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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 16:52:41 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 12 15:29:10 2025. There could be round the clock freight service, all you need is customers. 24hr yardmaster coverage is still in place at Oak Pt. primarily for trains to/from Selkirk and whatever rail traffic is left for the Hunts Pt market. Any increase in handling local traffic would not be a problem. But most of the local businesses have either gone to truck or are out of business. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 17:13:50 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 16:52:41 2025. all you need is customersLI needs an intermodal terminal. For example, there is no reason produce should travel by truck the entire way from California to Long Island. Truck should only be for the first and last miles. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 17:15:35 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 12 14:12:01 2025. Freight can be limited to late night.Our highways are already clogged, and getting worse all the time. LI ought to be receiving multiple trainloads of containers each day. All that's needed are intermodal terminal facilities. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 17:16:40 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 13:40:05 2025. The 4th NY Connecting RR track was ripped up decades ago.A 4th track is easy to add to the bridge. A 5th track is not. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 17:17:52 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Italianstallion on Wed Nov 12 15:32:00 2025. I object to limiting freight to nights only for all future time.A bunch of intermodal terminals on LI would do a lot more for economic development than IBX to the Bronx. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 17:25:16 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 17:16:40 2025. Who said anything about a 5th track? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 17:36:28 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 17:13:50 2025. I agree. Back in the day, 10-20 reefer cars daily would go to Hunts Pt, mostly coming in from California. There would be a seasonal bump around Christmas time when a few carloads of Cristmans trees would come in. Anyone who worked out of Oal Pt would never have to buy a Christmas tree. In the Summer, it would be between 20 & 40 cars daily when the melons were running. The produce would then be shipped by truck to NYC & Long Island markets. That set up worked out for decades. I'm not sure what goes on there nowadays.Point being, an intermodal terminal on LI handling produce most likely will never happen. And Lets not forget those pesky NIMBYS. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 18:57:57 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 17:25:16 2025. I did.If 4 tracks get used for passengers, you either need to banish freight to late night or else install a 5th track. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 18:59:20 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 17:36:28 2025. an intermodal terminal on LI handling produceNot just handling produce of course. Handling all types of containers. And yes, the Nimbys are the big problem. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 12 19:46:25 2025, in response to Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 10 15:25:14 2025. Sounds like people fearing the value of their homes going down or those "not their kind" being able to come into the area more easily and cause unintended consequences for them. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 12 19:49:40 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Nov 11 20:28:09 2025. Didn't think of that one, but yeah.The probably fear developers coming in and "forcing" them to sell at "discount" rates to them. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 12 19:54:49 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Nov 12 07:03:33 2025. Exactly, especially with the SAS:That was needed regardless. They should really look at extending Phase 2 across 125 to 12th Avenue, including a provision to connect such to the 8th Avenue line at St. Nicholas if not now in the future. This also I'd include a provision to go into Bronx. probably via the former 3rd Avenue EL route. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 20:21:42 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 18:59:20 2025. Containers? Overpass raising issues, no? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 20:22:53 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 18:57:57 2025. 5th track on the Hell Gate?? Never happen. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 21:19:55 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 20:21:42 2025. Single stack only. LIRR third rail would block double stack containers anyway. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 21:20:51 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Nov 12 20:22:53 2025. That is exactly my point. And that is why I would oppose IBX going over the Hellgate Bridge. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed Nov 12 22:56:29 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 17:13:50 2025. Long Island had an intermodal facility at New Highway and Long Island Ave. in Farmingdale. It has been converted to a trash handling facility as the intermodal facility didn't work out. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 13 08:12:32 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Wed Nov 12 22:56:29 2025. Years ago the LIRR proposed a team track situation wheras all private sidings would be done away with and all freight would be sent to one location and trucked to local consignees from there. That too never happened. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 13 08:26:28 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Nov 12 14:12:01 2025. "Freight can be limited to late night."Thats how its done nowadays with rare exceptions. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Nov 13 08:39:24 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 12 19:49:40 2025. That sounds like block busting.I think those folks don’t want to be disturbed. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 13 09:33:11 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Stephen Bauman on Wed Nov 12 16:31:49 2025. How much does Basic Economics apply to MTA? Profit is hardly the primary motive (at least operationally speaking). It's clear to me from the way chaos and catastrophe (storms, Covid, etc.) are handled that moving the people is more important than collecting off them. (That's not to say I support free fares).I agree that most of Paris' planned extensions are outward and into transit "deserts." But I would just point out that the lines (except for the airport line) aren't totally radial. They have circumferential aspects. The idea isn't exclusively to catch more ridership but to give those riders flexible options. Taking a look at the general proposed network, it seems that no matter what people would always have a second in-network option to get somewhere if the first option fails. That to me suggests concern for the customer's time, not just an attempt to capture the most fares. An aside about Paris - it's the one and only city I'm glad the NIMBYs won. I think the world is better with Paris built as it is and it's good to have at least one global city keep the charm that Paris has. Montaparnasse Tower is an eyesore, though it may have been better off in La Defense. (Again. . .the one and only city. I don't think it should be replicated). |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Nov 13 11:02:37 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 13 08:12:32 2025. Actually there is such a facility beyond Ronkonkoma on Sills Rd. I believe that home depot and Lowes use the facility as a distribution ce ter. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Nov 13 11:02:39 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 13 08:12:32 2025. Actually there is such a facility beyond Ronkonkoma on Sills Rd. I believe that home depot and Lowes use the facility as a distribution ce ter. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Nov 13 11:23:10 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Nov 13 09:33:11 2025. How much does Basic Economics apply to MTA? Profit is hardly the primary motive (at least operationally speaking).Basic economics does apply to the questions of when, how and why to go into debt. Unless the reason for going into debt will cover the debt, you will have spiral of an ever increasing debt load that will eventually lead to some form of bankruptcy. (Sound familiar?) The idea isn't exclusively to catch more ridership but to give those riders flexible options. Taking a look at the general proposed network, it seems that no matter what people would always have a second in-network option to get somewhere if the first option fails I will occasionally defer to what I consider reliable sources in reaching my conclusions. In this case it was Bernard Cathelain, who is on the Board that oversees the design and construction program for the Grand Express project, as well as the industry, purchasing and environmental strategy functions. Here's what he had to say regarding the Grand Express purpose. https://youtu.be/OvvfM1euDNc?t=152 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 13 12:31:54 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 17:15:35 2025. Yes, I agree. However, the 5 Families will make sure that doesn't happen. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 13 12:33:34 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 12 19:46:25 2025. I don't blame them! |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Nov 13 13:38:49 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Nov 13 11:02:37 2025. Interesting. I wonder how many loads they get per month, say?. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 13 14:16:31 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Nov 13 12:33:34 2025. I do blame them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 13 14:17:03 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Nov 12 19:46:25 2025. Because they’re idiots. The value of their homes would go up, not down. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 13 16:47:04 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Nov 11 10:54:12 2025. Anyway, your proposed alternative seems intriguing to me and I agree it would be better.One problem with extending subways to new areas is the lack of ROW, this has a ROW. Like how many billions of dollars would a subway extension under Hillside cost? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 14 00:25:46 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Nov 11 10:51:26 2025. Rubbish. When it's the government, they need to stay out of such things anyway. And NIMBYs are an invention of government; look a little deeper and it would be some kind of government backing behind them. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 14 00:26:13 2025, in response to Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 10 15:25:14 2025. "IBX" sounds like a treatment for loose bowels, not a transit line. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 14 03:33:38 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 13 14:16:31 2025. I'm thinking more along the lines of overcrowding, parking getting fucked up, houses being unattainable for the next generation, unless inherited, affordable apartments, etc... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 10:59:30 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Nov 14 03:33:38 2025. Upzoning causes more housing to be attainable, not less.What's wrong with affordable apartment? Unless you mean "affordable," in that case yes. "Inclusive zoning" is bad. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 16:37:42 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Nov 10 15:41:04 2025. I don't live in the affected areas of New York where the IBX is proposed to operate, however I can understand their point with over development.I live is a part of Brooklyn that have witnessed tremendous development since the year 2000. I have seen two family frame houses replaced by three story condominiums with twelve to sixteen living units. Eben brick house construction have fallen to the demolition crews with a six story twelve living units, and only six parking spaces. Development in New York tends to be typically for the politically connected, so rezoning can take place if the community doesn't stay alert to quiet proposals to change development rules in a community. There are many arguments for and against building the IBX rail connection, and a point of view. Truthfully, only individuals on this social medium that live in New York City can truthfully comment. Out of towers not affected, regardless of the passion for rapid transit, really don't have any weight in the IBX argument. In the end, its all about money. Money for developers regardless of their outward political affiliation. Conservative of progressive, its capitalism, make a buck, is still at the core of over development, and MTA contracts that never end on time. The IBX doesn't have my vote if there were a plebiscite. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 16:39:26 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 11 03:46:28 2025. The only NIMBY's 100 years ago were cows, and farmland |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 16:53:05 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 16:37:42 2025. Yes, it's about money. So what?If the IBX causes property values to go up near the stations, such that small houses are replaced by more expensive multiple dwellings, then the city's property tax revenue goes up, which is good. The only issue I would have with this is if those buildings get tax abatements for "affordable housing." Of course I only support market-rate development across the board. The parking thing is a good point. The YIMBY movement wants to eliminate "parking minimums", but often they're necessary. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 16:56:19 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 16:39:26 2025. There were still NIMBYs back then, they just didn't have enough power. We need to go back to that. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 17:14:54 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 13 16:47:04 2025. The proposed IBX RoW is be severely constricted because of the narrow corridor on the original New York Connecting Railroad (NYCRR) RoW north of Fresh Pond Road.The NYCR, a joint venture of the Pennsylvania & New Haven Railroads, was intended to permit freight originating in New Jersey avoid the long car float move from the Pennsy RR in Greenville NJ to the New Haven in the Bronx. That being said, the NH did not have a franchise to deliver freight in the area where the NYCRR RoW passes in Queens, and along the LIRR RoW in Brooklyn. The LIRR delivered freight south of Fresh Pond Yard. The Bay Ridge branch of the LIRR (Proposed IBX) is a wider RoW in many of its locations, with sidings along the route. Thus the NYCRR RoW between Fresh Pond, and at a point it meets the RoW from Penn Station is limited to two tracks, with little to no additional space for added track. Because of the limited width of the NYCRR RoW, the original IBX design called for street running in the vicinity of Metropolitan Avenue , Mount Olive Cemeteries. A later design change now calls for the construction of a tunnel parallel the the NYCRR RoW to eliminate IBX street running. The final cost of building the IBX will certainly balloon past the $5B price tag of today, guaranteeing multiple change orders to the base MTA IBX contract. I also question the argument regarding passenger utilization, and operating costs. If anything, a bus RoW would be more economical to construct, operate, and maintain and allow existing Brooklyn & Queens bus networks the ability to use a IBX bus-way to speedup existing routes, and help create new bus routes. An application that is being considered heavily by the MTA to resurrect the former SIRT North Shore line RoW into a bus-way. I am among the last to argue against mass transit, however building the IBX at its final cost to the public to benefit private development with the great potential of changing the character of a neighborhood is short sighted. Just ride the Astoria Elevated line and look at how development has created a valley of high rise buildings that emulate the upper East side of Manhattan. Unless you live here in New York, you will never understand how the quality of life suffers. Sorry Foamers, not in my back yard. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 17:16:47 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Nov 11 17:50:50 2025. TriBoro RX is a transit Foamers dream. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 17:26:56 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by AlM on Wed Nov 12 17:17:52 2025. "I object to limiting freight to nights only for all future time." "A bunch of inter modal terminals on LI would do a lot more for economic development than IBX to the Bronx." Objections or not, its not going to be your call. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 17:36:59 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 16:56:19 2025. NYC was an empty wasteland at the turn of the last century, and Rapid transit helped fill up the open spaces that existed then. Today's situation is vastly different. NIMBY's look at their own situation, and their rights should be respected, just as your rights should be respected. Most here criticize Robert Moses for what he accomplished, and did not allow to be accomplished. However how would you like an elevated express highway built right next to your suburban house. This assumes that you live in a multi story apartment building in a dense environment. Even better, a Cross-Bronx Expressway next to your apartment window, if such. So its all relative. I don't care for development at the taxpayers expense. The little traffic that potentially be carried by an IBX would not justify its construction in the technical manner proposed. As stated, a bus-way would be more beneficial, and not have the impact of a rail line that is essentially a Brooklyn-Queens Shuttle line. |
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Posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 17:48:53 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 16:53:05 2025. Yes. Money. Public tax money to indirectly support the private interests of real estate developers.One only needs to look at the many casualties of MTA capital construction plans. Disaster because the MTA spends someone else.s money. A symptom of socialism, unfortunately. I suspect that you may not have a good picture with how the MTA does business with contractors. Unfortunately I do, first hand. Driven by the state, and driven by private interests to utilize public money to benefit developers, and contractors that understand intimately the weaknesses of the MTA. 1. 3/4% sales tax 2. $20.00 annual MCDT fee on all passenger vehicle registrations, and non-commercial operator licenses when residing in an are served with MTA services. Pro-rated for non NYC residents 3. MTA surcharges on telecommunication services 4. Taxes to the NY (Wall Street) financial industry 5. Should I forget, a congestion pricing toll, even at 1 AM. So no, I don't believe that the MTA should spend my hard earned tax dollars on something that has no significant value, and potentially benefit developers at the cost of quality of life. No. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Nov 14 17:50:18 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 16:53:05 2025. speaking as a non driver...parking spaces close to transit stops are less justified.yes, money talks... but, making more travel patterns possible should lessen the supposed need for autos or parking. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 17:55:54 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 17:48:53 2025. Real estate developers pay that tax money and the existing property owners benefit from the increased property values.The MTA is rife with problems but it's essentially impossible to have non-socialized construction of public transportation infrastructure. Even the original IRT was built by the city even if they had a private operator operate the built product. That was a better model than what we have now, though. I disagree with you that this wouldn't have significant value. I also disagree about this harming QOL. Better transit improves QOL. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 17:59:19 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Nov 14 17:50:18 2025. The problem is that by not building parking, the drivers will park on the street and take over the spaces used by current residents or visitors, an obvious negative externality. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Nov 14 18:01:46 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 17:36:59 2025. Disagree about the utility of INX. As I have said several times, more travel options are inherently better. Specifically, linking Brooklyn, Queens, the Bronx so as not to have to go first either to downtown Brooklyn or Manhattan, should make trips easier. Given appropriate Penn Station Access transfers to both the subway and LIRR should make trips to JFK better.As to YIMBY v NIMBY, as long as population increases, they have to live somewhere. refusing to build housing generates persons in tents/camping on the subway. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Nov 14 18:05:09 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 17:59:19 2025. Personal autos need to decrease, full stop. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Nov 14 18:10:11 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 17:14:54 2025. You make good points about the costs and the benefit, but I just want to say one thing in response: I DGAF about changing "neighborhood character." I know that it might sound hypocritical to want this for someone else's neighborhood, but I can put myself in these other people's shoes: If someone proposed a subway station in my quiet residential neighborhood, I absolutely would go to the public meetings to speak out in favor of it, and every single resulting upzoning. If your land is valuable to a developer and you don't like the new "neighborhood character," sell your house and enjoy the profit. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Nov 14 18:14:22 2025, in response to Re: Middle Village and Maspeth NIMBYs come out to oppose IBX, posted by Handbrake on Fri Nov 14 17:14:54 2025. "Thus the NYCRR RoW between Fresh Pond, and at a point it meets the RoW from Penn Station is limited to two tracks, with little to no additional space for added track."Certain sections of the NYCRR north of Fresh Pond are wide enough for four tracks as seen by the several local street overpasses north of Queens Blvd in anticipation of added traffic that never happened. |
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