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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 25 17:07:03 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 24 21:08:26 2018. If the Bx portion of the el had been kept and connected to the IRT subway, it probably would have had to be reenforced to hold the conventional steel subway cars which would have definitely operated there. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 25 17:38:43 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 25 14:37:31 2018. Probably - at least the portions south of the Dual Contract extension. But a lot of work was done to the El in the 1950s- upgraded signals, new interlocking north of 149th Street, boosting it up over the Cross Bronx Expressway. I'm sure strengthening the portion south of Fordham was eminently doable.As for the stations, if they got lengthened, a few would have probably had to be eliminated. In the end, no stations were lengthened, and they were all eliminated. And the MTA as proud of doing so. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 25 17:40:37 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 25 16:42:46 2018. Yeah, I heard that as well. Seems to me that it may have been smarter just to use the Dyre Line, and leave WPR to the IRT.Alas....the NYWB ROW south of East 180th is no more- so that option doesn't even exist now. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 25 18:32:17 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by Elkeeper on Wed Apr 25 14:37:31 2018. I mentioned that in another post. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 26 13:37:46 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 25 17:38:43 2018. I was more interested to know if the structure, as it was, could hold the weight of 10 car steel subway trains. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 26 13:57:04 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 26 13:37:46 2018. short answer, not very likely. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 26 16:10:46 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 25 17:40:37 2018. The option could still be used but at greater expense since a longer subway infrastructure would have to be built to connect to the remaining portion of the line. The intent of the SAS was to get 2 of the Bx IRT lines off Lex Av and the closeness of the Wh Pl Rd Line to the Dyre Line at E180 made take over of the Wh Pl Rd line by the SAS a better option than Pelham. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 26 21:35:02 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 25 17:07:03 2018. And every station's platform doubled in length. These were probably the biggest arguments against retaining the el. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 27 15:46:27 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 25 17:07:03 2018. I knew that the Bronx 3rd Ave el used 5 car Lov's and World's fair cars, but I was unsure if the structure, as it was, could handle 10 car steel trains on a regular basis. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 27 16:26:07 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Apr 26 21:35:02 2018. Had the el been strengthened for full trains of steel cars, a few stations would probably have been eliminated when the principal ones were lengthened. The same would have been the case if, by some miracle, the 3 Av El in Manhattan had been spared. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 15:08:54 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Apr 26 13:57:04 2018. The newer dual contract portion could.The older was modified to withstand heavier traffic. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 25 15:28:20 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 15:08:54 2018. The lower portion certainly was upgraded to handle the WF-LoVs and the R12s- (the work was probably done at the time of the Dual Contracts), but I don't think they ever got it to the point where it could hold full-length, full-powered subway cars. The R12s had to be modified to restrict their speed and braking - dynamic braking was cut out.But regardless of what extent they did or didn't modify it to- I think it's a travesty that they tore it down. Even running as its own line, the 8 train provided a necessary connection. The MTA was so proud of getting rid of it- there's a 1973 video on You Tube where they bast of modernizing transportation in the area by permanently bustituting the line. Ronan was also quoted in the NY Times to the effect that replacing the el with buses was a necessary modernization. What a disgrace. They should have ordered the R39s. Also, there seems to have been no objection at all from local officials to the demise of the 8 train- whereas, at least there were ineffective attempts to save the Myrtle Av El (MJ) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 15:46:11 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 25 15:28:20 2018. Fully agreed upon.It was as if the MTA was hellbent on shrinking the scope of its responsibilities. NYC should have stepped in and told them directly..."We OWN this system...not YOU...And We will decide what needs changing." |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Sep 25 16:37:54 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by Edwards! on Tue Sep 25 15:46:11 2018. Agreed! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Sep 25 19:11:22 2018, in response to Re: Map: 1947 SAS Proposal, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Sep 25 15:28:20 2018. "Ronan stinks." |
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