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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 15 06:16:49 2019 Tuscarora Almanac - November 15, 1870 - The Book of Last Runs Manhattan, New York West Side & Yonkers Railway Company Service is discontinued on the original cable-hauled 9th Avenue El. The cable had been subject to frequent breakdowns and the company was unable to meet its financial obligations. Tuscarora Almanac - November 15, 1917 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Interborough Rapid Transit Company 151st Station on the 9th Avenue El opens. This will be the last new station to open on the original section of the el. Tuscarora Almanac – November 15, 1931 – The Book of First Runs Norristown, Pennsylvania Philadelphia & Western Railroad The famous Brill “Bullets”interurban cars begin service on the P & W Norristown. The Bullets were all built in 1931 and are numbered 200-209. Car 203 was destroyed in 1933 and a replacement car with the same number entered service in 1934. Source: “Red Arrow Lines in Color” (Morning Sun Books / 2014) by Mr. Douglas E. Peters Tuscarora Almanac – November 15, 1956 – The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Transit Authority BMT Division The five-section articulated units known as the “Multis” are placed in service on the No. 10 Myrtle Avenue-Chambers Street Line. Source: New York Division Bulletin /October 1966, article by Mr. Bernard Linder Tuscarora Almanac - November 15, 1960 - The Book of First Runs Brooklyn, New York New York City Transit Authority BMT Division The first train of R-27’s entered service today on BMT Rt. QT Broadway-Brighton Local via Tunnel (BMT Rt. 1). It left from Prospect Park as a passenger special. It ran nonstop to Chambers Street via the bridge and then via the tunnel to Lawrence Street. It then made all local stops to Coney Island and entered regular service later in the day. The consist was 8027-6, 8025-4, 8021-0 and 8028-9. New York Division Bulletin /November 1960 Tuscarora Almanac - November 15, 1962 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York New York City Transit Authority IRT Division The lower level express platforms at the 59th Street Station of the IRT Lexington Avenue Line open today. A train of the brand new Redbirds was on hand and carried passengers to Bowling Green Station. On or about this date the first of the R-33 Redbirds begins regular service on the No. 1 Broadway - 7th Avenue Local. Source: New York Division Bulletin / December 1962 Tuscarora Almanac – November 15, 1971 – The Book of First Runs Eight R-1/9’s have been repainted and overhauled for use on the museum trains. The numbers are 100, 103, 381, 484, 800, 1208 and 1440. 1802 is in the shops for similar treatment. Source: New York Division Bulletin / December 1971 Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 15 07:41:29 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 15 06:16:49 2019. Thank you, as always.Regarding the 151 St Station on the 9th Ave El- it lived for not even 23 years. I've said before and will again- it's really sad how much work done in the Dual Contract era had such a short life. |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Fri Nov 15 10:36:08 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 15 06:16:49 2019. I was on my way home from school (Stuyvesant HS in Manhattan to home in the Sheepshead Bay area of Brooklyn) on Nov. 15, 1960 and got to ride on the R-27s on the QT-Brighton Local on the first day of service. The advertising cards were not all in place yet on the train. Big mystery of the day - what is a "QT". Prior to the R-27s, letters were only used on the IND. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Nov 15 12:29:39 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by BMT Standard on Fri Nov 15 10:36:08 2019. Fortunately the side sign didn't simply read "Broadway Local". |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 15 14:53:33 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by BMT Standard on Fri Nov 15 10:36:08 2019. BMT: It always good to hear from someone who has personal experience of these events. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 15 16:22:11 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Nov 15 07:41:29 2019. I could never figure out why they built 151 St station that late. It was only 4 blocks from the 155 St one. Ditto for 38St/6Av, three years previously. By 1917, trains were 6 or 7 cars during peak hours. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Nov 15 18:09:42 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Nov 15 12:29:39 2019. The complete elimination of the BMT Southern Div branch lines didn’t take place till the R-32s. The Eastern Div was a different story since for some inane reason, the names Bway Bkln, Jamaica and Myrtle were not used but the JJ, J/JJ and M signs simply read Nassau St either Lcl or Exp as appropriate. Pre R-27, the only BMT line that used only its Manhattan route in its name was the 14 St Line. Considering the way the BMT routes were configured, I never could understand why the word “Bway” was included on the side signs since with the exception of the Sea Beach Line and earlier the Culver, all the Southern Div routes had services to both Bway and Nassau St. When the branch line names were eliminated from the R-32s and up the so called rationale for it was that since the other divisions didn’t include the branch lines on their signs, why should the BMT? Even though it was pointed out that the BMT was the only division that had multiple branches with a common terminal the cesspool of incompetence that passed for TA planning didn’t seem to care. It’s only recently that the TA has opted to include the branch lines on the signs of the R-46s, NTTs and earlier the retrofitted signs of the R-32s through 38s before they were scrapped. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 16 10:05:40 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by BMT Standard on Fri Nov 15 10:36:08 2019. I'm sure that, "What's an N? What's a T? What's a Q," were heard frequently at first. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 16 10:06:44 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Nov 15 12:29:39 2019. "Broadway-Brighton Local via Tunnel." Everything you needed to know. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 16 10:17:32 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Fri Nov 15 06:16:49 2019. And seven of those old timers are still alive and well. A pity 1208 was scrapped out of spite. |
