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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 19 16:55:02 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 19 15:28:17 2026. "Yes, terminating before age 55 can hurt your pension,"You just answered your own question. If your being fired, obviously there has to be a cause. When Terminated at Metro-North, you forfeit your pension, period (if you have a pension to begin with. Most employees nowadays have a 401K or some other retirement funds). But you will retain your RRT benefits. That's why when they want to get rid of you, in 99% of the cases I've seen, they give you the option to resign. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 19 18:01:50 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 19 16:55:02 2026. When Terminated at Metro-North, you forfeit your pensionThat is totally false. A vested pension cannot be terminated except maybe for the commission of a work-related crime. The worst that can happen is that you lose the special early retirement benefits that you would have been entitled to if you'd stuck it out to age 55 or some similar age. But that doesn't distinguish between quitting and being fired. I agree that maybe they told him that he would be fired if he didn't quit. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 19 21:13:18 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 19 18:01:50 2026. "...vested pension cannot be terminated except maybe for the commission of a work-related crime."Total nonsense. Committing a dismissal offense has nothing to do with being vested or not. Having one year or 20 years, if you get caught stealing, fighting on company time or property, substance abuse & insubordination, absenteeism are a few examples of what will get you fired. These were all worked out in various collective bargaining agreements agreed to over the years with all the unions. Those examples I cite (with the possible exception of stealing) are examples of a non "work related crime " I see you never worked in a union shop before. I was an assistant general chairman of one of the OT&E (other than train & engine) unions & I know of what I speak. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 05:22:11 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 19 21:13:18 2026. I see you never worked in a union shop before.People like him "look things up" on the computer (not official agreements and such where the wording is there and not for some random person to find the info) and go from there with his/her own assumptions.. I stopped replying to him and types like him a while ago here and online not worth my time. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 20 11:56:20 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 05:22:11 2026. I see your point. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 15:55:51 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 19 21:13:18 2026. You misread what I wrote.Of course you can have employment terminated for lots of stuff other than a crime. You can't have your pension terminated for anything other than a crime, and even then it's very rare. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 15:56:27 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 05:22:11 2026. He misread what I wrote.I was writing about pensions, not about possible causes of getting fired. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 15:59:33 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 19 21:13:18 2026. I see you never worked in a union shop before.In fact, I have. Over the course of my life I've been employed under a collective bargaining agreement as a dues-paying member of three different unions. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 17:48:39 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 15:56:27 2026. I was writing about pensions, not about possible causes of getting fired.If you aren't "vested" in the pension plan and get fired... You aren't getting a pension... So yes that can happen. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 20 17:54:54 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 15:55:51 2026. "You can't have your pension terminated for anything..."Thats just wrong. If the individual gets terminated the pension gets "terminated" (aka loses) with him/her. Also, With the railroad, you are considered "vested" after 10 years of continuous service. If you resign with less than 10 years, any pension funds that accrued will also be forfeited. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 20 17:55:22 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 15:59:33 2026. Fair enough |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Jan 20 17:57:42 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 17:48:39 2026. don't waste your time with al, he's hopelessly stupid. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 18:36:05 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 17:48:39 2026. If you aren't "vested" in the pension plan and get fired...Of course. But I was writing specifically about people who were vested in their pension. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 18:38:29 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 20 17:54:54 2026. Of course, if you lose your job, you don't get any future benefits. You also lose special things like improved early retirement benefits. I said all of that. And I also restricted my comments to those who are vested. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 19:03:44 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 18:36:05 2026. Ah ok i did not see that comment...Copy... Effing DimWit Chat.... |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 20 19:42:37 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Railman718 on Tue Jan 20 19:03:44 2026. No problem. :) |
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