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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Jan 10 13:58:27 2022, in response to PATH to install new fare system, posted by Allan on Mon Jan 10 13:55:04 2022. Article from Nov, 15, 2021Linked |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 10 15:42:24 2022, in response to PATH to install new fare system, posted by Allan on Mon Jan 10 13:55:04 2022. IINM PATH(the PA) is governed by a board appointed by the two governors. Maybe it is time to simply relace all of the NYS members w/ MTA board members to enforce more cooperation between the two entities. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jan 10 20:50:08 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jan 10 15:42:24 2022. That isn't such a bad idea and ought to be workable. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 11 12:14:10 2022, in response to PATH to install new fare system, posted by Allan on Mon Jan 10 13:55:04 2022. But they seem to want to be compatible with MTA. “When the new system is operational, customers of both PATH and the MTA will be able to use their phones, credit or debit cards for both systems to travel between New York and New Jersey.” |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Jan 11 12:37:02 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 11 12:14:10 2022. They talk about phones, debit and credit cards.But it would appear that OMNY may not be accepted on PATH. I would imagine that the new PATH card won't be accepted on the subway/buses in NYC. |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Jan 11 12:40:23 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jan 10 20:50:08 2022. It wouldn't work - the chairman of PANYNJ is chosen by the Governor of NJ so NJ has the final say.Ever notice that work done by the PA tends to favor NJ rather than NY. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 11 13:19:54 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 11 12:14:10 2022. Maybe it will be like WMATA Smartrip and the Maryland MTA Charmcard. I think they are inter-operable. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jan 11 13:34:27 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 11 12:40:23 2022. So THAT'S why you pay to leave NJ on the bridges & tunnels but don't pay to enter NJ :)--Mark |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 11 13:35:08 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 11 12:37:02 2022. I think more like their repsective cards will inter-operable on a pay per ride basis like now with MAetrocard. Although on PATH, you buy a number or rides on their Smartlink, not fora specific money amount, anda quantity discount.The Montreal OPUS card is also good on Qeuebc's buses, though the fares are kept separate, as is EXO's and STM. The cards can handle 4 different transit accounts. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 11 14:17:52 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Tue Jan 11 13:34:27 2022. And it’s not just PANYNJ facilities. All of the Delaware River crossings are like that, they are run by various agencies. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 11 14:19:46 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Joe V on Tue Jan 11 13:35:08 2022. The use of standard credit/debit cards at turnstiles is much more useful for interoperability than coordinating on proprietary fare media. If you force out of towners to buy a special card for 1-2 rides, they’ll just take an Uber. |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Jan 11 14:35:29 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 11 14:17:52 2022. There is a similar arrangement between NJ and Pennsylvania called the Delaware River Port Authority.It operates 4 bridges between the 2 states as well as a ferry and the PATCO system. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_River_Port_Authority http://www.drpa.org/ |
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Posted by Allan on Tue Jan 11 14:40:05 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 11 14:19:46 2022. But it can be trickier to offer unlimited passes or other fare programs when not using a proprietary card. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 11 14:54:44 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 11 14:35:29 2022. They also have the DRJTBC for the bridges north of the Betsy Ross Bridge (except the turnpike bridge).And the DRBA for Bidenland-NJ. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 11 14:55:25 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Allan on Tue Jan 11 14:40:05 2022. Capping. London does it. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 11 15:22:12 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 11 14:55:25 2022. I hope, and am working in my home territory to push for, a major change in how we approach transit funding, service levels, and fares. It is long past time to move toward lower, and more universal fares. For comparison to how rider hostile some systems are, vist BART or WMATA's online fare information and compare what a trip costs for mileages that would be within the 5 boros thus a single fare. (And neither of them offer unlimited use passes. MTA led the way when the Metrocards were implemented. Others need to follow. Given that PATH and MTA mostly are tax revenue supported services, the idea that a trip from for instance 72nd & 2nd to Hoboken should cost 2 fares, while 72nd to Coney Island or Brooklyn College only one. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 11 16:36:49 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 11 14:54:44 2022. They also have the DRJTBC for the bridges north of the Betsy Ross Bridge (except the turnpike bridge).Small correction - the Delaware River Joint Toll Bridge Commission covers bridges from Trenton on north. The Tacony-Palymra and Burlington-Bristol bridges are run by the Burlington County Bridge Commission. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jan 11 16:40:22 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 11 16:36:49 2022. Thanks! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Tue Jan 11 23:59:05 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Jan 11 15:22:12 2022. there will never be a single transit fare payment system in the tri-state region. and there shouldn't be. it's a dumb idea. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 12 00:21:05 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by ntrainride on Tue Jan 11 23:59:05 2022. So why is interstate travel between NJ/NYS/Conn different from for instance commuting from MD through DC to NoVa? Clearly WMATA (although at gouging fares) at least does offer service. Most simply, I believe the old political boundaries are obsolete given where people choose to live, find work, attend events. "New York" sports teams play in NJ, the PA runs airports in 2 states, around DC, 2 airports are in NoVa, but if you are in some MD suburbs, Thurgood Marshall is easier to access. Few of us care which color the vehicles or operator uniforms are; we just want to go somewhere--easily, reliably, and if possible cheaply.Unification of the larger agencies is just a larger version of "unifying" the IRT, BMT, aIND,MABSTOA. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 12 06:50:40 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 11 12:14:10 2022. Both accepting phones/credit cards wouldn't necessarily mean they want to be compatible, any more than a supermarket is trying to be compatible with a movie theater just because they both accept American Express. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 12 10:18:55 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by ntrainride on Tue Jan 11 23:59:05 2022. Why not ? Why is it "dumb" ? |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Wed Jan 12 10:19:49 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 12 00:21:05 2022. Hear, hear. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Jan 12 10:58:53 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 12 10:18:55 2022. added complexity for no good reason. it ain't broke. so why fix it? also, most riders of any system travel within the boundaries of their systwm. super majority of people getting on the j train at flushing avenue aren't looking to go to harrison, new jersey. super majority of riders from mount kisko aren't looking to go to merrick road in seaford.etc., etc., etc. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Jan 12 13:14:16 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by ntrainride on Wed Jan 12 10:58:53 2022. Those are not valid excuses. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 12 13:42:24 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Italianstallion on Tue Jan 11 12:14:10 2022. What is really needed is a universal card valid on the MTA (New York), PATH, (NY-NJ), all of NJ Transit, the PATCO line (NJ-PA) and SEPTA (PA):Such a system would really help given the number of people who travel between New York and New Jersey as well as Philly and New Jersey and also (using SEPTA and NJ Transit) Philly and New York. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 12 13:48:45 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 12 13:42:24 2022. No, we don’t need the universal pass to extend to SEPTA or DRPA, although NJT would basically have to accept both kinds of passes. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 12 18:04:56 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 12 13:48:45 2022. It might be no different from EZ pass as used for motor vehicles. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jan 12 18:09:01 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by randyo on Wed Jan 12 18:04:56 2022. That’s what OMNY-style direct credit card usage is for. There is no need for a transit card for that.Even without that, there’s less of a use case for having the same transit card in different cities vs. toll tags. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 13 09:07:37 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Jan 12 13:42:24 2022. Why? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu Jan 13 23:12:33 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Jan 12 00:21:05 2022. those are all in the same city. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Jan 14 04:23:58 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jan 13 23:12:33 2022. which? The history BTW, around DC aswith many other cities is separate streetcar lines, and commuter services on mainlines which slowlymerged creating interstate operations since allpart of a bi-state plus Federal District joint operation. VRE and MARC tried a brief joint ticketing system but I don't believe it survived. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 07:21:16 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by ntrainride on Thu Jan 13 23:12:33 2022. So what ? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Jan 14 11:55:31 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 07:21:16 2022. he posted:"Unification of the larger agencies is just a larger version of "unifying" the IRT, BMT, aIND,MABSTOA." as i guess defense of merging multi-state transit fare collection practices. that analogy isn't valid because the greater city formed around the railroad lines. so by the twentieth century it was all within the boundaries of one city. not similar at all to having transit agencies in three states all use the same fare payment system. it sounds like a good thing but you should understand that actually implementing it would be almost impossible. like i couldn't see suffolk transit going for such a scheme. too technical and too troublesome to use. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Jan 14 12:18:11 2022, in response to Re: PATH to install new fare system, posted by ntrainride on Fri Jan 14 11:55:31 2022. Suffolk Transit is a long ways from NYC and has no inter-agency travel.PATH and NYCTA do and they are right on top of each other. Do not confuse incompetence with "impossible". It is done in other Metro areas, regardless of political boundaries. |
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