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Posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 12 10:22:01 2020 Thoughts?Return? I once seen a YouTube video that reported during the 1977 blackout, subway service ran 65%, if cleaning is really an issue couldn’t a modified service plan be implemented with newer (or bring back old operations that worked) line patterns to improve what has been the standard overnight service? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 12 12:19:19 2020, in response to NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 12 10:22:01 2020. Cleaning=cleaning out the homeless. It has nothing to do with cleaning of the inanimate surfaces of the cars and stations, at least not primarily. |
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Posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 12 13:26:09 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 12 12:19:19 2020. That shouldn’t impede commuters though. |
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Posted by JRR4 on Sat Sep 12 19:15:57 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 12 12:19:19 2020. Speaking of the homeless and the subway, I'm planning on my annual rail-fanning trip to NYC later this year and really don't want to stay in one of these hotels that has been turned into a temporary homeless shelter. Is there a list somewhere? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 12 23:26:38 2020, in response to NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 12 10:22:01 2020. It comes back when Cuomo say so, despite him pushing it off by decisions made by state agencies. |
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Posted by davesgcr on Sun Sep 13 14:59:40 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 12 23:26:38 2020. London , of course, has abandoned the Night Tube (and probably will not see it back for the foreseeable future) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Sep 13 19:42:57 2020, in response to NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 12 10:22:01 2020. As Spider-Pig says, it's about the homeless. The actual train cleaning can be done while trains are stopped in terminals, or in the yards for the vast majority of trains which are laid up overnight.If they want to continue clearing out the homeless, then shut down the system for one hour overnight, say between 3 and 4 a.m. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Sep 14 11:05:26 2020, in response to NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 12 10:22:01 2020. For those that get out of work after 1p that are not "essential" it has been a long trek home.They have even stopped the $2.75 Uber trips for those needing more than two buses. I had to get home one night and took me 2.5 hours just missing my connecting bus. 25 minute trip on the subway from downtown brooklyn to Homecrest. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 14 13:46:17 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 12 13:26:09 2020. There is no other way besides closing the subway for at least a period of time. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Sep 14 14:55:51 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 14 13:46:17 2020. Sure there is, but the will most be there to clear the way.Change the ACLU-driven court rulings about vagrancy, stop leaving the mentally ill on the streets, restore a version of civil commitment, etc. Anyone here remember NYC is the '50s? (I don't). Were there riots, homeless/addicts s--ting on the trains? I wasn't there, but I strongly suspect not. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 14 15:02:03 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Sep 14 14:55:51 2020. I disagree with you about the "ACLU-driven court rulings about vagrancy." The old vagrancy laws were arbitrarily and unfairly applied. A man with long hair who fell asleep on the train (while using it for legit transport) could be deemed a vagrant and arrested. Hell, these rules were broad enough that they could be applied to anyone.There were a lot of other shitty things about the 50s, and yes, there were addicts, but almost certainly fewer as I am fairly certain the 60s-70s saw a major rise in drug use. I think that's the major difference. Another thing was the closure of mental hospitals. These people are NOT capable of caring for themselves like typical adults. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Mon Sep 14 15:36:33 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 14 15:02:03 2020. "The old vagrancy laws were arbitrarily and unfairly applied."I do not doubt the old laws were sometimes abused, although in the '50s there were rather few men with long hair. Even the Beatniks did not so arrange themselves. But, simply because the old law plus the nature of things led to abuses doesn't mean we have to give up and let chaos rule. There's always a segment of society who does wan chaos and will make a considerable effort to bring it about. We don't have to give up and let them win. Write new laws which are a harder to abuse (all laws will be abused somewhere by someone, if they can get away with it) yet still broad enough require people to respect public life. Or we can let chaos happen, then run blameshifting and more "activism" to fix what the first 2 rounds of activism broke. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 14 16:14:47 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by JRR4 on Sat Sep 12 19:15:57 2020. Go to hotels.com. Take a look at the NYC Hilton Gardens Inn on W33rd St. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 14 16:20:22 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 12 12:19:19 2020. Cleaning=cleaning out the homeless. Why not kill two birds with one stone? Make the 1AM-5AM closing a permanent thing. Start up express and local services at 5AM for those who need to get to work early. |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Sep 14 16:49:32 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 14 16:20:22 2020. Isn’t that when it starts currently? |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Sep 14 20:06:37 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 14 16:20:22 2020. Unlike many other cities, NY is a 24 hour city with work hours so varied that it basically has to reopen on a 24/7 basis after the crisis is over. Why should law abiding citizens be punished because of the failure of the governments to do their jobs and enforce the laws reasonably? