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Corona and Astoria Lines Question |
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Posted by Q65A on Sat Jul 11 08:38:29 2026 Did the BRT/BMT begin serving the Corona and Astoria lines as soon as these lines were built or did they start serving them sometime later? |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sat Jul 11 09:02:50 2026, in response to Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by Q65A on Sat Jul 11 08:38:29 2026. Did the BRT/BMT begin serving the Corona and Astoria lines as soon as these lines were built or did they start serving them sometime later?BRT shuttle service began on April 8, 1923.  
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Jul 11 09:58:22 2026, in response to Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by Q65A on Sat Jul 11 08:38:29 2026. Q65 A: Here is a somewhat detailed answer to your question. Tuscarora Dispatch No 1 Track assignments at Queensboro Plaza Station 1916 - 1938 Queensboro Plaza was built as an eight track three level elevated station for joint use by both the Interborough Rapid Transit Company (IRT) and the Brooklyn Rapid Transit Company (BRT), later know as the Brooklyn Manhattan Transit Company (BMT). The lowest level was used for fare controls and a mezzanine. The next two levels were reserved for train operations. We shall call these the upper and lower levels. Each of these levels had four tracks and two island platforms. The upper level was for northbound trains (that is those trains running from Manhattan to Queens.), while the lower level was used for south or Manhattan-bound trains. The two north tracks on each level were for the use of the BRT (hereafter referred to as the BMT), while the two south tracks on each level were for the use of the IRT. Section A: Operations on BMT Tracks The north track of the BMT upper level was intended for use by BMT subway trains from Manhattan going to either the Astoria or Flushing Lines while the upper level south track was for trains from Manhattan going to the Crosstown Line. The north track of the BMT lower level was intended for use by trains from the Astoria or Flushing Lines going to Manhattan, while the lower level south track was intended for use by trains from the Crosstown Line going to Manhattan. At first it was intended that BMT trains would cross the East River on the Queensboro Bridge but this was later changed to the 60th Street Tunnel. The Crosstown Line was never built as a BMT Line although portions of it were later built as part of the IND Crosstown Line. Queensboro Plaza was never intended to be a terminal for the BMT and was built for through operation. The BMT did not begin operations from Manhattan to Queensboro Plaza until April 1, 1920 and by this time their subway car of choice was the BMT Standard which was 10 feet wide and 67 feet long which could not operate east of Queensboro Plaza because those lines had been built to IRT car specifications (9 feet wide, 52 feet long). For the next three years the BMT tried to figure out a way out of this dilemma even taking the IRT to court. During this interim period BMT trains operated to the north tracks on both levels since the south tracks (the ones for the Crosstown Line) had not been completed. Brighton Line trains used the upper level north track while 4th Avenue Line trains used the lower level north track. The trains reversed ends in the stations and used the diamond crossover on the ramp west of the station to switch tracks. The BMT finally decided to operate shuttle trains of BU Gate Cars between Queensboro Plaza and Ditmars Boulevard on the Astoria Line and 103 Street on the Flushing Line. This operation began on April 18, 1923. It should be noted that prior to 1928 when it was extended to Main Street the Flushing Line it was known as the Corona Line. Prior to the start of shuttle operation several changes were made to the track arrangement at Queensboro Plaza. BMT Subway trains from Manhattan would now use the south tracks on both levels, again with Brighton Line trains on the upper level and 4th Avenue trains on the lower level. The north tracks of each level would now be used by the El trains to Astoria and Corona. As there was no way to reverse the Astoria and Corona El Shuttles a diamond crossover was installed on the BMT Corona Lead Tracks east of Queensboro Plaza. A BMT El Shuttle from Astoria now arrived on the lower level north track and became the outbound Corona Shuttle. An inbound BMT El shuttle from Corona arrived on the upper level north track and became the outbound shuttle to Astoria. The BMT then constructed a switchback track for the subway trains running alongside of and south of the IRT tracks east of Queensboro Plaza Station. The upper level south track and the lower level south track were extended eastward to a junction with this new track. This switchback track was placed in service on July 17, 1924 and thereafter BMT Subway trains from