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Posted by gbs on Sat Nov 16 21:53:04 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Nov 16 10:05:40 2019. They posted now-iconic signs all over the BMT, "Know Your Trains at a Glance", that explained which routes went with which letters. Of course back then there were double-lettered line too, so it had Q, QB, and QT, and both T and TT (but only N and RR). |
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Posted by BMT Standard on Sat Nov 16 22:06:04 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by gbs on Sat Nov 16 21:53:04 2019. The "Know Your Trains at a Glance" signs came a few years later, after the R-32s were introduced. On the R-32 roll signs, the names of the Southern division lines no longer appeared. They were:N: Broadway Express Q: Broadway Express QB: Broadway Local via Bridge QT: Broadway Local via Tunnel RR: Broadway Local T: Broadway express The lone exception was TT: West End Local |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Nov 17 15:38:32 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by gbs on Sat Nov 16 21:53:04 2019. I saw one of those signs on a support beam at Times Square mezz.Even had an "M" code. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Nov 18 16:27:07 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by BMT Standard on Sat Nov 16 22:06:04 2019. 
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Nov 18 17:47:58 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Nov 18 16:27:07 2019. I wonder why they didn't include the Eastern (Canarsie & Jamaica) lines in the lettering? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 18 18:18:22 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Nov 18 17:47:58 2019. This probably came out with the R27's in 1960. Nothing higher than the numeric R16 signs would be seen on the Eastern Division until Nov 1967.M - Nassau St Express - obviously intended for the Myrtle-Chambers train, but used for the Brighton-Nassau service (should have been "QN" ?), though one would have no idea from which of 4 Brooklyn branches the train ran on. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Nov 18 18:42:23 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Mon Nov 18 17:47:58 2019. I wonder why they didn't include the Eastern (Canarsie & Jamaica) lines in the lettering?R-16's still had the old route numbers. The A-B's and Q Types didn't have route number signs. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 18 21:24:47 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Nov 18 16:27:07 2019. I have one of those signs in my garage and remember seeing one at Whitehall St. on June 18, 1967. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Nov 19 06:37:19 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 18 21:24:47 2019. I have one of those signs in my garage and remember seeing one at Whitehall St. on June 18, 1967.This was a scan of a decal that was probably pasted to the token booth. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 19 07:28:42 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 15 16:22:11 2019. My guess would be that some local politician demanded it. That it didn't amke operation sense was irrelevant to his political considerations. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 19 16:44:29 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 19 07:28:42 2019. I know that the 38th St station, on the 6th Ave el, was opened in 1914, after pressure form the local businesses. There was really nothing at 151st St to merit a station. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Nov 19 17:42:11 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 19 16:44:29 2019. I know that the 38th St station, on the 6th Ave el, was opened in 1914, after pressure form the local businesses.And that's also why the 6th Ave IND has that long, now disused passageway from 34th to 42nd. Building a stop at 38th would have made no sense, so instead there was an entrance at 38th to placate the merchants. It entered onto the passageway. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 19 17:45:55 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 18 18:18:22 2019. As I mentioned in my other post the J/JJ, KK, L, LL, (some of the R-27/30s had readings for both a 14 St Lcl and Exp) and M which were intended for use on the Eastern but not used until post Chrystie. All the Eastern readings except for the LL were Manhattan centric and read only “Nassau St” completely ignoring the branch line readings even on the 27/30s which still kept the branch readings for the Southern. I recall one afternoon in early 1967, the Jamaica Line was short a train and a spare train of R-32s was available and brought up from CIYd by a board crew to cover the interval. I was anxious to see what sort of signage was going to be displayed and was disappointed to see that the signs displayed “Q/Broadway Exp” rather than J. Apparently it never occurred to anyone in CIYd to check for a more appropriate reading especially since they had to have been aware of the existence of a J reading when changing signs to get to the M reading that was in use at the time. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 19 21:04:57 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Nov 19 06:37:19 2019. IIRC those signs were prominently displayed on all Southern Division station platforms. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 19 21:14:10 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 19 17:45:55 2019. Oops! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Nov 20 06:46:12 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Nov 15 16:22:11 2019. 
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 20 06:58:02 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Nov 20 06:46:12 2019. Thank You for sharing this. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Nov 20 13:49:03 2019, in response to [PHOTO] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 15, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Nov 20 06:46:12 2019. Nice! |
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