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$182 million MNRR settlement |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Jan 12 20:22:50 2026 Follow-up to the SUV driven onto the tracks north of Valhalla |
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Re: $182 million MNRR settlement |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Jan 12 22:17:04 2026, in response to $182 million MNRR settlement, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 12 20:22:50 2026. The problem seems to be that the first car was full of wall street execs with lifetime earnings potentials over $150 million!We need caps on wrongful death liability or railroads should be allowed to refuse carriage to high net worth individuals. |
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Re: $182 million MNRR settlement |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 12 22:24:07 2026, in response to Re: $182 million MNRR settlement, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Jan 12 22:17:04 2026. No one should be refused service, but high net worth should be capped. |
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Re: $182 million MNRR settlement |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Jan 12 22:56:27 2026, in response to $182 million MNRR settlement, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 12 20:22:50 2026. $182Mil right out of the taxpayers pockets. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 12 23:08:01 2026, in response to $182 million MNRR settlement, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 12 20:22:50 2026. Meanwhile the engineer quit MN afterwards. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 00:09:28 2026, in response to $182 million MNRR settlement, posted by AlM on Mon Jan 12 20:22:50 2026. More tainted juries. Well, they are going to get raped via taxes when Metro-North has to close grade crossings because of one most-likely suicidal driver. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 13 03:26:42 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 00:09:28 2026. Apparently the MTA didn’t have expert witnesses that could have testified to the limited ability of high speed trains to stop even in emergencies. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 04:28:54 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 13 03:26:42 2026. Either that or the MTA's leadership didn't bother to consult them. |
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Re: $182 million MNRR settlement |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 13 06:12:12 2026, in response to Re: $182 million MNRR settlement, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jan 12 23:08:01 2026. how sad. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Jan 13 08:51:44 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 13 03:26:42 2026. It seems that the MTA hires lawyers right out of the Algonquin J. Calhoun School of Law |
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Re: $182 million MNRR settlement |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 15:32:42 2026, in response to Re: $182 million MNRR settlement, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 12 22:24:07 2026. I assume you are not just agreeing with the post you're responding to and actually advocating that excessive wealth be confiscated. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 13 15:52:54 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 00:09:28 2026. most-likely suicidalThe evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of her being stupid and panicky, not suicidal. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 15:58:10 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 13 03:26:42 2026. The engineer testified. Why wouldn't this be within his knowledge?They apparently had testimony that the train increased its speed approaching the crossing and that the engineer chose the horn over the brakes. The real problem is that people stopped on railroad crossings should be held strictly liable for all damages caused by such, unless some fault is found with the warning system. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 15:58:40 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 13 15:52:54 2026. Olog-hai lives a rich fantasy life. |
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Re: $182 million MNRR settlement |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 13 16:04:04 2026, in response to Re: $182 million MNRR settlement, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 15:32:42 2026. yes |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 13 16:40:52 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 13 15:58:10 2026. The engineer does seem to have acted imprudently, even according to his own testimony. I can understand not going into full emergency braking mode, with 0.15 g or more of deceleration, because that could injure a lot of passengers.* But why not apply the strongest regular application of brakes?But the driver of the SUV really must have been incredibly out of it. I've had my drivers license for 59 years now and in that entire time railroad tracks have instilled an incredible sense of caution in me. How hard is it to internalize the lesson of "never, ever, stop on a railroad track"? * Presumably also the reason NYCT subway cars don't have the track brakes that Stephen Bauman often touts. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 17:35:28 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 13 16:40:52 2026. "...because that could injure a lot of passengers.*"Not really. Where did you get that from? MN trains have gone into emergency stop mode before and it is very rare that someone gets hurt. An emergency stop is a controlled stop often with slip slide breaking kicking in as opposed to any type of automobile panic stop. The rare exception would be someone standing and falling. But that could happen in any "hard" stop. . |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 13 19:45:47 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 17:35:28 2026. Where did you get that from?Reading stories about train riders getting injured when trains made extremely hard stops. But if you believe the prudent approach should have been to go into full emergency braking, you are saying that you think that the train engineer was even more reckless than I think he was. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 20:18:46 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 13 19:45:47 2026. Judgement call. Going into emergency would not have made a difference in the final outcome. If it was deemed that it would have, the engineer most likely been fired and possibly indicted. Neither happened. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jan 13 20:44:01 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 20:18:46 2026. Going into emergency would not have made a difference in the final outcome.How do you know that? The energy of a collision goes with the square of the speed. So even reducing the speed from 55 to 40 would have cut the energy of the collision almost in half. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 21:08:07 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 13 20:44:01 2026. And that was brought out in the investigation? It gets physics technical here. There is a second or two time lag between the application of the emergency brakes v.s time of brake engagement and the distance traveled during that time lag based on train speed. Factor in the coefficient of friction on the wet rails ,& weight of the train and all that would determine the energy of the collision.This apparently was all worked out resulting in the clearing of the engineer. Get all that Mr. Baumann?? |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 21:30:02 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 21:08:07 2026. You'd think that after 201 years of powered railroading that the precedents would all be set and things like this would not even go to trial due to the decedent clearly having committed misdemeanor (if not felony) trespass on a railroad. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 22:41:38 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 21:30:02 2026. Truth. If she wasn't on the grade crossing in the first place...we know the rest. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 14 03:21:35 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Tue Jan 13 16:40:52 2026. Now that I have learned that the engineer did not apply full emergency brakes, I can see why the verdict went the way it did. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 14 05:44:56 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 17:35:28 2026. In RTO we are taught "Place the train in emergency"...Once its in emergency that shows you tired to stop the train the only way that is procedure possible in these cases... Once the train is in emergency that shows you "saw" a problem and did your Job the rest is up to fate... "Hard stops" depend on the speed of the train, the slower the speed the harder the stop when emergency braking is applied. Im guessing this somewhat applies in MNRR procedures as well and the Lawyer found that out.. Take this from Someone who has had to do that once... Once.... |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 14 14:53:36 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 14 03:21:35 2026. What would a full emergency application have done? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 14 17:56:42 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 14 14:53:36 2026. Slowed down the train to some unknown degree. The energy of the collision would have been less, possibly even much less. Whether that would have saved lives or not, no one can say for sure. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 14 19:21:09 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 14 03:21:35 2026. Speculation. If that was the case, that engineer would have been fired and possibly prosecuted. Neither happened. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 14 19:27:20 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 14 19:21:09 2026. Huh?What is speculation? According to the article, the engineer admitted to not braking right away, and not going into full emergency when he did brake. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 14 20:58:50 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 14 19:27:20 2026. But he was not deemed negligent, implying that weather or not he put the brakes into emergency, it did not have any effect on the outcome. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 14 21:05:24 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 14 20:58:50 2026. Oh . . . so a non-issue is being discussed. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 14 21:05:24 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 14 20:58:50 2026. Oh . . . so a non-issue is being discussed. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 15 11:20:43 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 14 20:58:50 2026. I didn't say there would have been a different outcome, just that we don't know if there might have been a different outcome.A civil jury found the MTA negligent, primarily because of the engineer's conduct and the design of the third rail. So implicitly they found the engineer negligent, whether rightly or wrongly. He was never found criminally negligent. That would have required a far greater standard of proof of recklessness than just "in the opinion of an expert witness, had he acted differently there might have been a different outcome." |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 15 12:23:27 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jan 14 21:05:24 2026. Basically. I'll never understand the amount of the settlement. I worked for MTA Metro North since Jan 1 1983 and their mentality is to hang the offender faster than to fix/solve the problem. They never hung the engineer involved as in publicly or privately assigning negligence since basically he didn't cause the accident. Any other "what if" speculation as to making a different outcome is just that...speculation. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 15 14:49:47 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 21:08:07 2026. Where was he cleared? The jury found him and the railroad liable for the injuries. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 15 14:51:52 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jan 13 21:30:02 2026. WTF! Seek help for your delusions.In any event, Brody wasn't the only defendant, so it would be irrelevant if she were negligent per se. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 15 14:52:06 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 22:41:38 2026. Not one kernel of truth. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 15 14:52:55 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Tue Jan 13 20:18:46 2026. And the jury found that he exercised poor judgment. A less forceful impact might not have resulted in an explosion. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 15 15:18:07 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jan 14 20:58:50 2026. He was literally deemed negligent. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 15 15:51:26 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 15 14:49:47 2026. Just by the fact that he wasn't fired or at least indicted for something like several counts of involuntary manslaughter. If I'm going to run a company and I have an employee by his/her mistakes or errors in judgement cost me millions of $$$, his/her ass is out on the street pronto. Didn't happen here. |
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Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jan 16 11:13:37 2026, in response to Re: $182 million Metro-North settlement, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jan 15 15:51:26 2026. They probably didn't want to fire him right away, because that would have been an admission that an MTA employee made a serious mistake. And then he quit long before the trial.As for criminal charges, there presumably simply wasn't enough evidence for a charge of criminally negligent homicide. None of which change the possibility, the truth of which we can never know, that if he had put the brakes into emergency as soon as possible, the toll might have been less. |
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