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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 10:58:26 2019 I was told they normally did not run this car because of electrical consumption. For those who never rode these cars I can describe the bull & pinion gearing sound as close to our "arnines. Brake release sounded like the Lackawanna MU's and Reading "Blueliners". Exterior view of #4153. She ran well (May 6, 1979)  Controls in cab (May 6, 1979)  Interior view of #4153. (May 6, 1979) 
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Mar 17 11:15:13 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 10:58:26 2019. It has been there longer than it ran in LIRR service (1930-1971). The M-1 replacement is now gone too.Too bad none of the arch roof type exist anymore. This car's bulls eye light reflectors are a little different than most. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 17 12:11:28 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 10:58:26 2019. A certain, current, LIRR engineer is leading the way to getting this restored today as we speak along with other LIRR employees and other volunteers. |
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Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Mar 17 13:03:44 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 10:58:26 2019. I remember riding in these cars as a kid. They rode like tanks & they would really rock & roll between Penn Sta & Jamaica doing around 65 Mph on the old "stick" rail that was used back then. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Sun Mar 17 13:43:57 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 17 12:11:28 2019. Someone finally got that museum to talk to them about that? I know there was discussion on RR.net about it. If you have any info, I'd love to know, I've always had a soft spot for the 54, even though I never saw one run... |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Mar 17 16:05:08 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Mar 17 12:11:28 2019. not gonna happen.it has been deacquisioned according to the guy leading the restoration. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 17 16:53:55 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 10:58:26 2019. Thanks Bill...only got to experience the cat version around Philly. Me and a railfan bud would knock off school from time to time, catch an RDC from Reading & go riding around the commuter zone...fun! |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 19:22:36 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 10:58:26 2019. 
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 19:30:36 2019, in response to [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 10:58:26 2019. 
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Posted by mack c-49 on Sun Mar 17 20:45:47 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 19:30:36 2019. A picture from the future! |
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Posted by kp5308 on Sun Mar 17 20:48:54 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Mar 17 19:22:36 2019. Not much better than when we saw it (2010) |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 18 07:54:12 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Mar 17 16:05:08 2019. CT Trolley Museum Deaccessioning Equipment - Listed as #4 Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 18 15:10:59 2019, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Mar 17 16:05:08 2019. Hmmm. I see. I am not going to doubt the post from the link.Neither will I divulge the name of the LIRR engineer who I am referring to, but he has posted some pics of the restoration work he's doing on facebook. Time will tell. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 3 10:51:33 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Mar 18 15:10:59 2019. I was going through old threads and came upon this. Whatever happened to the MP-54 car? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 3 11:21:18 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 3 10:51:33 2020. I was there 2 years ago. Had some new paint. A retired LIRR engineer was working on it. But the museum's policy since seems to de-emphasize it and some other equipment. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Nov 3 15:02:45 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by 3-9 on Tue Nov 3 10:51:33 2020. This is how she appeared 4 1/2 years ago. (July 30, 2016) 
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Posted by nasadowsk on Tue Nov 3 17:04:15 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 3 11:21:18 2020. I remembering a few people on another forum repeated emailed the museum offering to work on it. Not even a single answer to a single email.What's the saying about gifted horses and mouths, again? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 3 17:07:11 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by nasadowsk on Tue Nov 3 17:04:15 2020. And museums wonder why they can never get enough donations. They get people angry with their rudeness and narrow interests. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 3 17:13:49 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Mar 18 07:54:12 2019. I remember seeing North Shore 710 and at least two 4000s there back in 1983. One of them was wearing the Chicago Elevated orange and brown livery. |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 3 19:16:44 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Nov 3 17:13:49 2020. Still there in 2017. They don't seem to be interested in them either. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 4 02:30:57 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Joe V on Tue Nov 3 17:07:11 2020. Geez, if the museum doesn't want it, I hope the LIRR museum can pick it up, even though there is no way they can run it (though maybe it's possible to run it on the NYC subway? Even if just the elevated trackage? :-)) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 4 02:34:21 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Nov 3 15:02:45 2020. Thanks for posting this! Looks like the carbody is rotting though, since it ran in '79 - never a good sign. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Nov 4 07:00:21 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 4 02:30:57 2020. Geez, if the museum doesn't want it, I hope the LIRR museum can pick it up, even though there is no way they can run it (though maybe it's possible to run it on the NYC subway? Even if just the elevated trackage? :-))That MP-54 is impossible to run on the subway due to clearance issues and other things. It would be nice if either the museums in Oyster Bay and Riverhead, but probably would never happen. This MP-54 if acquired either museum would have to pay the Connecticut Trolley Museum and there's the moving cost too. Now there's money they probably don't have. I don't think either museum is interested in bringing her home, but that's my guess. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 4 07:48:25 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by 3-9 on Wed Nov 4 02:34:21 2020. It is 90 years old.The 1955 P72's were in worse shape at 45 years. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Nov 4 08:52:51 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 4 07:48:25 2020. not directly related, but the museum Lo-V's are what, just about or over 100 years old? |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Wed Nov 4 10:18:35 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Nov 4 07:00:21 2020. There's another up in maine that, last I saw it, was in (somewhat) better condition... |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 4 10:21:07 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by nasadowsk on Wed Nov 4 10:18:35 2020. And the 3rd MP54A1 is in Syracuse at the Fair Grounds.When it got its rebuild around 1961, they did a cheaper job. They replaced the chandeliers with incandescent encasements of aluminum and glass, but never got the narrowed clerestory with bulls eye track lighting. I was in it last year. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 4 10:22:18 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Express Rider on Wed Nov 4 08:52:51 2020. Yes. Several P54D's are still around, 93 years old, and their bodies are still good. Must be the grade of steel. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Nov 4 14:27:35 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by nasadowsk on Wed Nov 4 10:18:35 2020. Well, this was Aug 17, 2017 