Manhattan arrived on the upper level south track and departed from the lower level south track. This arrangement continued until 1938. Section B: Operations on IRT Tracks The north track of the IRT upper level was used by Queens-bound 2nd Avenue El trains bound for Astoria or Corona . The south track of the IRT upper level was used by Queensboro Subway trains bound for either Astoria or Corona and later Flushing. There was a diamond crossover east of the station so trains could switch to the appropriate routes. The north track of the IRT lower level was used by Manhattan-bound trains from the Astoria Line, both subway and el. The south track of the IRT lower level was used by Manhattan-bound trains from the Flushing Line, both subway and el . Again there was a diamond crossover west of the station so trains could switch to the appropriate route. The Queensboro Subway trains were the first to arrive at the new station on November 5, 1916. They arrived and departed from the IRT lower level south track single tracking back to Hunterspoint Avenue . IRT subway service to Astoria began on February 1, 1917. The Second Avenue El arrived at Queensboro Plaza on July 23, 1917 and began provided all service to Astoria on this date. IRT subway service to Astoria was restored on January 17, 1918. IRT subway service over the Flushing Line to 104 Street - Alburtis Avenue (today's 103 Street - Corona Avenue) began on April 21, 1917 followed by Second Avenue El service on January 17, 1918. Part 2 Track assignments at Queensboro Plaza Station 1939-1949 Section A: Operations on BMT Tracks The New York World's Fair of 1939-40 promised to be a major traffic and revenue generator on the jointly operated Flushing Line. Since 1923 the BMT had operated the Astoria and Flushing Shuttles as essentially a single route with a switchback at Queenboro Plaza. This meant that both lines had the same level of service. Since the Flushing Line would require additional service it would be necessary separate the two shuttles services. Trackage and switches east of Queensboro Plaza were re-arranged so that all BMT Flushing Line trains would now arrive and depart from the north track of the BMT lower level. BMT Astoria Line trains would now arrive and depart from the north track of the BMT upper level. All this work was done by April 10, 1939. Section B: Operations on IRT Tracks IRT operations continued as described above until June 13, 1942 when the Second Avenue El ceased operations. This meant that the north track of the IRT upper level was no longer needed for revenue service. However it was retained along with a stretch of track on the Queensboro Bridge as an emergency turn-back for Astoria and Flushing Line trains. Part 3 Track assignments at Queensboro Plaza Station 1949 - Now (2013) Section A: Operations on BMT Tracks The New York City Board of Transportation decided to end the joint operation of the Queens Lines in 1949. Hereafter the IRT Division would operate the Flushing Line and the BMT Division would operate the Astoria Line. All service would operate through the south or IRT half of the station. The north or BMT half of the station would be abandoned although some trackage would be retained for a period of time for non- revenue moves. Section B: Operations on IRT Tracks Queensboro Plaza Station would be essentially cut in half with only the south or IRT half remaining in use. As originally planned Queens - bound trains of both the IRT and BMT would arrive on the upper level whereas Manhattan - bound trains would arrive on the lower level. BMT trains from Manhattan would now arrive on the north track of the IRT upper level. This was the one formerly used by Queens - bound trains of the Second Avenue El. BMT trains to Manhattan would now use the north track of the IRT lower level. This one was formerly used by IRT trains from Astoria to Manhattan. As all service from Astoria would now be operated by the BMT Division the IRT had no need of it. Two assignments would remain unchanged. IRT Flushing Line subway trains would continue to use the south track of the IRT upper level while IRT trains from Queens to Manhattan would continue to use the south track of the IRT lower level. Section C: The Changeover. "IRT subway service to Astoria ended on July 24, 1949 and the IRT then began operation of BMT El cars (Q-Types) to and from the IRT half of the Queensboro Plaza Station. Southbound IRT shuttles would operate into the north track of the IRT lower level as IRT trains from Astoria had always done. They would then switchback using the remaining stretch of Second Avenue El trackage on the bridge. They would then leave the north track of the IRT upper level which had not seen regular service since 1942. Cars used in this service were marked "IRT LINES." (Source D.Rogoff 6/20/62). I do not know if this was done by temporary signage or stenciled on the sides of the cars. BMT Flushing Line Shuttles were discontinued just before midnight on Friday, October 