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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 26 20:12:06 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by MainR3664 on Sat May 26 16:45:06 2018. Of course, Moe needs to check up on Curly to make sure he's not a victim of soicumstance. |
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Posted by jrr4 on Sat May 26 20:27:01 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018. A simple pressure washing would do wonders, at least temporarily. |
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Posted by Lord Vader on Sun May 27 00:19:09 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:25:58 2018. The Penn Pocket track is no longer abandoned.Vader |
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Posted by K. Trout on Sun May 27 00:40:26 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by jrr4 on Sat May 26 20:27:01 2018. In which decade was it last pressure-washed, anyway? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 27 02:46:07 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:25:58 2018. They would then only need to extend the non-relaying side of the platforms. Even if some eastern division route gets 9 or 10 car trains, if the relay is needed for a planned service disruption whatever route can be cut back to either 4+4 or a single 5 car unit for that night/weekend. |
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Posted by Mr. Night Train Show on Sun May 27 11:06:45 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 27 02:46:07 2018. Is this the station they used for that movie "CHUD" ? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 27 14:05:05 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri May 25 22:07:41 2018. perhaps, Steve could tell us what is behind some of those doors and hatches, especially on the former ramps to the Manhattan Bridge! |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 27 14:44:20 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by MainR3664 on Sat May 26 16:42:36 2018. A monument with ancient sewer, water, and who-knows-what. Some of them date to before the Dual Contracts of 1913, the year the station was opened. Some of those lines have been re-routed or closed up and forgotten, complicated by the sheer size of that "Monument". |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 27 14:55:32 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by randyo on Sat May 26 15:22:12 2018. They have to fix the leaks at Chambers St first. It will take a long time to determine the source of those leaks. Next, comes the contracts for the repairs. Then, the work, itself. Remember how long it took to fix the new South Ferry station? Better off with a temporary wall that can be replaced in a few years. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun May 27 15:19:12 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 27 14:05:05 2018. perhaps, Steve could tell us what is behind some of those doors and hatches, especially on the former ramps to the Manhattan Bridge! That's were Steve keeps his secret stash of kielbasa. The sealed of staircases on the center platform aren't really sealed off. Steve just wants us to think so. As for the ramps those are for him to make a quick getaway in case the Revenue Agents show up. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun May 27 15:27:19 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by K. Trout on Sun May 27 00:40:26 2018. In which decade was it last pressure-washed, anyway?Given that pressure washers weren't invented until 1950, the likely answer is "never." |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun May 27 15:32:01 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat May 26 07:53:06 2018. Offer the empty platform to a private concern to build a fancy restaurant there. Some glass windows at the platform edge and you could do something nice with it, and earn rent besides.Some years back there were plans to do that with the abandoned 18th Street station on the Lexington Avenue line. Nothing ever became of the plans. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 27 15:52:53 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun May 27 15:19:12 2018. No wonder that station smells so badly! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 27 16:43:59 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 27 02:46:07 2018. If there is a 10-9 at W4th at 4pm on a weekday, and the M train is 9 cars, how are you going to relay it at Chambers St when you can't at Broad Street since those stub tracks are limited too and have the J/Z every 5 minutes ? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 27 16:46:01 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Elkeeper on Sun May 27 14:55:32 2018. Or maybe they'll just stick in an elevator on each of 2 platforms quick and dirty and call it a day. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 27 17:00:14 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Joe V on Sun May 27 16:43:59 2018. Like they do anywhere else there isn't a convenient relay - send one or two to Brooklyn 9th Ave, route some onto the express tracks after B-Lafayette, relay one or two with the J, short turn one or two at Essex st. That relay is one of the least important extra relays out there, as far as emergency turnbacks go. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 27 17:50:34 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Joe V on Sat May 26 18:14:34 2018. Possibly, but although I’ve been through there many times, I’m not exactly sure. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 27 17:52:11 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 26 16:45:01 2018. Also on the outside walls which were done in 1950s tasteless style tiles when the platforms were extended. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 27 17:53:09 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Lord Vader on Sun May 27 00:19:09 2018. When was it restored? |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 27 18:23:16 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun May 27 17:00:14 2018. The way the interlocking is set up, and probably would still be even if the platforms are extended, is that a train could go into J4 tk, and return right back from the station without having to relay. