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Posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006 What purpose does the W really serve I know it was meant to increase Broadway local service but it is always empty and those R40/R42 cars could be better utilized on the L. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Jul 21 07:00:59 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. I believe the W is best seen in action during the rush hours going to and from Astoria. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 09:14:01 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. Really? It's always empty? That's news to me.The R alone would not be able to handle the demands of Broadway local service. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 09:18:45 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. Which W are you referring to? The ones on your HO train set at home, perhaps? I rode the real ones frequently in 2004 and they were generally full of people. Not always crush loads or standing loads but most seats were filled. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 09:30:47 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. The W does serve a purpose, and there are decent loads between Canal and 57/7 (Even to Astoria during the rush hours).My biggest gripe with the W is the way it's handled at Whitehall, an inefficient pocket terminal that only backs up many southbound R trains at Rector. One southbound W would sit at Rector and wait for clearance from his leader leaving Whitehall. This, in turn, delays the R behind it. I also see no sense on why the last 3 scheduled W trains run to 86th Street on the N Sea Beach. I would think the W would be more useful if it was extended to Kings Highway during rush hours (6:45 AM to 8:45 AM and 4:30 PM to 6:15 PM) so the bulk of the R trains during rush hours would not be backed up. (But this may back up some N trains too at Bay Parkway.) |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 09:41:13 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 09:18:45 2006. "Most seats were filled" does not make it full of people. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 09:42:19 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 09:41:13 2006. Relative to the empty train he supposedly saw, yes it does. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 09:43:13 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 09:30:47 2006. I don't think the 4th Avenue trunk needs five rush hour services. Nor does the Sea Beach need two.The pocket terminal is fine. It sounds like northbound trains aren't leaving on time or southbound trains are arriving early. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 09:46:03 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 09:42:19 2006. I'm addressing your comment, not his. I addressed his in another post.If the W typically carried only a seated load during rush hours (which, in fact, it most certainly does not), service would be reduced or eliminated. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 09:46:58 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 09:46:03 2006. "If the W typically carried only a seated load during rush hours (which, in fact, it most certainly does not), service would be reduced or eliminated."That's entirely possible. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 09:54:48 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 09:43:13 2006. Better scheduling would take care of this issue.No need to have the last 3 W trains (all empty) run in service to 86th Street. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 09:56:22 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 09:54:48 2006. They have to go there anyway to get to the yard. Might as well carry any passengers who happen to be heading in the same direction. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 10:06:04 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 09:56:22 2006. But the same can be said for other W trains running lite to City Hall lower from Astoria. They can run in service to Canal, discharge and fumigate there before diverging into the layup area. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 10:13:15 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 10:06:04 2006. Yes, they could, but that would confuse people who expect the train to go further.The three W's to Brooklyn do need to run in service in Manhattan. They could discharge at Whitehall, but why bother? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 10:26:18 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 10:13:15 2006. It didn't confuse people on the last Manhattan R train running southbound to Canal St, discharge and relay back up as a put-in for the last R train to Queens. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 21 10:29:15 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 09:18:45 2006. Which W are you referring to?Mark |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 10:31:04 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 10:26:18 2006. Sure it does. But that R train is needed for service, while the W's that go to City Hall are not. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 10:47:14 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. This is the kind of service pattern most have been wishing for so many years, two lines on the express and two on the local. Before 2001, you can't forget that both the N and R ran local on Broadway instead of sending the N express after Canal St because the R could not handle the local by itself. If you look back there always has been at the least two locals on Broadway, remember the EE?The W serves it's purpose well and it's purpose is to supplement the R since the N runs express and besides, the L doesn't need anymore R40/R42s when the R160s will be showing up soon. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 10:49:42 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 10:47:14 2006. For three months in 1990, the N ran express and over the bridge, leaving only the R as the local. It was fairly painful. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 21 10:50:18 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 10:47:14 2006. The Larry Line is going to NEED R40/42's...For the Service the R143 fleet is not big enough... They are re-doing the signal system to help with the older SMEE equipment that will be coming over... |
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Posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 10:52:48 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 21 10:50:18 2006. And they're not coming from a canceled W line. |
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Posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Fri Jul 21 10:56:21 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jul 21 09:46:58 2006. The W exists because the Broadway-BMT local requires 5 minute headways in Manhattan. If it weren't there, there would be 10-minute headways or the N would have to operate as a weekday Manhattan local and there still wouldn't be enough service to Whitehall St. Even if the W isn't crowded, the MTA (and I) think there should be 5-minute non-rush-hour headways on all local sections in Midtown and lower Manhattan. Now no more arguing, gentlemen. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 21 11:04:55 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. Gotta honor the President. :) |
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Posted by Clayton on Fri Jul 21 11:41:44 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 21 11:04:55 2006. Secret Service is monitoring us! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 21 11:43:48 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Clayton on Fri Jul 21 11:41:44 2006. Nah, their budget got cut too. But as long as there's a dubya train, we're sending a message of strength. :) |
