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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Mar 5 07:24:29 2021 Tuscarora Almanac - March 5, 1941 - The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Board of Transportation BMT Division The three- section articulated train known as the "Bluebird" begins service today on the BMT No. 2 Fourth Avenue Line. The five production units are numbered 8001-8005. They were preceded by the first “Bluebird” No. 8000. She could not MU with the other cars and ran as a single unit. Source: NYD Bulletin May 1995, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - March 5, 1944 - The Book of Last Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Board of Transportation BMT Division The operation of BMT Division elevated trains across the Brooklyn Bridge comes to an end today. Service is also discontinued on the Erie Basin trolley line (Rt.28) Source: New York Division Bulletins / January 1982 & March 1994 / articles by Mr. Edward B. Watson Tuscarora Almanac - March 5, 1984 - The Book of Last Runs Westchester County, New York Metro-North Railroad The Thornwood Station on the Harlem Line is closed. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Mar 5 10:31:57 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Mar 5 07:24:29 2021. Thornwood was too close to Pleasantville to make much sense and never had significant ridership. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 11:54:14 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Mar 5 10:31:57 2021. IIRC Closing Thornwood coincided with 3d rail extension to Brewster North |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 12:55:13 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 11:54:14 2021. Timing seems right. Was Thornwood a low platform? |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 13:23:11 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 5 12:55:13 2021. Yes. |
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[PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 5 16:36:27 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Mar 5 07:24:29 2021.  Weehawken, New Jersey  Interior View)  Queensboro Plaza 
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 5 16:53:58 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Mar 5 07:24:29 2021. The last train over the Brooklyn Bridge left at about 12 Noon, that Sunday. It was a 5 car gate train for the Lexington Ave Line. About 200 people rode over the bridge. Right after the train left Bridge St, at 12:08PM, railroad ties were bolted in place over the tracks at the west end of the platform, to embargo service. Demolition began on the following day, Monday, March 6th, 1944. |
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Posted by Q4 on Fri Mar 5 17:46:55 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 5 16:36:27 2021. Thanks for these. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 17:55:18 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 13:23:11 2021. So they would have had to build a high platform in order to allow the new electric rolling stock to stop there. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Mar 5 18:26:47 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by AlM on Fri Mar 5 17:55:18 2021. Correct. But the ridership at that station didn't justify the expense, so we were told. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Fri Mar 5 19:24:09 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 5 16:36:27 2021. Great photos of a New York City subway car that I never rode at all. They were all gone one year before I was born.However, looking at some research and documentation, the BMT Bluebird was supposed to have this fancy modern air cooling filtration system installed and used in the cars themselves. Upon noticing this image from the collection of nycsubway.org, as well as a color snapshot in the latest New York City Subways Calendar, I spotted in each photo an interior view with R-10 style fans later placed inside there. BMT Bluebird Interior, Photo by Frank Pfuhler, September 13, 1954.  OK, for those that are knowledgeable about this model of subway car, what necessitate them to have this additional feature (i.e. the fans) put there during their service life. By the way, thanks for posting and sharing these vintage images here. -William A. Padron ["BMT Lines"] |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 5 20:34:58 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Mar 5 07:24:29 2021. Although Bluebird 8000 supposedly had no drawheads to enable it to MU with the rest of the Bluebirds, how come there is a photo of it in Jim Greller’s book clearly showing an H drawhead complete with electric portion? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 5 22:22:15 2021, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Mar 5 07:24:29 2021. Thank you, as always. It's my understanding that demolition of the Myrtle Structure south and west of Bridge-Jay Street began minutes after the last train cleared the structure. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Mar 5 23:05:46 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 5 22:22:15 2021. The end of all the Bkln els closes to the Bkln Br was railroad NORTH!!!!! |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5- Addendum |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 5 23:37:19 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5- Addendum, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Mar 5 16:53:58 2021. Yes, I've heard that as well. I heard they did the same thing immediately (literally immediately) after the last Fan Trip on the Jamaica Line in 1977. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5- Addendum |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Mar 6 07:38:07 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5- Addendum, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 5 23:37:19 2021. Main: Here is the entry from "The Book of Last Runs". Note the added information about the post abandonment fantrips. Tuscarora Almanac - September 10-11, 1977 - The Book of Last Runs Jamaica, New York New York City Transit Authority – BMT Division This will be the last night of service on the section of the BMT Jamaica Line between 168 Street and Queens Boulevard. The last northbound "J" train arrived at 168 Street at 11:59 PM. The consist was (n) R-27 8028-9 and R-30 8528-9. The last southbound "J" train departed at 12:00 Midnight with (s) R-27 8241-0 and 8115-4. The stations at 168 Street, 160 Street and Sutphin Boulevard were closed. A new temporary terminal was established at Queens Boulevard. Free transfers are issued at Queens Boulevard to and from the Q-49 Jamaica Avenue Limited bus route. There were two post-abandonment fantrips on Sunday, September 11, 1977. The first trip used “D” Types while the second used the “B” Types; 2390-1-2. Source: New York Division Bulletin / September 1977 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5 |
