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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:24:16 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 21 01:07:27 2016.

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Actually, no. Civil service employees are paid by the public and everything they do needs to be (and in some cases is legally required to be) public.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by shiznit1987 on Sun Aug 21 10:29:22 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:16:53 2016.

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I thought third track layups were stopped as a matter of policy system-wide in the 80s due to the graffiti epidemic.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 10:39:19 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:24:16 2016.

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There really should be fewer of them. As in private-sector buses and trains.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Aug 21 11:21:54 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:18:21 2016.

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First time in 15 years of employment I have seen this.. So show me an example maybe that would help...

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Railman718 on Sun Aug 21 11:23:52 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:19:03 2016.

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Good for them while these rail fans are at it they can post their work schedules and how much their job pays... Easy !

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Aug 21 11:55:56 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sun Aug 21 11:21:54 2016.

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Proof that some employees are their own worst enemy.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Aug 21 12:05:24 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by AlM on Sat Aug 20 15:54:08 2016.

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Precisely! What harm? Except where a person intent on causing havoc could, knowing the schedule, pick up a train operators job. He could then abandon the train in a river tunnel at the height of rush hour or commit an act of terrorism. But I'm sure you know better.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 21 12:30:51 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 18:48:25 2016.

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Decades ago the Transit Authority published small time-tables for each of the train lines.

These time-tables would indicate which trains were running where, which trains short-turned where, which trains were laid-up at the ends of their runs.

For those who were interested in the inner workings of the subways, and who could sit for a while closely reading the schedules - these time-tables were a gold mine of information.

The current documents should be looked at in that manner.

Mike

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 21 12:37:07 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Aug 21 12:05:24 2016.

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You mean there is no security keeping unauthorized personnel out of yards where T/Os pick up trains?

As for cases where a T/O picks up a train in a station, who needs a schedule for that? At end stations, the T/O puts on the brakes and walks away. The next T/O shows up a few minutes later. There must be security (and I'm not asking what that is) to keep any random person from taking hold of the train in the mean time.




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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Sun Aug 21 14:17:32 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by AlM on Sun Aug 21 12:37:07 2016.

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As if it's never happened before?

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 21 14:18:33 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 10:39:19 2016.

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As in private-sector buses and trains.

Yeah, they'll treat them like shit.




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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by R30A on Sun Aug 21 15:05:35 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Aug 21 07:21:53 2016.

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I think the issue is that there is not the room in the 60th street tunnel for them. Otherwise, they'd probably go to Astoria.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by AlM on Sun Aug 21 15:20:55 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by R30A on Sun Aug 21 15:05:35 2016.

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There ought to be room. When an N or Q currently is destined for 57th in the AM, it leaves a little gap in local service north of 42nd. That N or Q could just as well have been routed onto the local track north of 34th and gone through the tunnel. They just didn't see the need to send it to Astoria because Astoria gets enough service from the trains they do send there.



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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 17:06:11 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Aug 21 14:18:33 2016.

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No guarantee of that.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by priya12 on Sun Aug 21 17:12:02 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Michael549 on Sun Aug 21 12:30:51 2016.

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I wonder if the idiots at Labor Relations would go after an employee for posting internal documents such as this? I hear they have nothing better to do....

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Aug 21 17:30:47 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Eric B on Sat Aug 20 15:14:36 2016.

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That could cause significant confusion among the public. This wouldn't just be a few runs to Whitehall- to the pubic, it will look like a separate service. It should be labeled as such...I think.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 21 17:32:11 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by priya12 on Sun Aug 21 17:12:02 2016.

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Under FOIA, they would be hard put to do it assuming they could even find the individual employee who posted it in the first place.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Aug 21 17:42:50 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Aug 21 17:06:11 2016.

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unless you are willing to learn from history

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by ftgreeneg on Sun Aug 21 17:57:02 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by randyo on Sat Aug 20 22:21:33 2016.

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I think the key there is not having extra trains running through the tube that wasnt bf. This case the N's that always terminated at 57th st to lay up or put in at/from City Hall Yd will now go an extra couple stops to 96th st and do the same thing. Without dealing with interfering with 3 lines in the tube and bottlenecking Queensboro Plaza.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Aug 21 18:00:05 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by priya12 on Sun Aug 21 17:12:02 2016.

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They also did this for buses before the website was taken down.
LaGuardia Depot

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Aug 21 18:01:48 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by priya12 on Sun Aug 21 17:12:02 2016.

