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Posted by heypaul on Tue Oct 16 06:17:31 2018 MTA Meltdown |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Oct 16 12:50:07 2018, in response to Morning Chaos Cripples "The World's Worst" Subway System, posted by heypaul on Tue Oct 16 06:17:31 2018. "The signals are out-dated, they're past the sell-by on the cereal box we keep spare parts in, give us another billion dollahs. Wait, make it $1.1B, we lost a suitcase on the way back from a ... meeting." |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 16 13:16:43 2018, in response to Morning Chaos Cripples "The World's Worst" Subway System, posted by heypaul on Tue Oct 16 06:17:31 2018. If you drive, you have daily delays too.I have to LOL at "The Worlds Worst Subway System" If you live/commute in NYC you say yours is the worst. If you live/commute in Philadelphia, you say yours is the worst. If you live/commute in Chicago, you say yours is the worst. If you live/commute in Washington DC, you say yours is the worst. In these parts if you ride LIRR, you say yours is the worst, but MN riders say the same. I'm sure Chicago commuters say the same. The bottom line is when you have so many people coming into small areas to work in the morning and leave in the afternoon there has to be delays. Everybody elses' grass looks greener than your own! |
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Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System |
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Posted by LA Scott on Tue Oct 16 13:55:31 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 16 13:16:43 2018. It is a fact that if you live in the United States, your transit experience will be worse than any European or East Asian system. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 16 15:05:28 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by LA Scott on Tue Oct 16 13:55:31 2018. Exactly because transit takes a back seat to autos and roads in the US.As much as we complain about "high" gasoline prices here, it's much more expensive around the world. |
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Posted by Steamdriven on Tue Oct 16 16:41:40 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Oct 16 15:05:28 2018. The US was massively built out after WWII, that was the Age of the Auto. Old places in Europe were built when Game of Thrones was current events. After WWII it was still decades before everyone in Europe could afford a car. Germans built the People's Car and the Autobahn, both rather automobile oriented. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 00:45:26 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by LA Scott on Tue Oct 16 13:55:31 2018. Our transit is far more comfortable than East Asian, so we have that going for us. In the US sometimes people have to stand in rush hour. In East Asia, it is sometimes possible to lift both feet off the ground and remain upright. And rush hour runs from 6PM to the last train of the night at 1AM, meaning taking "the next one" is always just as crowded as the last. This video (incorrectly labelled as "rush hour") shows a midnight train (1 hour before closing) departing the CBD. Note from the departure board on the adjacent track that trains are running every 5 minutes even that late, still overcrowded. |
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Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Oct 17 01:51:18 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 00:45:26 2018. I have a 1946 timetable for the Lex/Pelham (6) lcl which shows the midnight headway as 12 min instead of today’s 20 and the old timers told me those trains were packed. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Oct 17 04:28:31 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 00:45:26 2018. Our transit is far more comfortable than East AsianJapan is a bit of a special case, but after visiting Europe, I stopped being so crazy about US trains. Waiting for some slow to accelerate noisy M-7 in the cold gets really old when I'd get 4 tph on an equivalent line in Europe. And their fabric seats are better than our icky "leather" seats. LIRR isn't going to ever deliver JR East levels of service, and there isn't much demand for it, but I'd kill for what SNCF or DB provides. And rush hour runs from 6PM to the last train of the night at 1AM, meaning taking "the next one" is always just as crowded as the last I have to admit, I was shocked when I rode the Keikyu Line from Haneda, and the train was crowded within three stops from the airport at 11 PM. By the time we reached the core, it made NYCTA's worst rush hour crowding look like a joke. After seeing such high levels of use, it explains how the core JR companies and the private railways manage to stay profitable. FWIW, the high levels of crowding along with the platform barriers admittedly made photography a bit harder. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Wed Oct 17 08:26:54 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 00:45:26 2018. Tokyo is like that on many lines, but I have taken the subways in Beijing and Hong Kong, and they are no more crowded than NYC, and much more reliable (and clean).I have a good friend originally from DC and NYC who now lives in Beijing. He has traveled through most of East Asia, and reports similar experiences - Tokyo being severely overcrowded but other cities good. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 20:11:11 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Oct 17 04:28:31 2018. LIRR isn't going to ever deliver JR East levels of service, and there isn't much demand for itThere is demand on the Port Washington branch. I suspect the Hempstead branch too if they were cheaper (or at least not 4x the price of N6 to Subway). Plus there's induced demand. If you build it, they will come. In this case "building it" means less expensive frequent service. High density housing will sprout up around the stations shortly after. the high levels of crowding along with the platform barriers admittedly made photography a bit harder. The Keikyu line only has barriers at the Airport itself, and possibly Shinagawa. Which are likely the two stations you visited. I wonder if Japan has resisted platform screen doors partially due to the high demand for clean sightlines for rail photography... it would be trivial to add to many stations, virtually all lines have had doors in predictable locations for the past 30 years (thus the platform markings which line up perfectly). |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 20:41:24 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by LA Scott on Wed Oct 17 08:26:54 2018. Singapore is just as overcrowded, though mainly on the red [north-south] and green [east-west] lines (the first two built). The new lines like the blue [downtown] and soon-to-be brown [thompson east coast] lines are/will help though because they create alternate routes of getting from A to B. Blue at least I could find a seat outside rush hours.I also had similar crowding in Kyoto, so it's not just a Tokyo thing. That said despite Tokyo's crowds they are reliable and clean too. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 01:07:53 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Oct 17 20:11:11 2018. Which are likely the two stations you visitedI actually meant in general. Admittedly, I wasn't at my best on this trip, but while it's easier to railfan with so many trains, it's harder to get a clear empty platform "off-peak" without people ruining the angles. I suspect on the next trip there, I just need to wake up early and do a better job of riding strange trains in strange places. :-) |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 18 19:52:38 2018, in response to Re: Morning Chaos Cripples ''The World's Worst'' Subway System, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Oct 18 01:07:53 2018. No need to wake up early or go very far. Last year I got a mostly people-less shot of every color variant of E231/233/531 in central Toyko between 4PM and 7PM on a weekday. If I was more patient I could have gotten perfect shots from the same locations.The trick is to take the picture from the next platform over. The train blocks the people on its platform, and the windows are tinted so you don't really see people inside the train. On your side (especially if it is Ueno, Tokyo or Shinjuku which have multiple platforms for the same line) you might be on a platform that won't have a departure for over 10 minutes, or has a shorter not in service train occupying it, and will likely be alone on that platform. |
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