thermal protection/Laws on indecency. What's the point of taking a shower or bath when you will just get dirty again? See #1. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 7 00:11:42 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Wed Oct 4 14:55:48 2006. Stupid.That IS your new name. It does NOT belong on a rail car.. It Belongs on CAVAS, or on a COMMISHIONED WALL. You have no idea what TRUE ART is... Placing TAGGS on a subway car is selfish..bastardized way of showing the "world" how MOMMY didn't let you scrawl on the walls at home..so you need to do it ELSEWHERE... Grow up and realise that it is an unacceptable form on PUBLIC/PRIVATE property WITHOUT permission. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Oct 7 00:15:27 2006, in response to 7 train tagged in service!, posted by gonzea on Tue Oct 3 17:39:55 2006. The degenerate who did that needs his eyes plucked out. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:17:44 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by SilverFox on Wed Oct 4 04:24:00 2006. Everything was filthy, crumbling, and exuded the hint that further danger lurks not too far away. You always felt like a lamb going to slaughter, either as a target on a platform, or subject to roving gangs of wolf packs or mechanical breakdowns on the trains themselves. The whole system either smelled of something burning, or of urine.Each night on the news, there would seemingly be some new screwup either caused by mechanical breakdown (more like the machine just couldn't take it anymore and outright disintigrated), or by the ingenuity and ferocity of the crime detailed. I remember the story of some idiot running around Ely Avenue with a meat cleaver. He wasn't caught for some time before doing a lot of damage to straphangers. Graffitti was responsible for none of these things. As you mentioned in another post: yes, graffitti is a maintenance issue. But, non-removal of graffitti does not automatically mean that people are not doing maintenance. What lead to the decay of the system was the fact that nobody was doing anything. OTOH, if graffitti was not addressed, while other maintenance was performed, you would have a system that still works. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Oct 7 00:18:08 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by 1/9 Broadway Local on Wed Oct 4 14:55:48 2006. degenerate graffiti "artists" need their eyes plucked out. Thet will effectively neutralize them--- A good outcome for society. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:18:52 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 14:50:12 2006. heh, and since when do NIMBYs vandalize the subway? |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Oct 7 00:20:06 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 3 17:42:24 2006. I hope someone goes to jail a loooooooooooooooooooong time for that vandalism. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 7 00:20:16 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Oct 4 14:43:27 2006. I don't think his parents would think so..but if he thinks tagging is COOL..then I'm game.Lets see... Several cans of STAY GLOW PAINT[you know..the kind that glows in the dark..and cant be removed]..about 20..of various colors..bright yellow for sure...doomsday red...and the piece must be at least 50ft tall..and as wide as his house... Yes...that the ticket. |
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Posted by BIE on Sat Oct 7 00:21:45 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 3 17:50:18 2006. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 7 00:23:25 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:02:14 2006. Thats over THERE..we are talking about HERE in NYC.. where things can get out of hand very quickly...Look at subway car windows if you need a clue. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 7 00:30:47 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 20:46:21 2006. You KIDDIN"?Man..I use to get on a tagged train...in utter bliss! Getting dryed up paint on my clothing...sitting in a seat that was cover in some crap..SHEER DELIGHT..MY GOOD MAN! Ahh..the joys of it all... Dont you dream of the days of yore? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:41:08 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by BIE on Sat Oct 7 00:15:27 2006. Nice to see that you put regard for trains ahead of human decency. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:42:31 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by BIE on Sat Oct 7 00:18:08 2006. You should go live with people who think like you. Get a one-way ticket to Kandahar. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:44:08 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 7 00:23:25 2006. Windows make my point for me. NYCT has continued to allow the window problem to exist, and yet the rest of the system has not fallen apart. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 01:20:10 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Oct 3 21:10:16 2006. Neither have maintenance issues, or other crimes. They've just been brought under control. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Oct 7 08:05:35 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:41:08 2006. Nice to see that you put regard for trains ahead of human decency.But the guy who did that isn't a decent human! I would apply the same punishment he would have received in Singapore. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 14:25:52 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by BMTLines on Sat Oct 7 08:05:35 2006. Your definitions of decent are astounding. I would assume that you have NEVER broken any laws. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 7 16:48:57 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 23:40:07 2006. If sent to either prison they will be 'Singing'. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 7 16:49:55 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:22:23 2006. Huh? |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 7 16:50:31 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:04:04 2006. Truth. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Oct 7 16:51:39 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 7 00:20:16 2006. How much is a can? I'll chip in some $ if I can help tag his house if he thinks tagging trains is 'cool' |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 7 16:54:09 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:29:35 2006. Don't be a hypocrite. Tagging a subway car is the same thing as tagging your house. You countenanced the one; so now you've invited the world to do the other. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sat Oct 7 17:07:05 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 14:25:52 2006. I would assume that you have NEVER broken any lawsYou would assume incorrectly. I break the "victimless" nanny-state laws all the time (such as the seatbelt laws) - but I have never vandalized property which is what this is! It isn't jaywalking .... |
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Posted by 5119 on Sat Oct 7 17:46:11 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 7 00:11:42 2006. Well Stated, Edwards, one of the few voices of reason on this forum. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Sat Oct 7 17:51:43 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Oct 4 07:59:31 2006. These trainzzz pass me everyday and supervision has called me off job to view unusual trainsets. Fake. Or, it goes to shop for clean-up pronto. Never saw it.BTW: email error of odd kind prevented me from responding. Thank you Broadway Lion |
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Posted by 5119 on Sat Oct 7 17:58:21 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by BMTLines on Sat Oct 7 17:07:05 2006. Good Comeback BMT Lines, I just can't believe the posters on this forum who use rationalizations to justify those who vandalize property. It just doesn't make any sense. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 18:28:32 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by BMTLines on Sat Oct 7 17:07:05 2006. Punishments should fit the crime. Yes, vandalism has a victim, but so does spitting. Perhaps people who spit should have their mouths glued shut?Suggesting excessive punishments for crimes puts you in the same frame of thought as merciless extremists. In fact, most of you are being extremists: PROTECT THE TRAINS AT ANY COST TO HUMANS!!! |
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Posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 18:29:03 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by 5119 on Sat Oct 7 17:58:21 2006. I'm not justifying vandalism, if you're paying attention. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Oct 7 19:05:30 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by J trainloco on Fri Oct 6 23:55:49 2006. Haha, no, I've been here for a while. |
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Posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Oct 7 19:06:36 2006, in response to Best NYCT paint scheme(Re: 7 train tagged in service!), posted by J trainloco on Sat Oct 7 00:06:20 2006. I have a feeling that if *any* color scheme were to be reinstated then it would be the silver and blue. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Oct 7 19:29:18 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Edwards! on Sat Oct 7 00:23:25 2006. So you truly think that by allowing a car with graffiti on it to be put on the road that it will bring the system back into chaos? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Oct 7 19:29:59 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Wed Oct 4 16:29:35 2006. Then don't advicate graffiti on trains. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Oct 7 19:31:20 2006, in response to Re: Best NYCT paint scheme(Re: 7 train tagged in service!), posted by The Port of Authority on Sat Oct 7 19:06:36 2006. I agree, but I do think that the white and aqua was the nicest of all |
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