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Posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 18 19:36:33 2019, in response to Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jul 18 18:36:29 2019. ...Because they can't? |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 19 03:06:22 2019, in response to Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jul 18 18:36:29 2019. i agree with this.chud1 |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 19 04:07:26 2019, in response to Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jul 18 18:36:29 2019. +1 LION |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 04:21:36 2019, in response to Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jul 18 18:36:29 2019. cause by law they can not strike, and if they did they could get penalized at 3 days pay for each day on strike. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 19 05:00:48 2019, in response to Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jul 18 18:36:29 2019. Are you saying the police are not fully investigating these two assaults? |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Fri Jul 19 05:22:20 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 19 05:00:48 2019. Mta workers should be protesting the progressive politicians push to close rikers island . It’s a failed attempt to end putting people in jail for committing crimes .People are committing violent crimes and are getting released pending trial. The state senate and assembly are pushing a bail reform law which basically eliminates bail and being locked up before trial . It is just going to get worse for mta workers . Many are friends and family. Scary The progressive wing spent a fortune pushing out moderate democrats in state government . |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 05:45:41 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Brightonr68 on Fri Jul 19 05:22:20 2019. This is what conservatives really want: people being locked up without trial. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jul 19 06:07:09 2019, in response to Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jul 18 18:36:29 2019. Come election time, the TWU brass will fall right in line with the same politicians you are bemoaning, with their slogans of "Justice" and "Equity". Start voting more pro-working class, pro-law and order, pro-common sense politicians in the Dem primary and maybe this will get clamped down onEventually, there will be two left wings. One a working class, union, moderate wing and other socially leftist, identity politics, academic one. |
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Posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jul 19 06:09:36 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 05:45:41 2019. I'd go for putting monitoring ankle bands on those in discovery/pre-trial phase. We'll know where they are and can find them come trial time. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 19 06:17:07 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Brightonr68 on Fri Jul 19 05:22:20 2019. So the police are vigorously investigating.Has anyone been caught assaulting a transit worker and then let off really easily? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 06:57:53 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by shiznit1987 on Fri Jul 19 06:09:36 2019. If they’re enough of a flight risk but not enough to remand. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Jul 19 07:00:40 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 19 06:17:07 2019. What do you consider really easily? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 08:57:34 2019, in response to Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jul 18 18:36:29 2019. So you want a wildcat strike (illegal per NY State law) and service to grind to a halt, creating more chaos? |
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Posted by Joe on Fri Jul 19 09:38:59 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 19 08:57:34 2019. For years I belonged to a union subject to the various modifications of the Taylor Law. Only once did we strike, then for a single day. The people we served were thoroughly angry at the strike. Sorry, even Mike Quill did not earn sympathy for his strikes. In many areas where the public is severely affected, strikes are counter-productive.--- Also, I must distinguish between assaults (punches, spitting, knifing) and marijuana busts and fare evasion. Assaults must be punished severely. The other foul behavior has to be seen in light of other factors, as Prohibition taught the U.S. --- Sutphin/Archer is where I paid my subway fare entering the city over the past few decades. I was aware of two opposing factors: 1) the creeps that hang out trying to "help" the unwary. And 2) the police who might entrap by motioning me to enter an emergency gate (never happened), but I distrust a system that has deniable quotas. When the turnstile stole a fare from me, I used a second card rather than risk encounter with police. It's that quota problem that troubles SI express bus riders per another thread. --- Message: Don't strike, but protest assaults like hell. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 19 12:08:51 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 05:45:41 2019. Actually, the LION (speaking for himself) is in favor of corporal punishment. There is no reason to lock up petty shit, occupy jail space for such scum when they are only going to get out in a few days.Pretrial holding? may be necessary for some, I guess a judge gets to decide that. They should streamline that: If the defendant has no lawyer, a defense council could be ready in the court room (like an emergency doctor in the ER) and the case could be expedited and sentence pronounced all on the first visit. Five to twenty five lashes (depending only or previous convictions) administered by a court appointed sheriff using specified tools in a specified manner. Then kick the perp out and tell him to sin no more. ROQR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 12:09:35 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 19 12:08:51 2019. SMDH |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 19 12:27:49 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 12:09:35 2019. Is it corporal punishment that you object to or expedited handling.Expedited handling connects a perp with a lawyer right there in the court room. Check the perp's ID and previous right then and there, and let the lawyer explain his options. Plead guilty and get x days in jail, plead not guilty and post bond or remain in detention until the hearing, which could be more than 30 days. Perp might opt for the quickie, or he may demand a full trial and take his chances. ROQAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 12:50:07 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 19 12:27:49 2019. Both.Your supposedly expedited process still leaves an innocent person languishing in jail. |