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Posted by Mr RT on Sat Mar 6 09:33:34 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 5 16:36:27 2021. Some rare shots ... thanks Bill ! |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Mar 6 10:34:21 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 5 16:36:27 2021. where was the last shot taken? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 13:30:11 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Mar 5 22:22:15 2021. Not likely! The only Sunday demolition that I am aware of was on the 5th Ave el. That was done because the road underneath had to be closed and traffic detoured. Back then, most businesses were closed on Sunday, so traffic was lighter. Besides, the first stage of el demolition was the removal of conduits and cables. You did not have to close the street beneath it for that! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 13:51:06 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 13:30:11 2021. That 5th Ave demolition over Atlantic Ave was on Sunday, Oct 26th, 1941. Due to its heavy traffic, Mon-Sat, Atlantic Ave was shut down on that Sunday. |
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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5- Addendum |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 6 14:47:15 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5- Addendum, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Mar 6 07:38:07 2021. Thank you :) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 6 14:49:37 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 13:30:11 2021. Maybe that's the work that started right away? Besides, with the war on at the time, they were probably eager to get at the metal ASAP. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Mar 6 15:24:11 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 5 16:36:27 2021. Great shots! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 15:32:14 2021, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by MainR3664 on Sat Mar 6 14:49:37 2021. If they did start preliminary demolition on Sunday, 03/05,1944, it was because of a shortage available manpower during WWII. Perhaps, they were available, so they got started a day early. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 6 17:03:12 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Mar 6 10:34:21 2021. where was the last shot taken?Queensboro Plaza. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat Mar 6 17:44:03 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Mar 6 17:03:12 2021. tanks |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 19:58:10 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 5 16:36:27 2021. Were the Bluebirds ever used on the Fulton St el? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Mar 7 00:59:09 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Mar 6 19:58:10 2021. There are a couple of photos of the first unit 8000 in various locations on the Fulton St el but it was probably not in regular service but ran as a special the way the SOAC ran on the NYCTA in the 1970s. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Mar 7 01:01:35 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 5 16:36:27 2021. Thanks Bill. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Mar 7 01:33:31 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by randyo on Sun Mar 7 00:59:09 2021. SOAC....I forgot about that thing.I never saw it myself, but a few folks I know did. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 7 07:09:06 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Mar 7 01:33:31 2021. These are the only images of BMT Bluebird #8000 seen operating on the Fulton Street Line.111th Street[Greenwood Avenue]-Liberty Avenue (Queens), April 20, 1939.  Tompkins Avenue-Fulton Street (Brooklyn), N/D.  Flatbush Avenue-Fulton Street (Brooklyn), N/D.  Sands Street[near Brooklyn Bridge](Brooklyn), March 29, 1939.  And about SOAC, here is one image of them (of many though)... 59th Street-Columbus Circle (Manhattan), IND 8th Avenue Line, July 1974.  -William A. Padron ["BMT Lines"] |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Sun Mar 7 09:03:54 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 7 07:09:06 2021. What a super set of fotos! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Mar 7 12:56:18 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 7 07:09:06 2021. Thank you for these photos. I remember seeing the Bluebirds in a pic over Pitkin Ave, like the first photo. |
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Posted by trains61 on Sun Mar 7 12:57:25 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 7 07:09:06 2021. Family's church steeple in the background in the Tompkins Ave photo. Trainmaster Jones went there. Thanks for posting.The Lurkers' Guild First AME Zion/ Boy Scout Troop 219 |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Mar 7 13:30:07 2021, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Mar 5 16:36:27 2021. NICE SHOTS |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 7 23:53:49 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 7 07:09:06 2021. I love those sections of the Fulton that got rebuilt during the Dual Contracts. It shows what could've been. I would have loved railfnning all over the City on the various Els..But in the end, building the IND and having good access to Manhattan from Fulton was probably the best solution. Ashland place would've put yet more trains through De Kalb. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Mar 8 16:39:56 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Mar 7 23:53:49 2021. The newly formed (1923) BMT took a look at the Ashland Place project and decided not to participate in it. Besides having to rebuild older elevated sections, install tracks and equipment, it would have had to buy 200 steel subway cars for $40 million. This car order would have been in addition to the Triplexes and Standard trailers that they had ordered. The BMT quietly backed out of the project in 1926. Ironically, Mayor Hylan had left office on Dec 31st, 1925. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Mon Mar 8 19:25:11 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 7 07:09:06 2021. Wish I had know about SOAC, as I was in Brooklyn in July 1974 (recently returned from 3 years in Illinois). But no internet back then, and if it was in the newspaper, I didn't read it (albeit back then, I would read the Daily News only for the sports, and in the summer, the centerfold in case they posted a pic of babes in bikinis) 🙂 |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Mar 9 00:20:24 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by William A. Padron on Sun Mar 7 07:09:06 2021. What's the gantry structure on the left side of this photo? Looks like there's a similar one on the right. Both look like they're meant to follow the track. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Mar 9 07:34:07 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by K. Trout on Tue Mar 9 00:20:24 2021. Could that possibly be the end of a line near a Ferry slip? |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 9 08:08:50 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by K. Trout on Tue Mar 9 00:20:24 2021. Possibly, the overhead support for the streetcar electric wires needed for operation to cross the bridge. Both elevated trains and them used it, and transit operation began on the bridge way back then with cable operated rail cars.-William A. Padron ["Sands Street"] |
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Posted by K. Trout on Tue Mar 9 11:51:47 2021, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 5, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Mar 9 08:08:50 2021. That makes sense. I didn't realize that streetcars also would have had to pass through Sands St but in retrospect it makes sense that it was the direct route to the bridge tracks. |
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