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Posted by xtimx on Fri Jul 21 11:54:38 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 09:30:47 2006. and it backs up northbound R's. when a W is pulling out on whitehall the R has to wait south of whitehall for the signal to clear. |
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Posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 12:01:05 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by xtimx on Fri Jul 21 11:54:38 2006. That's not particularly true as the northbound R trains are always given priority over the W sitting at the station. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 12:33:28 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 12:01:05 2006. Always? No, that's certainly not the case. If the W's scheduled to go first, the W will probably go first. (If it doesn't, then it'll cause backups in southbound traffic, since the next arriving W won't have anywhere to go.) |
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Posted by xtimx on Fri Jul 21 12:36:11 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 12:01:05 2006. no, what i am saying is that if the W is scheduled to leave at lets say 14:12 but it leaves a minute or 2 late for whatever reason, a northbound R can't even enter the whitehall station at all. so it has to sit outside the station until the W clears some signals. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 12:37:37 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by xtimx on Fri Jul 21 12:36:11 2006. Couldn't station timers take care of that problem, allowing the R to enter the station slowly when the W has the lineup?(I'm not sure what the signals there are like now -- I'm rarely in the area.) |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 12:39:35 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 12:37:37 2006. There are station timers northbound, I have been on a good number of R slow crawls entering Whitehall as the pocket track is empty, indicating that a W has just left the station. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 12:42:17 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 12:39:35 2006. So why can't the R enter the station when the W has the lineup? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri Jul 21 12:45:15 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 12:42:17 2006. Sometimes it does enter, sometimes it just sits outside the interlockings.Don't know because RF windows are a rarity on the R. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 21 12:45:30 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 12:42:17 2006. Roosevelt Avenue wreck, 1970. :( |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 21 12:49:32 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. The W is supposed to supplement the N in Queens and the R in Manhattan, areas where extra service is needed, but not elsewhere along either route. R ridership is higher in Manhattan than Brooklyn. N ridership is higher in Queens than in Brooklyn. The W does a fine job supplementing both routes where the added service is needed. I rarely see empty W trains, unless it's following directly behind a late N or R. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 21 12:52:01 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 12:01:05 2006. Only if things are relatively on time. The Broadway BMT, with all it's merges, is hard to keep running smoothly. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 21 12:53:44 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 12:37:37 2006. Or, don't give the W it's proper lineup until the R train is sitting inside the station. But doing that would only create a delay as R riders try to get the W before it leaves first. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 21 12:55:12 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 10:47:14 2006. I remember the Broadway Local when only the R served it outside rush hours. BAD IDEA. It needs 2 routes all day long, and until 1976, it had at least 2. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Fri Jul 21 13:13:05 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Jul 21 12:53:44 2006. But we're talking about a situation where the W already has starting lights and a lineup, and should have left already, but, for whatever reason, hasn't done so yet. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 13:31:41 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. Oh sure shaft the Broadway-Astoria riders so the L can have a few more trains. Great idea. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 21 13:37:55 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by tydev417 on Fri Jul 21 10:52:48 2006. They are getting the cars from C.I.Y..What that means for the Wiskey or the Mikey or the Zebra,or the J or the Nancy or the Bravo or the Quincy or whatever other Line that uses those cars is anybodys guess. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 14:01:31 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 21 13:37:55 2006. The J doesn't have a name? or is it Jay? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jul 21 14:02:29 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. Cancel the "W"? Not on my watch!Wayne |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 21 14:04:27 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 14:01:31 2006. No they just call it J train... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 21 14:27:42 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 21 14:04:27 2006. But ya doesn't HAS to call it Johnson! :) |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 14:33:58 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Railman718 on Fri Jul 21 14:04:27 2006. Aw, any other line refered to it by just the letter only or just the J? |
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Posted by Christopher Rivera on Fri Jul 21 16:58:44 2006, in response to CANCEL THE W, posted by TheCanarsieConnection on Fri Jul 21 04:21:23 2006. The W does a fantastic job at whats its supposed to do, take people off the N line in Queens and off the R in Manhattan. The stations along the astoria line are amung of some of the busiest in the entire subway system, and the N would usually be crush load especially after Queensboro Plaza. With the implementation of the W and its adjustment to make it local along astoria it serves the purpose well because it's local in Manhattan and Queens so for those who need 23rd they get their 1 seat ride. In Manhattan it takes a load off the R by increasing Trains Per hour along Broadway.Also the W has more people on them during rush hour between 57 and canal than the Q. |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Fri Jul 21 17:46:01 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Christopher Rivera on Fri Jul 21 16:58:44 2006. I've at times seen more ppl on the W than the N from Astoria blvd to QBP. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 21 19:50:02 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Jul 21 14:27:42 2006. Ooooh, you can call me Ray,Or you can call me Jay, Or you can call me Johnnie, Or you can call me Sonny, Or you can call me Junie, Or you can call me Ray Jay, Or you can call me R. J. Or you can call me R. J. J. Or you can call me R. J. J., Jr., But ya doesn't has to call me Johnson! Straight from a 1980 commercial for Anheuser Busch Natural Light beer. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Jul 21 19:57:31 2006, in response to Re: CANCEL THE W, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Jul 21 14:02:29 2006. Just think! You wouldn't have the Weak, Weary, Wheezing, Whenever, Wherever, Whatever, Wrong, Why, Who, What, Where, Worthless, Wimp, Wuss, Whimpering, Washout, Wipeout, Whirring, Whizzing, Wired, Warrior, Worrier, Watermelon, Waterfall, Whale, plus any others I may have left out. |
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