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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 07:58:09 2019 Tuscarora Almanac - November 3, 1873 - The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York New York Elevated Railroad Company The Houston Street Station on the 9th Avenue El opens. Tuscarora Almanac – November 3, 1956 – The Book of First and Last Runs Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Philadelphia Transportation Company Route 2–15th Street–Glenwood Avenue is converted from trolley to bus operation. Peter Witt car 8373 will make the final run. Source: “Philadelphia Trolleys in Color” , Volume II, (Morning Sun Books /1998) by Mr. William D. Volkmer Tuscarora Almanac – November 3, 1963 – The Book of Last Runs Baltimore, Maryland Baltimore Transit Company Service is discontinued on the last two streetcar lines; Rt.8 Catonsville-Towson and Rt. 15 Walbrook-Overlea. Ed. Note: Light rail service returned to Baltimore on April 3, 1992. Source: New York Division Bulletin /November 1998 Tuscarora Almanac – November 3, 1963 – The Book of Last Runs Beacon, New York New York State Bridge Authority Two Hundred and twenty years of ferry service between Newburgh and Beacon comes to an end today when the ferryboats DUTCHESS and ORANGE make their final runs a little after 5 PM. The Newburgh – Beacon Bridge (current north span) had opened the day before. The New York State Bridge Authority which operated both the ferry and the bridge issued special tickets for the last day that would permit a round trip across the river using the bridge in one direction and the ferry in the other. Three ferryboats were active at the end. DUTCHESS and ORANGE were the regular service boats while BEACON was the spare boat. DUTCHESS and ORANGE were built right next door to the Newburgh Ferry Terminal at the Thomas S Marvel Shipyard in 1910 and 1914 respectively. BEACON was built in 1921 as the LIEUTENANT FLAHERTY for service in Boston Harbor. She came to the Hudson in 1938. The DUTCHESS and BEACON were towed downriver to Witte’s Marine Yard of Staten Island for scrapping. The half sunk remains of the DUTCHESS can still be seen. (2016) The Orange was purchased by a Myles Rosenthal and placed into a service on the East River between Whitehall Street and the World’s Fair Marina in Flushing Bay. She made only one trip on April 17, 1964 and was then laid up before being scrapped in 1965. Source: “The Boats We Rode” by Franklin B. Roberts and John Gillespie (Quadrant Press / 1974). “Steamboats on the Hudson River” by William H. Ewen Jr. (Arcadia Publishing / 2011) Tuscarora Almanac - November 3, 1969 - The Book of Last Runs Bronx, New York New York City Transit Authority IRT Division This is the last day of operation of pre-WWII cars on the IRT #8 3rd Avenue El in The Bronx. The last train made one trip in the AM rush. (N) Steinway Motor Car 5641 (ACF-1925) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5670 (St Louis-1938) Low-Voltage Trailer Car 5353 (Pullman-1922) Steinway Motor Car 5636 (ACF-1925) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5676 (St Louis-1938) .This train and two others were in service on October 18, 1969. No 1 World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5679 (St Louis-1938) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5684 (St Louis-1938) Low-Voltage Trailer Car 5340 (Pullman-1922) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5658 (St Louis-1938) Low-Voltage Motor Car 5466 (ACF -1924) No 2 World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5669 (St Louis-1938) Low-Voltage Motor Car 5483 (ACF –1924) Low-Voltage Trailer Car 5356 (Pullman-1922) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5666 (St Louis-1938) World’s Fair-Steinway Motor Car 5655 (St Louis-1938) Source: New York Division Bulletin / December 1969 Tuscarora Almanac – November 3, 1980 – The Book of First Runs Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority Kawasaki single ended LRV No. 9000 enters services on the Center City subway light rail lines. Source: “Philadelphia Trolleys in Color”, Volume II, (Morning Sun Books /1998) by Mr. William D. Volkmer Tuscarora Almanac - November 3, 2003 - The Book of Last Runs Willets Point, Queens, New York New York City Transit Authority IRT Division The last train of IRT Redbirds ran in service today as a #7 Flushing Local from Times Square to Willets Point. The train ran as an extra making all local stops. The consist was (N) 9564-5, 9309, 9582-3, 9584-5, 9617-6, 9587-6. 9309 is an R-33 (World’s Fair) and the rest are R-36 (World’s Fair). When they were first delivered in 1964 they were painted blue and white and were known as Bluebirds. Among those attending that day was myself, Mark Feinman, John S, Christopher Rivera, Bill Newkirk, BillBklyn, Bill from Maspeth, Subwayman, Wakefield -241st Street, 3-9 and Terrepin Station, Lord Vader. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 3 08:18:54 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 07:58:09 2019. I rode on that last Redbird set a few weeks before while in the city. 9316 was the single. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 10:49:53 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 3 08:18:54 2019. I rode on that last Redbird set a few weeks before while in the city. 9316 was the single. Several of use took a very long lunch hour that day to make the last run. It was something that we had to do. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Nov 3 12:39:52 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 10:49:53 2019. I was also on that trip along with a well known transit colleague.It was a truly nostalgic ride. |
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[PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3 |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 3 14:01:32 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 07:58:09 2019.    