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Posted by Brightonr68 on Fri Jul 19 12:58:29 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 12:50:07 2019. Not innocent person . If there was not enough evidence , they would not have been arrested. Period . They get there day in court as the law provides.If you get caught on camera with the gun in your hand you are not innocent and are a danger to society. Very liberal person. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 13:14:35 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Brightonr68 on Fri Jul 19 12:58:29 2019. This is bullshit and contrary to basic American legal principles. If arrest were sufficient evidence of guilt, then trials would be a waste of time and effort.People who are actually caught with a gun on camera (actually using it in a dangerous and illegal way) can be remanded. You say that as if it’s an insult. I wear it as a badge of honor. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 13:44:48 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Brightonr68 on Fri Jul 19 05:22:20 2019. Huh? Closing Riker's won't mean closing all other jails. In fact, more will be opened. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 13:45:20 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 19 12:08:51 2019. Some Christian you are. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 13:45:56 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 13:14:35 2019. Thank you - good post. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 14:16:03 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 13:44:48 2019. IAWTP. I support 100% plans to reduce the population of people held by the NYCDOC, but I believe that the new jails should all be on Rikers. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 19 14:40:15 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 13:44:48 2019. Except if it gets botched and Rikers is closed and the others aren't ready to be opened. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Jul 19 14:48:35 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 14:16:03 2019. There actually is reason to the argument that the jails should be distributed so that spouses, etc., don't have to travel to a really out of the way place to see their loved ones.However, the practicality of trying to set up jails in 2 dozen communities is very low. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 14:58:53 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by AlM on Fri Jul 19 14:48:35 2019. People with longer sentences are sent upstate anyway. A bus trip to Rikers is not a big problem. If there were demand, they could have more routes to Rikers that coincide with visiting times. |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Fri Jul 19 17:02:53 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 13:14:35 2019. Excellent post....especially the last line |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 17:57:00 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 13:45:20 2019. True. One would think a "man of the cloth" would forgive and give him an infinite number of chances for redemption! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 18:02:14 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 17:57:00 2019. He's not a priest. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 18:12:12 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 18:02:14 2019. He is a religious monk who lives in a monetary. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 18:12:21 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 18:02:14 2019. He is a religious monk who lives in a monetary. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 18:13:12 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 18:12:21 2019. Last word:monestary. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 18:17:44 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 18:12:12 2019. Monk ≠ priest |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Fri Jul 19 18:35:50 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 13:45:20 2019. Christians are instructed to be both wise and innocent. In practice it's not simple or easy to balance the two qualities.When dealing with obvious wiseguys, more of the former is required. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 19 23:17:19 2019, in response to Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Jul 18 18:36:29 2019. The mayor, City Council, Public Advocate, and all other elected officials do not seem bothered by the constant level of assaults against MTA employeesActually, the crime rates are historically low. Unfortunately, expecting them to reach absolute zero is a pipe dream. as long as the criminals do not get bail, do not get jail time, do not get arrested, etc I'm not sure what you mean. Are you claiming the attack isn't being investigated? That the police aren't planning to arrest the perpetrator? That the state isn't preparing to try them? That they don't risk the seven-year sentence posted on various surfaces throughout the subway? None of those things seem even remotely plausible, except that they might get a shorter sentence with a plea bargain. We never heard the Mayor or the City Council members shout out how the attack on the female MTA conductor at Stillwell Avenue was unacceptable. Who thinks it's acceptable? People don't habitually state the obvious. If everyone agrees that something is unacceptable, no one has to say it. Not denouncing a random petty crime with no obvious political connection or "controversy" that no one endorses is standard practice for politicians. There is hardly any enforcement of rampant fare evasion on buses and subways Fare evasion is a nonviolent petty offense and often a crime of poverty. It has nothing to do with assault. homeless are taking over entire cars (5 or 6 or more per car after midnight) Riding the subway while homeless is perfectly legal; it's not even a petty offense. What does it have to do with assault? fights are breaking out on trains daily Citation needed. someone was killed at a "3" train stop in East New York this month, etc From which we can safely conclude that we have not yet achieved the impossible goal of getting the murder rate down to literally zero. However, the murder rate is historically low, which is good. But none of this bothers the elected officials Because petty crime is actually not a serious problem. Rates are low. We can make them lower, but I'm not sure you'd support any of the policies that would actually do that. And to respond to the subject line— Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault? Because an assault on a conductor is not, in any conceivable sense, a labour issue. It has nothing to do with MTA management, it could not have been realistically prevented by any agreement with MTA management, and as such, striking could not possibly compel MTA management to ensure it never happens again, as the matter is entirely outside their control. |