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Sep 14 20:10:02 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 14 20:06:37 2020. Spot on. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Sep 14 20:46:35 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Sep 14 20:10:02 2020. I'll second that!:) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 15 00:40:50 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 14 20:06:37 2020. I agree!I have used the subway many times after midnight leaving music venues. New York is a 24 hours city!! New York City - Best of the Best!!! :) |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Sep 15 06:44:38 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Sep 14 16:20:22 2020. Nah |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Sep 15 07:32:48 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Express Rider on Tue Sep 15 00:40:50 2020. Also, if I recall, service is still operating as normal just without passengers. Considering the amount of workforce as well, it should be back soon. Definitely music venuesare key, I went to Barclays Center and the majority of the train back to Manhattan were attendees of the concert, most of the train was singing - an amazing ride! A question does raise though, does anyone know how costly is it to operate OPTO during those times? Is there a special rate on top of the similar night differential? Thinking that may be one argument of the agency. Eliminate OPTO & the 3 to 42nd, possibly extend the Bx99 and B99 to cover the 5 & A and streamline the rest of the lines being the B, C, W, and Z do not operate. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Sep 15 11:11:10 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Sep 12 12:19:19 2020. You can thank the Supreme Court, which ruled many years ago that vagrancy cannot be a crime. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 15 12:11:37 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by BusRider on Mon Sep 14 16:49:32 2020. The "A" starts as an express at 5AM? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 15 12:20:23 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by randyo on Mon Sep 14 20:06:37 2020. Like re-opening the bars at 4AM? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 15 12:21:45 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 15 12:20:23 2020. Restoring the 4AM bar closing, you mean? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Sep 15 14:01:09 2020, in response to NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by BusRider on Sat Sep 12 10:22:01 2020. Owl service on the subway hasn't returned yet? |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Sep 15 15:35:07 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Sep 15 12:11:37 2020. I’m not sure , would have to review a timetable. I figured it did when OPTO ends, I could be wrong. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 15 21:31:03 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by BusRider on Tue Sep 15 15:35:07 2020. What OPTO? THE A runs OPTO on the Rock Park shuttles only.The 1-5 AM non passenger trains have the conductor in the first car to open a door for police and transit personnel. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 15 21:32:09 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Sep 15 14:01:09 2020. Still no passengers carried. |
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Posted by BusRider on Tue Sep 15 22:01:10 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 15 21:31:03 2020. I didn’t mean currently, I meant in general pre-COVID. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Sep 16 01:32:38 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 15 21:31:03 2020. Isn’t the midnight Euclid to Lefferts Shuttle also OPTO? |
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Posted by BusRider on Wed Sep 16 09:48:18 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 16 01:32:38 2020. I was referring to that service, I didn’t think of the Rockaway Shuttle being its not a mainline service. My post is referenced to the Dyre OPTO, Lefferts OPTO, and the M shuttle if it still exists. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Sep 16 10:33:17 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 16 01:32:38 2020. Yes. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 17:42:12 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Steamdriven on Mon Sep 14 15:36:33 2020. People who stink unbearably should be considered a public health hazard and removed from the public for safety reasons. If quarantines of everyone due to a deadly illness are fine, then quarantines of individuals whose hygiene poses a threat to others should also be fine. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 16 18:51:22 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 17:42:12 2020. Where do you put them ? |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Sep 16 19:36:55 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 16 17:42:12 2020. The smell may be terrible, but it doesn't rise to the level of a health threat. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Sep 17 00:12:04 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by pragmatist on Wed Sep 16 19:36:55 2020. It certainly does. The foul smell is indicative of a multitude of underlying physical conditions which can be spread on the seats and handholds of the subway cars and buses and transmitted to unsuspecting passengers. If the covid germs can be spread by asymptomatic persons not wearing masks, then the various germs causing the smells can also spread a variety of diseases! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Sep 17 01:00:26 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 17 00:12:04 2020. iawtp |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 17 08:11:10 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 17 00:12:04 2020. Non-Covid germs can be nasty too, like skin infections that require antibiotics. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Thu Sep 17 10:37:05 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by randyo on Thu Sep 17 00:12:04 2020. IATWP!! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Sep 17 11:20:31 2020, in response to Re: NYC Overnight Subway Service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 15 21:32:09 2020. Sad. |
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