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Posted by Express Rider on Sun Nov 3 14:59:26 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 07:58:09 2019. So I was lucky about timing - rode Steinways and Lo-Vs on the 3rd ave. el, summer 1969, and took a few black and white photos. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 15:25:30 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by northshore on Sun Nov 3 12:39:52 2019. I will add your name to the list. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Nov 3 16:23:14 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 15:25:30 2019. Thank you! |
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Posted by W.B. on Sun Nov 3 16:47:48 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 07:58:09 2019. Interesting how the last of the 'Redbirds' were retired on the exact same day, except 34 years apart, as the last of the pre-war IRT cars. And all relating to the same route on original service. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 16:53:44 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by W.B. on Sun Nov 3 16:47:48 2019. Interesting how the last of the 'Redbirds' were retired on the exact same day, except 34 years apart, as the last of the pre-war IRT cars. And all relating to the same route on original service. I think that more then chance was involved. The Redbirds were worthy successors to the mighty Lo-V's. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 3 18:10:12 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 3 14:01:32 2019. Birds.... |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 3 22:49:55 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Nov 3 08:18:54 2019. And on that Queens-bound train, I was at the railfan window with you. You had a Mets jacket on. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Nov 4 13:38:41 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 10:49:53 2019. IAWTP!!!--Mark |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 4 18:31:11 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Nov 3 22:49:55 2019. Yep, sure did. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Nov 5 03:27:27 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 4 18:31:11 2019. The train was pretty empty as I recall. |
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When the Redbirds were Blue.... |
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Posted by gbs on Tue Nov 5 04:15:28 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 07:58:09 2019.    Thanks as always to nycsubway.org |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 5 04:40:44 2019, in response to When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by gbs on Tue Nov 5 04:15:28 2019. Thanks for posting those photos! |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 5 05:44:20 2019, in response to When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by gbs on Tue Nov 5 04:15:28 2019. Excellent photos! Thanks for posting - brings back memories!This was an absolutely striking livery. Completely different from anything else at the time. It's really too bad they painted them red later on. They should have been kept washed and clean with their original colors throughout their service lives. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Nov 5 06:22:03 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 5 05:44:20 2019. That light blue /white paint scheme was great! Very eye catching, for sure! |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 5 08:13:25 2019, in response to When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by gbs on Tue Nov 5 04:15:28 2019. As I recall, the tunnels under the East river of the Flushing Line were WHITE WASHED for the Worlds Fair.Does anyone, I mean anyone also share this memory? If so, any idea how long before the wash was covered over? |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 5 09:53:22 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 5 05:44:20 2019. Thanks for posting those photos. I too love that livery and also wish they had kept it instead of painting them red. |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Tue Nov 5 10:03:40 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 5 08:13:25 2019. As I recall, the tunnels under the East river of the Flushing Line were WHITE WASHED for the Worlds Fair.Does anyone, I mean anyone also share this memory? Well, since you wrote "anyone" I thought that I'd crawl out from under my rock and and second your recollection. I'm not certain how long it remained white but believe that it outlasted the second season of the fair. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Nov 5 11:49:24 2019, in response to When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by gbs on Tue Nov 5 04:15:28 2019. Those were nice - I like the color and the TA logo. However, my favorite colors (I do not know the spec names) of this equipment are as follows:1. Fllat, dark green 2. Redbird livery 3. Flat gray 4. Blue 5. White This is my opinion and as such it is fact. Express Rider and Q4 are wrong and need to redact or retract one of those things their respective posts. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 5 12:54:32 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by X-Astorian on Tue Nov 5 10:03:40 2019. I would imagine the white faded away thanks to subway grime. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 5 12:56:30 2019, in response to When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by gbs on Tue Nov 5 04:15:28 2019. I suppose transit decided to paint over the best factory paint ever because they were covered with graffiti.Cleaning them would simply be more labor intensive. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 5 13:10:05 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by cortelyounext on Tue Nov 5 11:49:24 2019. There were red cars before there were red-birds.Bluebirds were prewar Clark equipment that ran for a time on the BMT before being melted down into airplanes. I did not think that any of the R36 Blue cars ever became redbirds. I think that it was only ML cars that were mad into redbirds. But of course, I could be wrong. What the heck. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 5 13:15:29 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 5 12:56:30 2019. Yes, that could be. Those cars, when covered with graffittee looked just sad; one more piece of how the TA let everything go during the 80s. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Nov 5 13:42:39 2019, in response to When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by gbs on Tue Nov 5 04:15:28 2019. THEY WERE SO BEAUTIFULAND STRONG |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 5 13:58:52 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 5 13:10:05 2019. Lion, in this case you are wrong. Read the last entry of the Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, which is the post that began this thread."The last train of IRT Redbirds ran in service today as a #7 Flushing Local from Times Square to Willets Point. The train ran as an extra making all local stops. The consist was (N) 9564-5, 9309, 9582-3, 9584-5, 9617-6, 9587-6. 9309 is an R-33 (World’s Fair) and the rest are R-36 (World’s Fair). When they were first delivered in 1964 they were painted blue and white and were known as Bluebirds." |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 5 14:01:57 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 5 09:53:22 2019. Yes, they should have been kept in their original colors. The R-10's too! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Nov 5 14:08:21 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 3 14:01:32 2019. Cool! |
