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Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017 SF Chronicle |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue Feb 21 03:31:50 2017, in response to Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017. The electrification of the peninsula rail route has been under discussions in the region for at least 30 years. Is it necessary? No; other passenger railroads, such as the Burlington Northern Santa Fe route between Chicago and Aurora has long operated successfully with very close passenger station spacings. And I suspect that electrification of New York area diesel railroads would yield a higher return on investment than San Francisco. This is a project designed only to consume federal funds because they are available, not a project that will fail in the absence of such funds. The project would not be pursued, absent federal funding, with local funds. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Feb 21 08:07:08 2017, in response to Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017. And it was not really the Trump administration who put the kabosh on it. Republican legislators in the area did that and Trump mearly approved their suggestions.There is enough on his plate, thangs that can be put off, should be put off. |
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Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 21 09:38:57 2017, in response to Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017. The malfeasance of former FTA officials is not an action by the "Trump administration". And not electrifying as fast as the envirowackos want ($2 billion, or $41 million per mile from SF to Tamien, no electrification to Gilroy, replacing push-pull with EMU when buying electric locos for the push-pull cars would be more financially responsible presuming going forward with electrification) is not a "setback"; trains will still operate. Why do you hate trains so much? |
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Re: Trump administration deals setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Jace on Tue Feb 21 11:50:01 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 21 09:38:57 2017. You do realize that Caltrain already ordered 16 EMU trainsets from Stadler. With contracts signed, it shades of Rob Ford/Metrolinx... |
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Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 21 16:48:48 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 21 09:38:57 2017. Why are you a self-hating fascist? |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 21 17:33:35 2017, in response to Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017. The California Republicans are conflating this with the HSR project. But I do not think the world will crack if they keep running 6 car diesel trains. If they do electrify, how will they run the Gilroy service (beyond San Jose) ? |
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Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 21 20:15:30 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals setback to Caltrain, posted by Jace on Tue Feb 21 11:50:01 2017. Hasn't "Moonbeam" Brown raised taxes in CA enough without his planned 45% gas tax hike? And he still needs to lean on DC for his overpriced electrification scheme? ($41 million per mile, remember. Ridiculously overpriced.)The FTA kerfuffle is not on Trump either way. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 22 08:34:01 2017, in response to Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017. Fake news. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Wed Feb 22 21:59:09 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by Joe V on Tue Feb 21 17:33:35 2017. think about NYC N of Croton Harmon. |
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Re: Trump administration deals no big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 23 02:00:08 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 22 08:34:01 2017. Really fake news. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Feb 23 13:51:38 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by BusMgr on Tue Feb 21 03:31:50 2017. I think you underestimate the population density on the peninsula between San Jose and San Francisco |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 23 13:56:57 2017, in response to Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017. You just can't help yourself. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Feb 23 14:33:05 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by BusMgr on Tue Feb 21 03:31:50 2017. Perhaps if you had experience of this line, and of class A service such as the IC Suburban provided in the 50s, your opinion would be different. Caltrain ridership has been growing. Making the trans faster, and more frequent will generate more ridership. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 23 17:34:47 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 23 13:56:57 2017. Just posting an interesting train article I came across. You got a problem with that? |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Feb 23 21:40:51 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by BusMgr on Tue Feb 21 03:31:50 2017. No; other passenger railroads, such as the Burlington Northern Santa Fe route between Chicago and Aurora has long operated successfully with very close passenger station spacings.Yes, it "runs", but it doesn't mean that it's a third rate service when compared to what it could be if Metra figured out how wire works, or how first world countries run railway service. If there's any railway that screams electrification outside of NYC, it's Caltrain. IIRC, it's a roughly 60k per day line in terms of ridership, so it's actually equivalent to the stuff that would be electrified here. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Feb 23 22:24:55 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Feb 23 21:40:51 2017. And a nearly balanced "inbound-outbound" market w/ suburbanites heading to SF and SF residents heading to Sillicon Valley. And FWIW carry considerably more riders than ever. (including WWII--not very many have that metric) |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Feb 23 22:32:33 2017, in response to Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017. Maybe it wasn't the Trump Administration at all. Maybe it was the fact that the contract was given to the husband of Senator Diane Feinstein had something to do with it. |
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Re: Trump administration deals no big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 00:52:30 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 23 13:56:57 2017. The state shouldn't be spending $40 million per mile on the project. Never mind half a billion on sixteen EMUs (which is about $30M per trainset). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 24 00:59:17 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Feb 23 13:51:38 2017. That has no bearing on the inflated costs of the project. And there are ways to speed up existing trains to get additional service going, besides. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Feb 24 04:58:17 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Feb 23 22:32:33 2017. Can you cite an article to support that accusation? |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Feb 24 04:58:44 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 23 17:34:47 2017. How dare you! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 24 06:07:06 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Feb 24 04:58:17 2017. It's an alternative fact. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Feb 24 12:24:15 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Feb 24 04:58:17 2017. You KNOW how the present administration works by now...there are facts,and then,there are FACTS CALLED ALTERNATE TRUTHS. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Feb 24 13:58:42 2017, in response to Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017. The article says "it" a lot, like I'm in the inside joke, while blaming a guy who is in a state's right party.Smells fishy. |