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Posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat Jul 20 02:54:30 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Jul 19 04:21:36 2019. It's the Taylor Law. One day for every day on strike. It can be done and was done in 1980 when I was working for the TA. 11 days on strike equalled 22 days loss of pay. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 20 03:16:43 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by chud1 on Fri Jul 19 03:06:22 2019. You agree with illegal wildcat strikes? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 20 03:18:24 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Jul 19 18:13:12 2019. It could be a monastery. But what do I know. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 20 03:39:47 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 12:50:07 2019. If they were innocent, they would not have been brought in.A perp can opt out of expedition, and would fall back to the old system. What do you suppose, we are going to let everyone go until their court date, so that they can continue their crime spree? Ask ICE how that works out. It is too bad that we have perps at all, but there you are, this is their problem, not mine. ROAR |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sat Jul 20 03:59:21 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Bklynsubwaybob on Sat Jul 20 02:54:30 2019. and near bankruptcy of the Union with a few million $$ penalty. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 20 04:12:44 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 20 03:39:47 2019. If they were innocent, they would not have been brought in.Aren't you a devout member of a religion whose founding principle is the exact opposite of this? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 20 05:49:14 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 13:44:48 2019. Why close Rikers just to expand or open others.Aside from the fact that Bill DeLazyoe expects to get enormous kick-backs from developers who see that as the most prime real estate in the city. If real estate interests want that land, klet them build SEVEN new prisons elsewhere around the city. Let them fight the NIMBYS. Otherwise tell the real estate interests (and Bill DeLazyo to go pound sand. ROAR |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jul 20 05:49:16 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 20 04:12:44 2019. No, the principle of Christianity is that even if you are guilty you deserve compassion and forgiveness.But your point is well taken nevertheless. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 20 05:53:56 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 19 14:16:03 2019. Yes the prison population SHOULD be reduced.This is why the LION proposed expedited sentencing in the first place. We do not have to house the jerks waiting for trial. It is also why the LION supports CORPORAL punishments. Let the perp decide: 60 days in jail or 10 lashes. If he opts for the lashes on the same day that he is arrested he can go back out on the streets in the evening. Next offense 1 year or 30 lashes ROAR |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 20 06:02:16 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by italianstallion on Fri Jul 19 13:45:20 2019. How are my suggestions unchristian?Getting them out of the court system the fastest without keeping them in jail seems very christian. Corporal punishment seems to be very Christian, did they not scourge Jesus? What, you think you are better than him. I am not proposing Christian solutions to a civil problem, I am posing Civil Solutions to a Civil problem. If I could wave a magic cross over the perps and let them go forth to sin no more, then I would do it. A Christian always submits to the Civil authority. Sure we could go into perve-priests, and coverup bishops, but that era is over. The perv gets turned over to the authorities to serve a civil sentence and then is adjudicated by church authorities. A Diociese priest can be defrocked and tossed out, not so a religious such as myself. I cannot be thrown out of the order, just like you cannot throw out your daughter because she is a slut. ROAR |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 20 06:09:02 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by AlM on Sat Jul 20 05:49:16 2019. Well, Jesus was arrested (and convicted!) of blasphemy for falsely claiming to be the Messiah. If Lion's claim that arrest is automatic proof of guilt is correct, then Jesus is a false prophet and Christianity is a lie.So the fact that arrest isn't proof of guilt is pretty fundamental to the religion. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 20 06:13:56 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 20 06:02:16 2019. Getting them out of the court system the fastest without keeping them in jail seems very christian.Getting people out of the court system quickly by automatically declaring them guilty even when they're innocent is at the very heart of Christianity. But I always thought Christianity considered it a bad thing. I didn't realise you actually thought the Romans were virtuous role models for executing the blasphemous traitor Jesus. |
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Posted by Jsun21 on Sat Jul 20 06:59:46 2019, in response to Re: Why are MTA workers not striking due to tonight's conductor assault?, posted by Nilet on Fri Jul 19 23:17:19 2019. "Because an assault on a conductor is not, in any conceivable sense, a labour issue. It has nothing to do with MTA management, it could not have been realistically prevented by any agreement with MTA management, and as such, striking could not possibly compel MTA management to ensure it never happens again, as the matter is entirely outside their control. "That's not true, being face to face with the public during a disruption or any negative situation is an intense situation. Part of that is created by the current PR campaign that MTA workers are lazy, pension defrauding thieves. Now you're stuck underground and the public begins looking for people to 'hold accountable'. The number one cause of OOS bus drivers is public assault, because they know there is no police presence except on SBS. You have to realize that the MTA has its own Police force, so saying its entirely outside their control is complete BS but it is something that gets suggested. If there are enough police to sit in every break room, or monitor attendance at railroad facilities then they can spare a few people to sit on a bus or roam trains. As far as bail, I don't think there should be a price tag on justice. If someone is a danger then they should be remanded, if not RoR. But it doesn't work as it should, people like the subway chord puller who has the ability to tamper with safety equipment and has a specific mission to cripple the City's infrastructure. That's insanity. The answer to the strike question is, in brief, its illegal. |
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