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Posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 5 14:14:24 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Express Rider on Tue Nov 5 13:15:29 2019. But TA had previously painted some R-10's in the Bluebird color scheme sometimes in the 60's (I remember going somewhere with my mother as a young child in the late 60's or early 70's and riding one heading up Central Park West, which we rarely ever took). |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Nov 5 15:06:59 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun Nov 3 07:58:09 2019. Thanks. I missed the last Redbird run- I didn't know when it would occur. But as I knew the end was coming, I got one last revenue ride myself, on 10/6/03.Right through November and December of 2003, I saw evening scrap moves of Redbirds on the Broadway BMT (8th Street) , around 19:30 - 20:00. One pair at a time sped through the station on the Brooklyn-bound express track. I guess they crossed to the BMT at Queensboro Plaza, and somewhere near De Kalb Avenue, crossed over to the 6th Avenue IND, then switch to the 8th Ave IND at West 4th, for the final run to 207th. That's my guess, anyway. I suppose it's entirely possible that some or all of them may have gone all the way to Coney Island and laid over for a few hours or days before the trip of doom to 207th. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 5 15:22:07 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by X-Astorian on Tue Nov 5 10:03:40 2019. Now I'm curious why I have Never saw it mentioned here.Shirley there must be more then we two concerned for the mundane. Who first said "Hey guy's, lets white wash the tunnel for the tourists!" "They'll spend more money!" |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Nov 5 17:11:06 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 3 14:01:32 2019. THANK YOU FOR THESE WONDERFUL PHOTOS |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 5 18:24:26 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 5 13:58:52 2019. Lion still has doubts.... There were R-36 MLs and R-36 WFsI think that all of the WFs were gonne because of body rot before Red Birds appeared. The WF cars were never called 'Blue Birds' because the 'birds' did not appear until later. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 5 18:25:58 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 5 14:14:24 2019. Yes, I remember those. Have photo of same on my calendar : ) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 5 19:02:17 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for November 3, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Nov 5 03:27:27 2019. I caught that set every day that week. Even made a few round trips one day, moving through the cars from end to end - back when you could still do so. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 5 19:03:29 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Elkeeper on Tue Nov 5 14:01:57 2019. The R-10 racing stripe scheme was the best ever. I remember it well. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 5 19:04:23 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Avid Reader on Tue Nov 5 15:22:07 2019. I hear Tom Sawyer volunteered to do the job.:) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 5 19:06:18 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 5 14:14:24 2019. The entire R-190 fleet got the racing stripe scheme followed by the half-and-half paint job, as I like to call it. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 5 19:06:28 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 5 14:14:24 2019. The entire R-10 fleet got the racing stripe scheme followed by the half-and-half paint job, as I like to call it. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 5 19:18:30 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 5 19:03:29 2019. The TR-10 racing stripe scheme was basically the same as on the R-36 WFs. It wasn’t necessarily the redbird scheme that loused up the paint scheme on the R-36s so much as the desire of the MTA to paint all its rolling stock to look like a cheap imitation of the R-42s 44s and 46s. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Nov 5 19:28:06 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 5 18:24:26 2019. The R-33 singles and the WF R-36s eventually were all painted in the fox red paint scheme although as I mentioned in my other post, when the MTA took over, it decided to paint all its rolling stock in the platinum mist and blue scheme which didn’t last too long due to graffiti. The Redbird program started back in the 1980s under David Gunn and was used on all LAHT cars with the exception of 10 mainline R-33s and the GOHed R-10s which were done in green. In the interim, a few IRT cars both mainline and Flushing were done in an all white paint scheme supposedly to make it easier for the yardmasters to spot a graffitied car and get it washed right away, but that didn’t work too well. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 5 23:35:45 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by randyo on Tue Nov 5 19:28:06 2019. A few mainline cars?Most of the IRT fleet was painted that horrible white with black trim. Some R16 even received that before going to the chopping block. |
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Posted by gbs on Wed Nov 6 01:15:11 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Q4 on Tue Nov 5 14:14:24 2019.       
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 6 07:48:20 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by randyo on Tue Nov 5 19:28:06 2019. I think I may be the only person besides Ronan himself who actually likes the gray and blue stripe MTA paint scheme. Too bad the cars were vandalized so badly just as the paint scheme came out. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Nov 6 09:36:01 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 5 13:10:05 2019. PROFF !!!!
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Nov 6 10:22:38 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by MainR3664 on Wed Nov 6 07:48:20 2019. I never liked the gray-blue scheme out on the railroad, but I must admit they look rather sharp on my HO layout.ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Nov 6 10:30:52 2019, in response to Re: When the Redbirds were Blue...., posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Nov 6 09:36:01 2019. Can't Argue with da proff.RAOR |
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