13, 1949. Presumably the IRT Astoria shuttles were discontinued as well at this time. Over the weekend of October 15 - 16 the following schedule was in effect. BMT Brighton Locals were cut back to 57 Street - 7 Avenue. Fourth Avenue Locals were turned on the north track of the BMT lower level. (The one that had been used by BMT Flushing Line trains. The platform probably having been cut back in the interim.) A six car train of Q-Types ran as a shuttle between Ditmars Boulevard and Queensboro Plaza using the southbound track of the Astoria Line in both directions. This operation continued throughout the day on Saturday and until the late afternoon on Sunday During this time the platform edges on the northbound stations were cut back to clear the ten foot wide BMT subway cars. A six car trains of BMT Standards arrived at Astoria about five o'clock on Sunday consisted of (n) BX 2450-4025-2451 and B-Type 2536-2535-2534. The three south cars then began shuttle service on the northbound track while the platform edges on the southbound stations were cut back. also the BMT subway tracks from the 60 Street Tunnel were connected to the north tracks on the IRT half of the station. Regular operation of BMT subway trains to Astoria began on Monday morning, October 17, 1949 and continues as such until the time of this writing (October, 2013). The out of service platforms and trackage on the BMT half of the station were finally removed by March, 1963. (Source: B.Linder 5/92). Sources: 1) "A History of the Flushing and Astoria Lines" by Mr.David Rogoff, article , New York Division Bulletin February and August 1962. 2) "IRT Flushing Line" by Mr.Bernard Linder, article, New York Division Bulletin, December 1991, January, February and June 1992. 3) "The Track of New York", Number 3, Manhattan and Bronx Elevated Railroads 1920, by Mr.Alan Kahn and Mr.Jack May. 4) Electric Railroads No 23 - "New York Subways, Fifty Years of Millions" , October 1954 5) Electric Railroads No 25 - "New York El Lines 1867 - 1955" , December 1956 |
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[Photo] Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question |
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Posted by zac on Sat Jul 11 11:26:26 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Jul 11 09:58:22 2026. Can't resist posting the remnants of the never built BMT Crosstown line at Queensboro Plaza with the stub track built on top of it. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 11 13:47:11 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Jul 11 09:58:22 2026. Queensboro Plaza was a massive hub station. It's as if planners expected that area to explode in population.But it was not densely populated until a century later. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 11 13:48:37 2026, in response to Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by Q65A on Sat Jul 11 08:38:29 2026. Well, one interesting thing about Queensboro is the direction.Manhattan-bound trains are on the lower level so people taking stairs only have to climb to the lower level instead of upper level. Most people entering the system would be going to Manhattan. This was smart planning. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 11 15:21:08 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 11 13:47:11 2026. I disagree. Some transit hubs are largely only there for transfers. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 11 15:22:06 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 11 13:48:37 2026. Yes. CPW and the Eastern Parkway line work the same way. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sat Jul 11 15:52:54 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by X-Astorian on Sat Jul 11 09:02:50 2026. Love this. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 11 15:56:55 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 11 15:21:08 2026. True.But in NYC you would think there would have been a growth spurt around that hub long long ago. Instead I remember factories. Ronzoni Breyers Swingline Sunshine Biscuit All located on the east side of Sunnyside Yard. I even remember "The Welfare Building" on Northern Blvd. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 11 16:31:55 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 11 15:22:06 2026. Also Lex/63, though there of course even the upper level is a long way to the street. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sat Jul 11 16:54:44 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by Italianstallion on Sat Jul 11 15:52:54 2026. Love this.Glad you do. I have lotsa paper blasts from the past. |