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Re: A big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 24 14:48:55 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by italianstallion on Thu Feb 23 17:34:47 2017. Corrected. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Feb 24 16:03:06 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 24 06:07:06 2017. When the closest article was a refutation of that claim from 2013, I was sure that he was wrong.I wonder what it's like, when faced with with the fact that the things you say are false, to not admit your error. I wouldn't know, since I'm a thoughtful, knowledgable liberal. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Feb 24 16:05:39 2017, in response to Re: A big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Feb 24 14:48:55 2017. Secretary Chao is a member of the Trump administration by virtue of being a cabinet member. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 24 18:13:39 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Feb 24 16:05:39 2017. It's like talking to a child, isn't it? |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Feb 24 20:45:07 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 24 18:13:39 2017. Nah, a child would likely express a desire to learn. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat Feb 25 04:57:57 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Feb 23 21:40:51 2017. All of that is consistent with the stated proposition, i.e., it is not "necessary" because it does run (and it must be running fairly well given that it is attracting the number of passengers stated). And it may perform better with additional infrastructure, e.g., electrification. But it has been talked about over and over again, for 30 to 40 years. They just don't want to spend local money; they want to spend other people's money instead. And presumably to gold-plate the system, electrified all the way to Gilroy. In the northeast, it was the NYC and PRR that paid for most all of the electrification (and in Chicago, the IC and South Shore). But in California, home of using OPM for local projects, they just don't seem willing to pay their own way. Don't blame Mr. Trump, look to Mr. Brown. |
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Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Feb 25 06:03:32 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 21 16:48:48 2017. He's not self-hating. He's just absolutely convinced that if we switched over to feudalism or Randianism, he would definitely be one of the lords and not one of the serfs because he's a special little snowflake.They come to Rapture thinking they're gonna be captains of industry, but they all forget that somebody's gotta scrub the toilets. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Alan Follett on Sun Feb 26 11:40:09 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by BusMgr on Sat Feb 25 04:57:57 2017. Electrification south of San Jose-Tamien would be wasteful if we're dealing only with the Peninsula commuter service; Caltrain currently runs only three weekday round trips through to Gilroy. A few dual power locomotives, or even an engine change at San Jose, would be good enough for that level of service. However, the HSR line, if that ever gets built (I'm not betting my lunch money on that happening in my lifetime), would also use the San Jose-Gilroy segment. Probably electrification of that stretch would be funded separately from the Caltrain project.Alan Follett Hercules, CA |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 26 19:02:28 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by BusMgr on Sat Feb 25 04:57:57 2017. PRR got FDR alphabet money (Reconstruction Finance Corp) for the electrification/modernization project. IC had the city forcing them to quit polluting w/ steam engines, and South Shore was owned by an electric utility magnate. FWIW, it was FDR's New Deal which outlawed cross ownership between electricity sellers and electrified RRs.As to "OPM" California is a net donor to the loser Red states. If we simply kept fed taxes levied within the state and received NOTHING from DC we would be ahead financially. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 26 19:26:13 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 26 19:02:28 2017. Good post. |
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Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Feb 26 22:30:15 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain, posted by Nilet on Sat Feb 25 06:03:32 2017. The name Rapture is very misleading. It sounds like it would be a bunch of Christian believers waiting for Jesus to "Rapture" them to heaven, but apparently that's not what this is at all. |
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Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 23:02:26 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain, posted by Nilet on Sat Feb 25 06:03:32 2017. He's just absolutely convinced that if we switched over to feudalism or RandianismI don't subscribe to either. Seems all you can do is lie. Why do you hate trains so much? |
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Re: Trump administration deals no big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 23:03:14 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 26 19:02:28 2017. As to "OPM" California is a net donor to the loser Red statesFalse. Debunked ages and ages ago. |
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Re: Trump administration deals no big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 26 23:36:20 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals no big setback to Caltrain, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 23:03:14 2017. maybe in your alternate universe. But in the real world we are net donors. |
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Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Nilet on Mon Feb 27 01:17:41 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals no setback to Caltrain, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 23:02:26 2017. I don't subscribe to either.Then what do you subscribe to? Shall I bring the LoQOCA back out again? Why do you hate trains so much? LOL! Classic Olog. I mean, it lacks the sheer pants-on-head crazy of this (or maybe this, this, or this), but it's got that sound-bite-non-sequitur crazy. |
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Re: Trump administration deals no big setback to Caltrain |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Feb 27 08:36:11 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals no big setback to Caltrain, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 26 23:36:20 2017. Olog-hai uses alternative facts. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Feb 27 10:19:26 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by italianstallion on Fri Feb 24 18:13:39 2017. 
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Feb 27 10:19:57 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by displaced angeleno on Fri Feb 24 20:45:07 2017.
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Feb 27 17:40:47 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals no big setback to Caltrain, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Feb 26 23:36:20 2017. With several exceptions (California is not one of them), Blue states are donors, Red states are recipients. For the federal gas tax, that does not hold up. |
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Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Feb 28 19:25:27 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain Electrification, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Feb 27 10:19:57 2017. Is that person simultaneously raising the middle finger and holding an egg? |
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Trump administration approves $650 million grant for Caltrain electrification |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 22 18:08:04 2017, in response to Trump administration deals a big setback to Caltrain, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 20 17:54:39 2017. Associated Press
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Re: Trump administration approves $650 million grant for Caltrain electrification |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon May 22 18:10:11 2017, in response to Trump administration approves $650 million grant for Caltrain electrification, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 22 18:08:04 2017. Well, that is surprising. But welcome. |
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Re: Trump administration approves $650 million grant for Caltrain electrification |
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Posted by #5 - Dyre Ave on Mon May 22 18:34:46 2017, in response to Re: Trump administration approves $650 million grant for Caltrain electrification, posted by italianstallion on Mon May 22 18:10:11 2017. Now if SAS Phase 2 (and maybe at least part of Phase 3) could get some Federal funding. Though MTA better figure out how to significantly bring down that $6 Billion cost estimate for Phase 2 first... |
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