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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 14 21:32:26 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 14 19:14:40 2017. Chrystie St.cut. Change direction at W.4th, then the F line to CIYD. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 14 21:51:35 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Sep 14 21:32:26 2017. Seems like a waste, if it's not an R-32. Why not just fix the connection? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 14 22:08:46 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by BusMgr on Tue Sep 12 01:13:18 2017. The walk from Broad to South Ferry is a pain, you have to walk a few blocks before coming within sight of the ferry terminal. You would also lose the free transfer to the 1. Bowling Green is at least closer, and an easier walk since the terminal is fairly visible. OTOH, the J provides a connection to Fulton St complex, FWIW, but so does the 4/5.Speaking of South Ferry, it looks like they repeated the mistake again and sealed up the connection between the old and new #1 stations. Bummer. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 15 15:06:20 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by The Silence on Tue Sep 12 12:11:34 2017. Why are the 32s banned from Montague? |
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Posted by B1bus on Fri Sep 15 15:13:16 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by randyo on Wed Sep 13 16:56:36 2017. Even when the shuttle went to 36st, it was full train length. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 15 15:21:08 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 14 22:08:46 2017. Speaking of South Ferry, it looks like they repeated the mistake again and sealed up the connection between the old and new #1 stations.Nothing a few swings of a sledgehammer can't handle if the need arises. I suspect it's just a single layer of cinder blocks with tile, an only on the "new" end of the tunnel. That said, allowing it as a walkway to get to the inside of the ferry terminal would have been nice. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 15 16:24:46 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Thu Sep 14 21:51:35 2017. Not worth the occasional train. Not even one a day.R32/42's are permanently banned from the Montague due to clearance issues. Since there are so few of them relative to the rest of the fleet, they easily can be routed elsewhere and used on lines that don't go near the Montague. Not worth the money in the long run to deal with the clearance issue. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 20:36:13 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 15 15:21:08 2017. No, there's no way to get to the inside of the ferry terminal from the subway anymore. The original entrances have been replaced by vendors, though the original (covered-up) signs are still there. The current entrance to the old station has a covered wire/chain link gate, last I checked. The entrances to the new station is slightly more distant to the ferry entrance. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 20:38:36 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Sep 15 15:06:20 2017. The edges of the roofs don't clear the rebuilt tunnel. Some goes with the nostalgia trains. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 20:44:35 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 15 15:21:08 2017. Instead of cinder blocks and tiles (which, I agree, is probably the composition), they could have put a pair of steel fire doors there. That way, the old station could have been used whenever the new station needs to be closed - simply a matter of unlocking and opening the doors. And, (shades of Wallyhorse here), they could have used the old station for Lexington Ave trains, making South Ferry an even more important transfer hub. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 15 21:26:32 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 20:38:36 2017. B Division models R42 and down not allowed in the Montague tube.Clearance issues. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 15 21:29:09 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 20:44:35 2017. They don't want to use the old station under any circumstances because the gap fillers are a big complicated maintenance issue. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Sep 15 22:28:06 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri Sep 15 15:21:08 2017. From a previous message:"That said, allowing it as a walkway to get to the inside of the ferry terminal would have been nice." This is a suggestion for using the older South Ferry #1 loop station as a passageway into the larger South Ferry/Whitehall Street subway station complex. In my opinion, however useful the older South Ferry #1 loop station maybe as a subway station, there is a much greater LESSER amount of usefulness as a pedestrian passageway. Here's why. The older South Ferry #1 loop station originally had only one entrance - the current center stairway that now leads to a set of turn-styles on the southern western side of the newer Whitehall Ferry Terminal Building. Prior to the building of the current ferry building, the entrance to this station existed under a curving ramp that lead to older 1954 edition of the ferry terminal structure. It was this entrance that was incorporated into the new much larger Whitehall Ferry Terminal Building in 2009, with a attendant booth and turnstyles and an open entrance INSIDE the ferry terminal building. In the early period when the newer ferry terminal