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Posted by Q65A on Sat Jul 11 17:55:57 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by X-Astorian on Sat Jul 11 16:54:44 2026. Thanks to you and to all the Subchat guys; you definitely answered my question! |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Jul 11 18:18:35 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Jul 11 15:56:55 2026. And Adams Chewing Gum, makers of Chiclets, also on Thompson Av. You could often smell the gum flavors in the air. And the famous Silvercup Bread factory. Who doesn't remember driving into Queens on the QBB and encountering the amazing smell of baking bread in LIC?    |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 11 20:33:29 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by gbs on Sat Jul 11 18:18:35 2026. I know I'm being Capt. Obvious here, but imagine all the jobs then which we no longer have today, even taking into account many which would have been lost to automation?And nearby places like Swingline Staplers & Breyers Ice Cream too? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 11 21:06:05 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 11 16:31:55 2026. 5/53 and 7/53 work that way for Queens and uptown residents. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 11 21:12:27 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 11 20:33:29 2026. Lump of labor. |
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Posted by Avid reader on Sun Jul 12 09:46:11 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by gbs on Sat Jul 11 18:18:35 2026. I remember these mounted on the steel girders on the subway platforms and all of the gum stuck on the platforms!Co2 fire extinguishers were used to freeze, then scrape the gum off. 
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jul 12 09:52:52 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question Photo, posted by Avid reader on Sun Jul 12 09:46:11 2026. Avid: What a great find. I remember those machine well. Dentyne gum if I remember correctly was supposed to clean your teeth. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Avid reader on Sun Jul 12 10:03:38 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question Photo, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jul 12 09:52:52 2026. Avid: What a great find. I remember those machine well. Dentyne gum if I remember correctly was supposed to clean your teeth. Yeah. just like the Camel posters. 
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 12 10:19:01 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by X-Astorian on Sat Jul 11 09:02:50 2026. Great and interesting find! |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jul 12 10:57:46 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question Photo, posted by Avid reader on Sun Jul 12 10:03:38 2026. IIRC Camels were completely unfiltered. Even hard core smokers didn't like them. I always got a kick out of those psuedo doctors in white smocks who would say that smoking is good for you. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Jul 12 11:15:24 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by X-Astorian on Sat Jul 11 09:02:50 2026. Unusual anachronism:The 1923 map indicates an elevated station at "Broadway" -- today's 74th-Broadway stop. But the street Broadway was not cut through from Northern Blvd. to Woodside Avenue in Elmhurst until several years later, I believe it was to facilitate construction of the IND subway. You can see on the 1924 aerial map that is is just open fields, with what looks like a dirt path or road crossing part of the area. The maps shows all the old street names along the line, was it already known back in 1923 (or 1917, when the IRT Corona line opened) that Broadway was eventually to be extended to Roosevelt Ave. at that point? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 12 12:04:43 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question Photo, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jul 12 10:57:46 2026. Many years ago, it was said that cigarette smoking was only bad for you if you were an athlete. It was bad for your wind.And you were encouraged to switch to a menthol brand in the winter to soothe your sore throat if you had a cold. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 12 12:05:14 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question Photo, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jul 12 10:57:46 2026. Many years ago, it was said that cigarette smoking was only bad for you if you were an athlete. It was bad for your wind.And you were encouraged to switch to a menthol brand in the winter to soothe your sore throat if you had a cold. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jul 12 12:51:21 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question Photo, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jul 12 12:04:43 2026. Many years ago, it was said that cigarette smoking was only bad for you if you were an athlete. It was bad for your wind.And you were encouraged to switch to a menthol brand in the winter to soothe your sore throat if you had a cold. Even when we were children that was cigarette company propaganda. