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Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 27 13:00:04 2017 Pittsburgh checking fares |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 14:12:56 2017, in response to Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 27 13:00:04 2017. Thanks for the heads-up to never use PATransit if I ever visit Pittsburgh in the future. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 27 14:38:19 2017, in response to Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 27 13:00:04 2017. This article doesn't make sense in billions of parallel universes.But even without reading it, if there's no racial profiling, that means they racial profile and go straight to me. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 27 14:50:28 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless, posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 27 14:38:19 2017. On correction, I don't see how a crazy lady is a "handful" of concerned citizens. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 27 15:03:46 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 14:12:56 2017. Why should a fare check require you to show a passport? |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 27 16:23:26 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 27 15:03:46 2017. If you pay your fare, you have nothing to worry about. I have never cheated a transit system, and I've been in Philadelphia, New York City, Washington, DC, Baltimore , MD,Pittsburgh, Pa. & San Francisco, CA.I do think that Pittsburgh is going a little too far with their investigation of an individual in the manner described. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 27 17:33:13 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 14:12:56 2017. Would you rent a car ? |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 27 18:45:51 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 27 16:23:26 2017. Well, apparently according to community organizers, those illegals contribute everything except for paying their fare. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 27 18:46:09 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 27 15:03:46 2017. Because this is the nonsense we Americans have to hear every day by libtards. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Feb 27 18:49:28 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 14:12:56 2017. Why do you hate trains so much? |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 27 19:13:35 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 14:12:56 2017. Why? |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 27 19:13:35 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 14:12:56 2017. Why? |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:22:47 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Feb 27 19:13:35 2017. Read the article and you'll see why. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 27 20:26:41 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Nilet on Mon Feb 27 18:49:28 2017. Because of the passport controls in them. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:26:48 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 27 18:46:09 2017. Indeed.Besides, the light rail doesn't go to Penn Station anymore (except in unusual circumstances), and the PCCs are gone. I got to see it while both were still going. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 03:22:01 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 27 15:03:46 2017. I don't think it went that far, but it went pretty damn close.Sounds a lot like "papers, please!" Then again, I have issues with requiring ID for Greyhound and Amtrak... |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 28 06:39:00 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:26:48 2017. In 1993, we had a charter, took a LRV from Penn Station to South Hills Village, via Allentown. At SH Village , we transferred to a PCC for a ride to Drake loop and back. That was a fun trip:) |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 09:58:53 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 28 06:39:00 2017. I miss the route numbers too. Even the quirky alpha suffixes. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Feb 28 10:45:19 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 03:22:01 2017. I have issues with requiring ID for Greyhound and Amtrak...They're worried about one being hijacked to Cuba. :) |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Michael549 on Tue Feb 28 14:04:22 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 27 16:23:26 2017. I do not see how this is really any different from the fare checks that are done on the SBS buses in NYC in most of the boroughs.Except for Staten Island where SBS fares are paid on the bus, in all of the other cases - folks simply have to show their fare tickets. Those without tickets get talked to, or have to deal with the fare checker officers. Again (except for Staten Island) there are fare ticket machines at each of the bus stops for folks to pay their fare. I don't see why any person should have a problem - if they simply pay their fare, and show their ticket when asked. Mike |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Feb 28 15:28:02 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:22:47 2017. I did. I don't know of any transit system that has spot checks by police officers on transit systems that are on the honor systems that racially profile. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Feb 28 15:41:41 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 09:58:53 2017. People understood them ,also. This Red Line, Blue Line , Brown Line , does nothing for me. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Feb 28 15:45:57 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Michael549 on Tue Feb 28 14:04:22 2017. Some of it relates to the current attention to immigration issues. As an example, NYC does not fingerprint fare beaters as a regular policy (there can be special circumstances) so ICE is not notified. Some people are concerned that fare inspection as implemented in some cities could result in a change in what a particular agency is presently doing. That is the behind the scenes message. I'm sure there are legions of folks on different sides of the underlying question, but that is (my opinion only) not a subject for this for section of the board. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 28 16:30:03 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by orange blossom special on Mon Feb 27 18:46:09 2017. Clever response as always. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 28 17:32:26 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 27 20:26:48 2017. Once the North Shore route was built, I believe the Penn Station route was completely severed. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 28 18:37:04 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Feb 28 15:28:02 2017. That's the point of the article, all right.But since I don't like POP on top of their sanctimony, and because I miss the PCCs on that system (subways still have the low platforms they stopped at), I'll be avoiding it if I ever visit PGH in the future. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 22:12:06 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Feb 28 15:28:02 2017. Most of the "honor system" systems out there randomly select whole cars or stations to check tickets. Profiling would be impossible (Unless they pick stations in ethnic neighborhoods more often - easily solved by checking all stations equally and having the on board crews check successive vehicles between stops until reaching the terminal, then repeat until the other terminal, etc). |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 1 00:31:53 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Feb 28 22:12:06 2017. "Easily" solved? or how much would it cost? |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 1 12:01:28 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by pragmatist on Tue Feb 28 15:45:57 2017. Who told you that? If someone is locked up for T.O.S. P.L. 165.15(3), and is either getting a D.A.T. or going through the system, you must CERTAINLY are getting printed. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 1 12:01:30 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by pragmatist on Tue Feb 28 15:45:57 2017. Who told you that? If someone is locked up for T.O.S. P.L. 165.15(3), and is either getting a D.A.T. or going through the system, you must CERTAINLY are getting printed. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 1 12:01:30 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by pragmatist on Tue Feb 28 15:45:57 2017. Who told you that? If someone is locked up for T.O.S. P.L. 165.15(3), and is either getting a D.A.T. or going through the system, you must CERTAINLY are getting printed. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 1 12:05:39 2017, in response to Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 27 13:00:04 2017. Instead of racially profiling, why don't they just concentrate on checking for fares in the high-crime neighborhoods instead? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Mar 1 14:23:41 2017, in response to Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless, posted by TransitChuckG on Mon Feb 27 13:00:04 2017. But they will gender profile. That's for sure. |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 1 18:05:57 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 1 12:01:30 2017. they don't use TOS to avoid the misdemeanor and keep it out of criminal court for the last few years in NYC |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 1 18:12:54 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 1 18:05:57 2017. They created something called "The Transit Adjudication Bureau" and issue a rule violation for "entering without payment" It is considered civil not criminal, hence the no prints, and no criminal record.... |
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Posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 1 18:12:54 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 1 18:05:57 2017. They created something called "The Transit Adjudication Bureau" and issue a rule violation for "entering without payment" It is considered civil not criminal, hence the no prints, and no criminal record.... |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 1 20:55:26 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 1 00:31:53 2017. A moving team is still cheaper than having a conductor on every train. That is how Phoenix does it (not sure about Denver). The guards/inspectors on both systems are ever-present too, it's impossible to complete a trip without seeing one. Compare to HBLR where I've heard rumors of ticket checkers but not seen one in years. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 1 21:36:35 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Mar 1 20:55:26 2017. A moving team is still cheaper than having a conductor on every trainProbably not. Especially with the numbers required, like I said. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 2 04:21:01 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 1 18:12:54 2017. That's a;so been around for years as well. But I'm referring to being charged with T.O.S. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 2 06:40:04 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Mar 2 04:21:01 2017. If you were criminally charged, of course that would be true. But the city made it a point not to do that. I'm sure there is a way a person could make himself a collar, but that is not what happens in the greatest majority of cases. They don't want to pay PD overtime, they don't want to pay the cost of processing, and they don't want the guilty to have a criminal record. I don't know what surrounding jurisdictions are doing, but that is the policy in NYC. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 2 07:46:20 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by pragmatist on Wed Mar 1 18:12:54 2017. But you do have to give them your name, and if that rings a bell, well... bye bye Johnny!ROAR |
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Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh] |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Mar 2 09:38:51 2017, in response to Re: Port Authority says it won't use racial profiling when T system goes cashless [Pittsburgh], posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Mar 2 07:46:20 2017. That's the idea in theory behind catching repeat offenders, it doesn't work as well as it should. It is political/social not practical law enforcement based. The old way used to turn up lots of out of state stuff, old failure to appears and the like. They do it this way to deliberately avoid that. I am not advocating for or against, I'm just telling it like it is being done. |
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