building opened incoming ferry riders were directed to the side roadway exits, and had to walk around the outside of the building and re-enter the ground floor level of the ferry terminal to use the #1 subway station. The interior ground level doors that lead directly to the ground floor roadway and ferry docks so that current bike-riders, the wheel-chair bound handicapped can easily board the ferry - was at the time closed off. For about the first year or two after the new ferry terminal opened this policy was in effect. When these doors were opened up, incoming ferry riders could walk directly through the ferry building direct to the #1 train - in an all weather protected environment - that until the newer combined South Ferry Stub Terminal & Whitehall Station opened. Now incoming ferry riders can use these doors to access the interior ground floor level of the terminal, to access the second level of the terminal, or to walk out of the front of the terminal to reach the plaza subway station, bus stops, taxi stands, or to simply leave the building. Using the side roadway exits to walk around the terminal building and to then enter the side subway station entrance, in my opinion, was not such a great advantage! Why, I thought at the time why have an internal entrance - if the riders have to walk inside in all kinds of weather to just use the #1 station. It was really not such a great step up from the #1 terminal being under the curved ramp - where one had to ALWAYS walk outside with ZERO weather protection. The current suggestion to use the older South Ferry #1 loop station as a passageway into the larger South Ferry/Whitehall Street subway station complex - simply just creates a more circuitous route to get to the actual trains that one needs. While the #1 stub terminal was under repair and the #1 loop station was open, one could traverse the complex through the south-east side original loop entrance to the newer larger complex. This very small entrance does not have any Metro-Card machines, or other assistance. This would not be a great improvement. Mike |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 23:44:18 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 15 21:29:09 2017. Big, complicated issue? Gap fillers have been around for decades, it's not like a new thing here. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 16 08:00:05 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 23:44:18 2017. And they fail frequently since they're old, especially at 14th St. on the s/b #6. Many careless passengers are injured by these. They are very maintenance intensive.Transit is using the old South Ferry to turn/loop trains with the gap fillers locked in place. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 16 08:00:35 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 23:44:18 2017. And they fail frequently since they're old, especially at 14th St. on the s/b #6. Many careless passengers are injured by these. They are very maintenance intensive.Transit is using the old South Ferry to turn/loop trains with the gap fillers locked in place. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 16 08:00:42 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 23:44:18 2017. And they fail frequently since they're old, especially at 14th St. on the s/b #6. Many careless passengers are injured by these. They are very maintenance intensive.Transit is using the old South Ferry to turn/loop trains with the gap fillers locked in place. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 16 08:00:42 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 23:44:18 2017. And they fail frequently since they're old, especially at 14th St. on the s/b #6. Many careless passengers are injured by these. They are very maintenance intensive.Transit is using the old South Ferry to turn/loop trains with the gap fillers locked in place. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 16 08:00:42 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 23:44:18 2017. And they fail frequently since they're old, especially at 14th St. on the s/b #6. Many careless passengers are injured by these. They are very maintenance intensive.Transit is using the old South Ferry to turn/loop trains with the gap fillers locked in place. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat Sep 16 08:32:16 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by 3-9 on Fri Sep 15 20:36:13 2017. Speaking of exiting to the inside of a building, remember when you could come up from Penn Station and end up inside MSG beyond the ticket sales offices? |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Sep 16 10:21:40 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 16 08:00:05 2017. And they fail frequently since they're old, especially at 14th St. on the s/b #6.Interestingly, I've been there hundreds of times and never observed an incident. Though I agree that even 1 failure per 1,000 uses would be bad. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Sep 16 10:56:19 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by AlM on Sat Sep 16 10:21:40 2017. Get plenty of failures via the service advisories on the MTA website. The ones on the express track seldom fail. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Sep 16 13:25:28 2017, in response to Re: Late Night R to Whitehall St, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Sep 15 21:29:09 2017. Want to or not, the next Sandy, they are going to be right back in there. I know they have better floor mitigation now, but eventually, it will be defeated. |
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