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I just archived the B Division pick schedule so it is not lost.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Allen45 on Sun Aug 21 18:46:34 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Aug 21 18:00:05 2016.

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Lgaunion.com hasn't been taken down.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Aug 21 18:55:36 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Allen45 on Sun Aug 21 18:46:34 2016.

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the link did not work though

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Allen45 on Sun Aug 21 19:19:23 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Aug 21 18:55:36 2016.

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The link to the winter 2016 pick has been taken down. But the fall and summer 2016 pick is up online. This is done to avoid taking up bandwidth space as many of these Union websites are created using free website platforms like webs.com

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Aug 21 19:22:49 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Allen45 on Sun Aug 21 19:19:23 2016.

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OK.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 21 19:37:37 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sun Aug 21 11:23:52 2016.

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Why should they unless they are also public employees??????

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 21 19:38:29 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Andrew Saucci on Sat Aug 20 18:48:25 2016.

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The MTA isn't going to waste valuable space on a public server
It wouldn't be a waste as the space is not valuable.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Aug 21 19:40:35 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Allen45 on Sun Aug 21 19:19:23 2016.

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So why don't the unions simply pay the minimal fee to have a real, paid website with decent storage/bandwidth?

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 23 01:58:30 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:24:16 2016.

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As a civil service employee I agree.

Also See Through NY is the only way I can tell how important people I correspond with are. We have a policy to sign our emails with our job titles, but it is completely unenforced and less than half actually do.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 02:42:18 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Aug 23 01:58:30 2016.

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it makes no sense to me.

If my tax dollars entitle me to know the salary of civil service employees, shouldn't being a customer at a store entitle me to know the salaries of all workers from management to the cashiers?

Or having a bank account in a bank entitle me to employee salary info?

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by subfan on Tue Aug 23 05:03:31 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 02:42:18 2016.

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You don't own the store or the bank. The taxpayer, though, does "own" the government.

Not saying I agree or disagree with the individual data for each employee being in the public domain, but there is at least some logic to it.

subfan

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 23 07:21:45 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by subfan on Tue Aug 23 05:03:31 2016.

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Absolutely correct. Pwn3d.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 23 07:21:53 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 02:42:18 2016.

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No.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by subfan on Tue Aug 23 08:15:41 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 23 07:21:45 2016.

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Not trying to "pwn" anyone. There's also contrary logic - shareholders in a public corporation are not entitled to know the exact salary of each employee, after all. There are, of course, reasons to distinguish the public and private sectors, so these are not fully analogous - the only point I was making is that there can be more than one reasonable view on the issue.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Aug 23 08:54:02 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by subfan on Tue Aug 23 08:15:41 2016.

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I know you weren't trying but a pwn's a pwn...

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 23 11:01:07 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 02:42:18 2016.

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No.
It doesn't.
Private corporations do not have to inform the public concerning wages and salaries.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 23 14:36:56 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 21 09:24:16 2016.

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What disturbs me about newspaper articles that publicize the salaries and overtime of various employees is that nowhere is it taken into account the fact that most of these employees are making these salaries due to the policies of the various government agencies who employ them. It is not a T/O’s fault if he/she is required to pick a run that works 9:59 and pays virtually 11 hours since those are the types of runs generated by the NYCTA schedule section. Even titles that were traditionally only 8 hour tours like Tw/Os and T/Ds are now expanded to cover 9 or 10 hours to avoid having to schedule an additional tour to cover necessary work. That is often not the fault of the individual employee but rather than TA that schedules the job. There are some instances of greedy employees who do grasp at every chance to make an extra buck that is not the situation in every case.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 15:27:22 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 23 14:36:56 2016.

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No doubt you are correct in the majority of cases. That said, the egregious over time earnings of the minority of workers gaming the system do need to be pointed at. In CA the PUC has instituted hours of service limits which inherently control some of the abuses.

Now, from an entirely different industry, a friend who was temping in the payroll dept at CBS back in the 60s told me that there were weeks bracketing space shots when Walter Cronkite's paycheck was the highest in the company--more than even Bill Paley who owned CBS. (Those of us of a certain age will remember thathe stayed on air for very extended times.)

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Aug 23 15:50:59 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 15:27:22 2016.

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LOL supposing that a bus operator calls in sick and the only person willing to work his job is the top earner in that garage. Do you pay that driver to work the job or do you leave it open and inconvenience hundreds of riders on that route?

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 16:16:09 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Aug 23 15:50:59 2016.