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Jul 12 15:30:03 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Sun Jul 12 11:15:24 2026. To thoroughly confuse the issue even more I would like to point out that during this era there was another street with the name Broadway in Flushing which was renamed Northern Boulevard to eliminate the conflict with the one in Astoria/Woodside/Elmhurst. However the station on the LIRR Port Washington branch still carries the name Broadway. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jul 12 16:35:10 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by murray1575 on Sun Jul 12 15:30:03 2026. And the surrounding neighborhood is still known as Broadway-Flushing. To eliminate the multiple identical street names, the city rationalized those in Queens between 1915 and 1926 replacing most with number thoroughfares. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jul 13 11:30:44 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question Photo, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Jul 12 09:52:52 2026. "Brush your breath with Dentyne!"That was their ad campaign in the early 1980\s I believe. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Mon Jul 13 12:59:26 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jul 12 16:35:10 2026. The renaming process required streets to run north-south and avenues to run east-west. However boulevards could and did run in any direction. Therefore Lefferts Avenue became Lefferts Boulevard and Parsons Avenue became Parsons Boulevard and Bowne Avenue became Bowne Street. Whitestone Avenue was renamed as an extension of Union Street. |
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Posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Jul 13 13:38:40 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by murray1575 on Mon Jul 13 12:59:26 2026. Thank you for hijacking my query and running off with it.Now, does anyone know why the Corona Line had a station at Jackson Heights named Broadway years before Broadway existed there? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 13 15:04:29 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Jul 13 13:38:40 2026. Anticipation. In street naming plans for the future. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 13 18:45:09 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jul 13 15:04:29 2026. IAWTP. That is exactly it. The city maps already had Broadway extend to Elmhurst, they just hadn’t finished building it. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 13 23:49:02 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by qveensboro_plaza on Mon Jul 13 13:38:40 2026. I've had an account with historicmapworks.com for many years. They have some Belcher Hyde maps. These were the predecessor of today's Sanborn property maps.The 1908 map shows that Broadway extended from Queens Blvd to be to Woodside Ave. It can be recognized by the presence of the BRT trolley tracks. The 1915 map shows that Broadway had been extended a couple of blocks from Woodside Ave to Penfold Ave, which was also called 21st St. It also indicates an unbuilt extension to Polk Ave (1 block north of Roosevelt) where it stopped at the NY Connecting RR. It picked up on the other side of the RR and existed for a couple of blocks to 8th St. It was then mapped but not built to Jackson Ave (today's Northern Blv). One point is that the next Corona Line station after Broadway was 25th St. That was the original planned name for the 82nd St station. I have seen maps that showed the station marked as 25th St. It's pretty easy to navigate NYC from old maps. Queens is the exception. Nobody would recognize Queens from any map published before the 1930's. |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Tue Jul 14 06:13:29 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question, posted by Stephen Bauman on Mon Jul 13 23:49:02 2026. Stephen: I doubt than anyone would recognize Queens even from the photographs back in the day. There is one famous picture of the then new Corona elevated line running through what seems to be an wilderness. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 14 14:37:44 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question Photo, posted by Avid reader on Sun Jul 12 09:46:11 2026. What's cobalt 2? |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jul 14 20:28:16 2026, in response to Re: Corona and Astoria Lines Question Photo, posted by Avid reader on Sun Jul 12 10:03:38 2026. The "T-Zone" was a prominent marketing campaign used by Camel cigarettes in the 1940s and 1950s. The "T" stood for Taste and Throat, referring to the area covering a smoker's mouth and throat. The ads featured a block-letter "T" traced over a smoker's face, claiming that individual T-Zones were the only way to prove Camel's superior flavor and throat-friendly "mildness". (AI result in Google)I remember hearing these commercials listening to a recording of Abbott & Costello's "Who's on First". --Mark |
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