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun May 27 18:44:40 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by MainR3664 on Sat May 26 16:45:06 2018. The problem with what passes for MTA planning is that many of the planners come from “Toonerville Trolley” systems that are primarily 2 track lines with few if any switches between terminals, so if any switch is not used 24/7, they want to remove it. When the Essex St master tower was first installed, it was planned to have all 4 tracks of the Centre St Line go through Canal St into Chambers was was originally intended when the line was constructed. The route of the tracks was installed on the model board but taped over like 76 St used to be on Euclid’s board. If the 4 tracks had been retained, there would not only have been an easier path to the Chambers turnback but canal could also have been used to turn back if needed. Instead of increasing flexibility, the cesspool of incompetence that passes for MTA planning and management took away what flexibility was already in place. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun May 27 19:08:34 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by K. Trout on Sun May 27 00:40:26 2018. In which decade was it last pressure-washed, anyway? 'Tiles are glazed and don't need to be pressure washed. Perhaps, the concrete platform could use a pressure washing. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon May 28 05:25:55 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018. From a friend,All underground stations are pressure washed on a regular basis. It is done during overnight hours by a team of cleaners known as Mobile Wash. On platforms they use a push type broom to apply soap and use the broom to scrub the soap. They then use a pressure washer using hot water from their truck parked on the street to remove the soap.They drag hoses down the street stairs except in some renovated stations where there is a mobile wash connection cabinet for their pressure wash and the truck connects to the pipes at street level Lastly they use squeegees to push the water to drains and apply an odor remover and an anti slip treatment if the platform is tiled. For side platforms they apply soap to the tile and follow steps 2 and 3. Tiled walls for Island platforms are done by a team of cleaners called Track Tile Cleaners They stand on the roadbed (With flagging and third rail protection) and use a push type broom to apply soap and then use the broom to scrub the tile They rinse the tiles regular hoses. Yes- all stations have hose connections for hoses Routine cleaning of tiled platforms is done by Cleaners called Heavy duty Cleaners (HDC) using a scrubber machine. |
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Posted by jailhousedoc on Mon May 28 07:12:07 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sat May 26 08:55:57 2018. could they be re-purposed for another line to Brooklyn perhaps ? I am only asking. If it is there, there might be some potential for it for the future. The population has grown and more highways are not the answer - how about some of these lines that were planned but never built ? |
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Posted by gold_12th on Mon May 28 09:37:32 2018, in response to The "Chamber of Horrors" Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by William A. Padron on Fri May 25 17:51:54 2018.  So, they still "planning" which sections need to get the work done. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 10:07:27 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Sun May 27 15:19:12 2018. Killbossy is what you do when she stops giving milk. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 10:15:14 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by randyo on Sun May 27 18:44:40 2018. Whale... In days of old, when GRS ruled the roost, it was necessary to remove unused switches in order to free up frame space for newer turnouts.See, this is how I had to do it when I wanted to free up a lever on my GRS frame...  Switche can still be used, but MOW would have to remove the bar, and tower personnel would have to move and flag the points. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 10:15:33 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by randyo on Sun May 27 18:44:40 2018. Whale... In days of old, when GRS ruled the roost, it was necessary to remove unused switches in order to free up frame space for newer turnouts.See, this is how I had to do it when I wanted to free up a lever on my GRS frame... Switche can still be used, but MOW would have to remove the bar, and tower personnel would have to move and flag the points. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon May 28 12:20:50 2018, in response to Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by gold_12th on Mon May 28 09:37:32 2018. I was there yesterday to ride the R-179's, that's another post.When I got home, I felt like taking a shower with Clorox. lol Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 12:24:19 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon May 28 12:20:50 2018. It will take an entire town's water tank load of bleach, white vinegar, and baking soda to clean up that station. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 28 13:02:41 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 10:07:27 2018. Rim shot! |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon May 28 13:24:02 2018, in response to Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by gold_12th on Mon May 28 09:37:32 2018. Nice to see the official news, Elevators, ADA ramps, better lighting and new paint. That's a tall order!Hope everything goes well! |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 13:29:22 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon May 28 13:24:02 2018. Didn't say anything about rat traps and poison.Maybe they should have a few weeks of all day Fasttracks to let some coyotes or wolves loose on them. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 28 14:40:42 2018, in response to Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by gold_12th on Mon May 28 09:37:32 2018. It sounds from the description that the middle tracks J3 and J4 will be taken permanently out of service effectively taking away the station’s ability to turn trains in the event of an emergency. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 28 14:41:23 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 10:07:27 2018. I never sausage a horrible pun! |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 28 14:59:21 2018, in response to Re: The ''Chamber of Horrors'' Station To Be Fixed At Last?!?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon May 28 10:15:14 2018. Usually if there was any possibility for expansion, the GRS (and US&S machines for that matter) would have spare spaces and in some cases even spare levers in case new switches and/or signals were added. The old Roosevelt Ave tower on the IND had actual spare levers to control the never installed switches and signals leading to the upper level. By the way, prior to the opening of the 6 Av Line, there was a GRS machine at Lexington Av to control the Xover at that location. Although the machine was removed when 5 Av tower opened, the original model board remained in the old tower for many years and I assume was probably removed when the new signaling was installed. My only question is what happened to the old interlocking machine itself? I can’t think of any location on the IND that opened after 1940 that could have used an interlocking machine only equipped for a diamond Xover. The only possibility I can think of is that considering the timeline, it may have been utilized to control the Xover at Bridge/Jay St on Myrtle which was installed after the Myrtle and Lex els were shortlined to that station. Another mystery is what became of the original Model 2 GRS machine from 6Av/14 St which was no longer needed when the line was extended to 8 Av. The 8 Av machine was a brand new Model 5 like the one at Broad St. I can’t think of any location where the machine could have been installed unless that one was held for use at Bridge/Jay St instead of the one I previously mentioned. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon May 28 14:59:27 2018, in response to Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by gold_12th on Mon May 28 09:37:32 2018. Notice how they shied away from the "water mitigation" aspect? The fact that the MTA chose to rehab other stations with fewer problems just shows how afraid they are to get involved with the water/sewage problems there. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 28 15:00:33 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 13:29:22 2018. Maybe they should have a few weeks of all day Fasttracks to let some coyotes or wolves loose on them. Joe: Have you seen the size of those rats? We might have to send Godzilla in on this one. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 28 15:00:47 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 13:29:22 2018. Maybe they should have a few weeks of all day Fasttracks to let some coyotes or wolves loose on them. Joe: Have you seen the size of those rats? We might have to send Godzilla in on this one. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon May 28 15:08:13 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 28 15:00:47 2018. The really good exterminators know that rats are intelligent creatures. I watched one company put baited but unset rat traps into shoe sized cardboard boxes and let the rats eat undisturbed for a week. They rebaited the traps daily, so the rats considered them to be a regular food source. After a few days of this they baited and set the traps and SNAP! No more rats. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 15:20:19 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 28 15:00:33 2018. Ask Montana ranchers what they think of the Canadian wolves imported from Canada. They are fearless and go after coyote, elk, sheep, goats, cattle, and moose. A NYC rat is nothing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 15:23:39 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Mon May 28 14:40:42 2018. A new pedestrian bridge between the two platforms does not imply tracks J3 and J4 go away. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon May 28 15:56:39 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Mon May 28 14:40:42 2018. If I'm reading this correctly, wheelchair access to the Chambers St. station will be through the IRT Brooklyn Bridge station. And if that one elevator craps out, then what ?No room under the Municipal Bldg. for an elevator ? There seems to be room and it would be closer to the station itself. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by randyo on Mon May 28 16:30:43 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 15:23:39 2018. Then how do you build a pedestrian bridge between the 2 in service platforms without crossing J3 and J4 tks? |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 16:41:36 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by randyo on Mon May 28 16:30:43 2018. Just as you say, a bridge over the tracks and over that abandoned middle platform too. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 28 16:52:24 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 15:20:19 2018. A NYC rat is nothing. These are New York City rats. They have seniority. Who do you think killed off all the alligators in the sewers? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 16:59:05 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 28 16:52:24 2018. Wolves are very adaptable and very intelligent, smarter than a dog, coyote, fox, or rat.Alberta Province, Canada have no rats whatsoever. If they think they discovered one, it is true emergency and it is eradicated immediately. A wolf would not care. Their only match is a mountain lion. The are real sons of bitches. One killed a mountain biker last week out west. |
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Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 28 17:00:48 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 16:59:05 2018. Canada have no rats whatsoever. I agree with you. The Canadians are a very nice and well-manned peoples. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon May 28 17:03:47 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 28 17:00:48 2018. Well just Alberta. Cities in other provinces may have them. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon May 28 17:41:14 2018, in response to Re: Chambers St (J) (Z) - MTA Press Release details, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Mon May 28 17:00:48 2018. Eh?:) |
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