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Several transit agencies I am familiar with maintain an extra board of workers who show up andare paid a partial dayfor being available and at the job site. I jhave no personal onus against a worker rolling out the service and getting paid. I, do, however believe that the agency should roster enough qualified workers that not outs account no employee should not occur. FWIW I received the SF Muni daily reports which detailed exactly those issues--not outs even by route in some cases though not run #--for several years as a member of Rescue Muni during a particularly ugly period of smoke and mirrors budget fakery. In that time period, mgmt maintained inadequate staffing in order to meet decreased budgets, addicted workers to regular overtime, and ran out of OT budget several months early in each fiscal year. Then they reprogrammed spare parts funds to get service on the street while stacking up OOS vehicles account no parts. As soon as the new fiscal year hit they were busy playing catch up on repairs. "Hell of a way to run a railroad"

Bottom line. Fair pay for a fair day's work. The financial logic behind runninganhour or two of OT on most shifts is that the extra wages don't incur extra health care premiums (and I would suspect cheap enough increases in pension deductions though kicking the pension payouts down the road) that the bean counters think they are doing the right maneuvers. If you actually believe in an 8 hour day, this is of course crazy. I, of course think, that upper magmt should be docked for every not out run such that the CEO has a serious economic investmewnt in running a better railroad.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 16:33:46 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Edwards! on Tue Aug 23 11:01:07 2016.

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Only the hourly base pay should be public info.

I think one reason government wants salaries to be public is to turn the public against civil servants.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 23 16:39:56 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 16:16:09 2016.

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I agree that ideally, a transit agency should maintain a roster of sufficient employees to avoid OT and/or dropped trips, but unfortunately that is not the reality and speaking at least for there NYCTA, the agency would rather pay overtime hours than hire extra personnel who as you indicated would increase costs due to additional fringe benefits being paid which OT would not incur.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 23 16:40:36 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 16:16:09 2016.

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I agree that ideally, a transit agency should maintain a roster of sufficient employees to avoid OT and/or dropped trips, but unfortunately that is not the reality and speaking at least for there NYCTA, the agency would rather pay overtime hours than hire extra personnel who as you indicated would increase costs due to additional fringe benefits being paid which OT would not incur.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Aug 23 16:43:04 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 23 16:39:56 2016.

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Precisely

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 16:46:57 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 15:27:22 2016.

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the minority of workers gaming the system do need to be pointed at.

They aren't gaming the system, and they don't need to be pointed at.

Why do you loathe people who voluntarily work overtime? Why should they be treated like they're doing something wrong.

Agencies benefit financially from a workforce that voluntarily works overtime.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 17:37:57 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Aug 23 16:43:04 2016.

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Well, that is the problem isn't it? We whine about taxes because the overly rich have bought out of paying anywhere near enough so the working classes (there is NO real middle class anymore)are paying too much. Much of transit where I live is supported by sales tax--the most regressive tax. (and why do you think so many online places advertise no sales tax?) We need a return to the income tax rates of the Eisenhower era, a complete redo of healthcare, and total replacement of all of the pension plans with upgraded Soc Sec.
Ah, well, that will all occur the day the full SAS opens, right?

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 17:49:24 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 16:46:57 2016.

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First, because at SF Muni some years back we had people claiming and being paid over 80 hours a week. Second, because, if you think a forty hour workweek is enough time to spend away from family, sleep, encouraging many workers to do 48 or more reduces the totality of full time jobs available. We have a "surplus" of potential workers already, encouraging more OT only exacerbates the issue.
As to volunteering, in my life, since I basically set my own hours, yes I put in as many or few as it takes to meet my goals for the day/project. Third, I agree w/ the rules of both FRA and CA PUC as to a daily limit on hours of service and mandatory minimum rest between shifts. I want the workers to be safe--not nodding off because of sleep deficits. When I am overly tired, I don't think straight; thus I am a less proficient worker.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Aug 23 18:06:02 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 23 16:33:46 2016.

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I actually agree here. I can't stand the way newspapers publically villianize individual workers for making OT putting there salaries out there like that. I can speak for transit and say that the person making that huge salary from OT are out there busting their ass sacrificing free time with their families, missing holiday's, graduations, birthdays ccountless events to make that money and if you are on the front lines risk your life for every extra cent they make.

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by R2Chinatown on Tue Aug 23 23:38:14 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 17:37:57 2016.

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Beats me. Accountant says "pay X" & I write the check. Transit expenses don't bother me as much as failed social programs but then, that's for OTChat, isn't it?

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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 24 13:51:35 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Aug 23 18:06:02 2016.

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yup.

Civil servant salaries should not be public info.



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