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Posted by nasadowsk on Wed Nov 4 16:57:01 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Wed Nov 4 14:27:35 2020. Still ain't rotted to shit like the CT one is. And still has its propulsion gear. Though the CT one does too |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 4 17:03:47 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by nasadowsk on Wed Nov 4 16:57:01 2020. The CT one in 2017 when I was there did not look al that bad, paint-wise, though it had nasty horizontal rot along the base. There are asbestos issues with that.LIRR did offer an MP54C (arch roof) to the Riverhead group. It had been an Alcohol car. They refused it to due asbestos oozing out the sides. Sadly, all arch roof MP54's are now extinct. The Sag Harbor or Watermill car (#4900) was the last one and carted off to scrap about 10 years ago. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 5 10:46:23 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 4 17:03:47 2020. LIRR did offer an MP54C (arch roof) to the Riverhead group. It had been an Alcohol car. They refused it to due asbestos oozing out the sides.When did that happen? |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 5 12:02:00 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by 3-9 on Thu Nov 5 10:46:23 2020. Must be 20+ years ago. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 5 14:43:00 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 4 17:03:47 2020. Is this the car in mind ? (February 1980) 
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 5 14:49:42 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 5 14:43:00 2020. Yeh, that's the one. Shame |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 5 14:56:47 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 4 17:03:47 2020. The Watermill station as a restaurant. (July 1991)  The harbormasters office at Sag Harbor. (October 1986) 
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 5 15:58:12 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 5 14:56:47 2020. Body was in good shape too. Another tragedy. |
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Posted by nasadowsk on Thu Nov 5 16:13:29 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Joe V on Wed Nov 4 17:03:47 2020. I know the MP-54s were pretty hated by the time they were retired, but it's like the whole fleet was effectively wiped off this planet. There's still a number of the PRR ones left, and a few Reading cars of various types, too.. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 5 16:38:27 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by nasadowsk on Thu Nov 5 16:13:29 2020. The 4100 and 4800-4900's were still in pretty good shape and reliable in 1970 and 1971.There are about 8 P54D coaches on several tourist railroads, all equivalent of the MP54D1. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Nov 6 10:49:06 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by nasadowsk on Thu Nov 5 16:13:29 2020. The newest LIRR MP54's were delivered in 1930 with the first third coming between 1908 and 1915. Pretty sure even the newest ones used the same ~1908 vintage construction techniques. By 1970 their mechanical condition just had to be absolutely abysmal.The NY Central MU's met a similar fate. I'm sure there was a lot of short shortsightedness within the MTA and preservation community at the time. In the 1980's when it was clear that the EL and RDG MU's represented the last pools of "classic" style passenger equipment left, the tourist train industry purchased them en-masse. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 6 16:23:17 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Nov 6 10:49:06 2020. There's always "shortsightedness" when the government runs things.And if the Lackawanna MUs could still have been in running order after 54 years, why would the MP54s be in bad shape after just forty? |
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Posted by Nasadowsk on Sat Nov 7 08:05:12 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 6 16:23:17 2020. The PRR pretty much wished their commuter traffic would have gone away after WWII. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 7 15:12:55 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Nasadowsk on Sat Nov 7 08:05:12 2020. How do you know what the PRR wished? and what in blazes does that have to do with what I was talking about?All their literature from that period indicated that they wished that state taxation and regulation would have gone away after WWII, FWICS. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Nov 7 15:48:30 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 6 16:23:17 2020. LIRR Mp54's were built between 1908 and 1930. 2/3rd got a rebuild in the 1950's.Ronan ordered junking of a lot of accumulated and rare spare parts in 1967, as well as deferred maintenance. They also scrapped 23 year old double deckers, though they had structural issues, and 19 year old MP70 "Wyer" cars (20 of them). |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Nov 9 09:08:57 2020, in response to [PHOTO] Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 5 14:43:00 2020. What a loss. Were the other cars ones that the LIRR picked up secondhand? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Nov 9 09:18:36 2020, in response to [PHOTOS] Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Nov 5 14:56:47 2020. Thanks for sharing these! |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 9 09:23:23 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by 3-9 on Mon Nov 9 09:08:57 2020. Everything other than a Pullman-Standard MP70, MP72, P72, T72, and MP75 were 2nd hand and all gone by March 1979.The ex-B&M P-74B coaches were the last to go, although several Parlor Observation cars lingered into the 1980's. MN commandeered the 2 Phoebe Snow cars. The ex-B&O car wound up in private hands. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Nov 9 09:24:15 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Joe V on Thu Nov 5 16:38:27 2020. I always appreciated the fact that, up until the M1's, all the electric cars could MU together. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 9 09:26:40 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by 3-9 on Mon Nov 9 09:24:15 2020. The last MP72/MP75 in MU service was October 1973, exactly two years after the last MP54.From then on, the entire MU fleet was compatible until the M-7, though there was some initial issues with the M-3 and M-1. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Mon Nov 9 10:17:55 2020, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Re: [PHOTOS] LIRR MP-54 #4153 At CT Trolley Museum, posted by Joe V on Mon Nov 9 09:23:23 2020. Interesting, thanks for the info! I always thought MN got the Phoebe Snow cars directly from EL, not from the LIRR. |
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