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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Oct 18 09:04:20 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Oct 17 21:09:22 2020. DIDN`T JOIN UNTILL 1971.I DO KNOW ABOUT ASHLAND PL. BUT NOT IT GREAT DETAIL.I WAS REFERING TO THE IND CONNECTION INTO ASLAND PL. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Oct 18 09:09:26 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 17 05:02:22 2020. It isn't that huge a problem. All they would need to do is convert the Hudson Terminal stub to a 2 side platform station. It practically has 1 side platform now, so all they would need to do was switch 1 track with the center platform. They might have even been able to keep the stairs on that side. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Oct 18 09:12:09 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 18 08:11:21 2020. Yeah, they sold pork dumplings, among other things. They were a bit more elaborate than the usual Chinatown dumpling place, so they charged a little extra. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Oct 18 09:24:09 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Oct 16 13:45:01 2020. Depends. What would attract businesses there? Midtown has a "critical mass" of all kinds of businesses and services, including easy transportation to the surrounding suburbs. Transportation to and from downtown Brooklyn and the suburbs is not nearly as convenient, even if we're talking about the LIRR. Also, how many new office buildings are going up? That's not to say downtown Brooklyn is being ignored - far from it. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun Oct 18 17:13:58 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Oct 18 08:55:59 2020. Proposals- yes, but I have never seen any plans to modify the old LIRR tunnel for bigger subway cars. Like you, it's too old (built in 1844) and most of it would have to be replaced and updated (like you, too!). |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Oct 19 14:13:48 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by 3-9 on Sun Oct 18 09:09:26 2020. The "side platform" runs only about half a train length, then ramps up to join the station mezzanine. And it has multiple staircases to the street along its length. I don't think it would have been doable. It certainly isn't now. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Oct 19 14:26:32 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sat Oct 17 21:09:22 2020. See page 3 in the June 1969 Bulletin.--Mark |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 19 15:44:00 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by VictorM on Sat Oct 17 08:13:01 2020. A subway at-grade junction, north of Cortlandt St would be a potential disaster. That's why the BMT connection to Cortland St would have been severed, south of City Hall, under that proposal. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Mon Oct 19 16:09:03 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Oct 19 14:26:32 2020. thanks for posting this,very interesting. |
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Posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 19 16:16:28 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 19 15:44:00 2020. It all depends on precise timing (2 BMT trains going through the junction followed 2 minutes later by 2 IND trains, etc.), which the MTA is not too good at. It does seem to work at 145 & Lenox. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 19 16:18:32 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Oct 19 14:26:32 2020. This was not all Hylan's fault. The first paragraph of page 5 should have included the fact that, in 1926, the newly formed BMT did not want to spend $40 million to purchase 200 new steel subway cars. They would have been needed for this Fulton subway/elevated project. In addition, the BMT would also have to rebuild and equip the old elevated above Fulton St. I was unaware of the never-used steelwork from the American Bridge Co. Perhaps, the bill for that bill from American Steel was a factor for the BMT backing out of the deal. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 19 16:29:15 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by VictorM on Mon Oct 19 16:16:28 2020. I was thinking more about rush-hour train headways. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Oct 19 17:41:21 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by Dyre Dan on Mon Oct 19 14:13:48 2020. Those staircases aren't an issue, just put them outside of fare control. You can also skew the "downtown" platform to avoid the ramp. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 20 02:18:00 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Oct 19 14:26:32 2020. Much of that information is consistent with many posts I have made over the years on this subject. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Oct 20 02:19:50 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Oct 19 15:44:00 2020. That’s exactly what would have happened. One of the occasions when the Independent system would have completely taken over a BMT property. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Oct 20 04:06:23 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] Re: Park Row & Sands St. - Fare Control Areas, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Oct 19 14:26:32 2020. Borgaschmord trains were everywhere, it seems. |
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