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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:19:59 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 19:41:15 2006. Yes, but we grew up on the Eastern Division Lines!!!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:22:06 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 20:12:33 2006. But I have no idea what the walls were supposed to look like, since I never saw the walls in their intended paint schemesNeither did we. Graffiti on the 1 was much worse than on that K train. And we didn't have any air conditioning at all. The 8th Ave K train was nothing. On the JMZ, we had our mainstay was the R27-30's and the R16's, which rivaled equally with any of the IRT "future" redbird trains. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:22:52 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:22:06 2006. I won't argue with you there. I'm comparing to that pristene K train. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:23:40 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:00:40 2006. Yes, but I know some a guy that lived around 92nd St/Bway in the 70's. And the way he described it is night and day from today. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 21:24:01 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 20:44:13 2006. My bad. I had forgot to run that post by him first. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:24:50 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 25 21:01:41 2006. The price of deferred maintenance. Would such a train even be allowed on the road today? |
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Posted by FLASH GORDON on Tue Jul 25 21:25:12 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 25 21:04:46 2006. Or when 10%of the bulb was only lite.FLASH GORDON |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:25:43 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:03:56 2006. Let me just say, "R16".No further explanation necessary.... :) And the R27-30's were DEFINIETLY not a prize either. Yes, we had an OCCASIONAL R42 that was supposed to be air conditioned, but the majority was the R16-27-30s (on the East). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 25 21:26:54 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 25 21:10:36 2006. Actually, the bottom of the bowl was a little after 1980. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 21:28:47 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 25 21:01:41 2006. All storm doors were hooked open due to the hot weather.hahaha. The front and back ones too? THAT would be something. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:29:25 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:03:56 2006. Many R33/36's got A/C in the 1970's. Not sure how many ran on the #1. By the time I started venturing up there, it was almost all R62A. The only cars with A/C on the B division at this time were the R44/46's. The units on the R42's, the 200 R40/R40M's and the 10 R38's were almost universally out of commission. I rode a pre GOH R42 with working A/C ONCE in my entire life (July 1987 on the J). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:30:52 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 20:40:46 2006. Heh, I was still a kid in the 70's, but I remember boarding an L train at Union Square around 1976 or so with my father, and we entered a "dark car". We got in, and all of a sudden this "funny smell" came over the car. I looked up at my father and said "what's that smell?!?" (think of that "funny" cigarette smell that's not tobacco). My father trying to avoid the question said, "I don't know, let's go to the next car"....***It was only years later when I smelled that smell again, that all of a sudden I thought back on that day and throught...."OHHHHHH!!!! THAT's what that smell was on the L train!!!"..... ***as we walked THOUGH cars to the next car - haha..... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:32:06 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 25 21:04:46 2006. I remember those "blue" lights on some R10's. I never had the balls to ride in one of those on the CC. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 21:32:56 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:30:52 2006. heh, Weed on the Rails. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:34:39 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 25 21:09:25 2006. The seeds which brought on these conditions were planted in the 1960's. But I don't think anyone saw this coming. The optimism of the 1968 plans for expansion must've seemed like eons earlier just a decade later. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:35:56 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jul 25 21:14:15 2006. Puke green and grey. The grafitti may have been an improvement. Worst interior paintjob ever. |
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Posted by Channel 7 Eyewitness News on Tue Jul 25 21:36:14 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 20:59:03 2006. Darn, those are the exact pictures I am usually looking for. I am not from the era, but I know it was bad. It fascinates me on how bad it used to be. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:37:30 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:23:40 2006. Certainly. I grew up in the neighborhood in the 70's as well.But ritzy? Fraid not. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:38:32 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 21:24:01 2006. Maybe if you stopped foaming you'd remember. Typical railbuff nonsense. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:39:19 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:18:29 2006. Grafitti was "officially" conquered in May 1989, when the last non-redbird R27/30's were pulled from service. I recall the front page of Newsday with a photo of a grafitti scrawled train under the headline "Gone For Good". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:40:04 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:19:59 2006. We WISH we had it as good as the IRT! |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:42:21 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:37:30 2006. It was where poor artists lived. It gentrified in the 1980's. It wasn't Alphabet City, but it wasn't far off. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:43:03 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:40:04 2006. The West Side? No, you most certainly do not. |
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Posted by Channel 7 Eyewitness News on Tue Jul 25 21:43:06 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Jul 25 19:31:33 2006. YEa, I hate when tourists say, "WOW the system is nicer than i thought." It was nice since 89. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:44:01 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:42:21 2006. No, it wasn't even close to Alphabet City!I was in the neighborhood during the gentrification. I know what happened. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:44:10 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:25:43 2006. The A/C on these cars and the R40 slants NEVER worked, at least in my experience. I assume that if you can't keep the lights working, making the A/C work is asking way too much. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:47:14 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:42:21 2006. It was where poor artists lived.Hahaha! Funny you should say that! He was an actor back then. (He's in his early 60's now). He was never famous, but he did a few commercials and voice overs, and Broadway, etc. But he was a "poor artist" type. He lived in some rent controlled apartment in an old walk up, and paid some ridiculous low rent, even for then. (He told me the figure, but I forgot. He describes it as "seedy", not the greatest place, but definitely not like Alphabet City either back then. He left just before "gentrification" began. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 21:48:06 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:38:32 2006. I'm not old/mature enough to stop foaming. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:48:30 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 21:32:56 2006. And nary a cop in sight. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:51:29 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:44:01 2006. The neighborhood wasn't a monolith. It got nicer the closer you got to Central Park (though you still avoided that area after dark). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:53:07 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:29:25 2006. Truth be told, when I would get an R42 on the M in the summer back then, I usually would rather have had an R30 or R16, at least those had those fans that blew the hot air around. The R42's were stifling with no AC running, as then you didn't even have the movement from the fans.I remember the first time I saw a pre GOH R42 when they did the quick clean up before GOH. It was Spring 1985 or Spring 1986 (not sure), but it was a "WOW" seeing those all cleaned up and what I thought was the best look of their lives, with the interior and exterior doors painted dark blue. They sure looked sharp (sharper than now with the smaller windowed, stainless doors). Another new thing at that point was the "whole car" ads. It was the first time I saw them put the same product add all over one whole side of the car (they do that often today). Before that, we were used to the mishmosh of ads like "Pregnant? We can help" or the adventures of Jose and Marisol ads and all the Aids and STD's they caught rumping anyone they could get near. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:54:29 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:35:56 2006. That's the same color the R16's, and R30's were supposed to be. Then they did the orange and beige scheme, which quickly was just as hard to tell the color of. Some R16's got the orange, but many kept the grey.Occasionally, you would get a grey doored R30 mixed in with the orange doored ones. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:54:56 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:51:29 2006. No it didn't. It was (and still is, to a much lesser, but still quite noticeable, extent) somewhat seedy on either side of Amsterdam. West of Broadway was fine.The people who lived in the neighborhood didn't avoid it after dark. You are exaggerating. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:55:53 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:22:52 2006. Haha. I can agree with that too. That K looks pretty good considering what the the J, M and L rolling stock looked like (and yes, your IRT prizes). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:56:16 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:43:03 2006. Yes, we do. It was worse. Trust me. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Tue Jul 25 21:58:05 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:47:14 2006. where do poor artists live now? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:58:39 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:43:03 2006. Oh, I have to agree with Chris here. You certianly didn't have it good, but the JML was definitely the backside of the subway system.I have to acknowledge though that the IRT probably is pretty close in there too though, probably because we had the same type of rolling stock (you just had skinier versions of it). We certainly didn't get the good stuff! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 22:02:08 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by New Brunswick Station on Tue Jul 25 21:58:05 2006. Bushwick, Bed-Stuy, Greenpoint, Williamsburg, Bowery, Lower East Side, etc. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 22:04:12 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:53:07 2006. Before that, we were used to the mishmosh of ads like "Pregnant? We can help" or the adventures of Jose and Marisol ads and all the Aids and STD's they caught rumping anyone they could get near. I seem to remember a TON of cigarette ads during this era. Yes, Carlton is lowest, and you've come a long way, baby. Then there were the Nancy Reagan/Gary Coleman "Don't Do Drugs" ads. Sorry, even Willis would smoke some crack if he had to live in the slums during this era. New Coke ads were everywhere in 1985, but were replaced with "Old Coke is back" stuff rather quickly. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 22:06:14 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:39:19 2006. Yes, graffiti was offiically eradicated from the trains in 1989, but it wasn't until 1993 I think that the last STATION had it removed, and it was put into the NYCTA's "graffiti-free" program. I forgot the station, but it was definitely an elevated station, and it was in the Bronx I believe. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 22:06:46 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:54:29 2006. Best was the R32's with orange doors and turquoise seats. You'd think the MTA chairman was a Dolphins fan. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 25 22:07:12 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Jul 25 21:01:41 2006. http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=286537 |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 22:08:01 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:54:56 2006. You're remembering it thru a child's eyes. I'm not using my own memories (I really don't have any before the mid 1980's). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 22:09:04 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Channel 7 Eyewitness News on Tue Jul 25 21:43:06 2006. It was nice since 89.No, the trains were cleaned up by 1989, but it would be another 3 or 4 years or so before they finished to the last station to be put in what was then called the "graffiti-free" program. (Not that the tourists would have seen those last stations, as most were some of the elevated stations). Most of the underground stations were done long before (and especially Manhattan). |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 25 22:09:32 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 19:34:09 2006. I remember one of our teenage railfans posting on here about how he couldn't imagine the horrors CPW riders faced with ONLY one day-long route on the local.Whatever happened to that guy, anyway? He hasn't posted in a while... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 22:09:49 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by New Brunswick Station on Tue Jul 25 21:58:05 2006. Jersey. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 22:10:24 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 21:38:32 2006. Is that all you think about? Maybe you should get off those trains you ride all day and associate with people, you poor person with Asberger's. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 22:13:45 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 22:04:12 2006. Yes, LOTS of cigarette ads in the mid 80's. Do you remember those "extra large" ceiling ads on the R30's (and maybe the R16's, I don't remember), that were right above the storm doors on either end in front of the rollsign boxes? Those were almost always cigarette ads. Newports come to mind, but I don't think I ever saw anything other than cigarette ads in those large ceiling panels over the "railfan" window doors. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 22:14:16 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 25 22:09:32 2006. My guess: girlfriend. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 22:15:21 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 22:06:46 2006. Hahahaha!! The R42's had that too though, as well as the slants.it's just amazing that they even thought orange was a good idea. And it had to be "standard" I guess. Whether it went with the other colors in the various classes of cars or not. |
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