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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Aug 24 16:27:11 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 17:26:35 2016. The document is not stamped "MTA Internal Use Only" or "MTA Confidential" anywhere, is it? I supposed one could argue that since it is not stamped as such, it is not internal use only and one is free to do with it as they please. Common sense? Well, that's another issue entirely ....--Mark |
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It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Aug 24 18:34:26 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sat Aug 20 12:15:03 2016. GUYS! It was posted by a transit employee on facebook. Can y'all stop your yapping about whether it should be posted or not. I did not decide to do it. The transit employee did not see any harm in doing it, and if it was so horrible, then they will get punished. Also, it is not like there is anything harmful here. It is not the final document showing which T/O has which run. Then I would see a problem. A blank document. NO. |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Aug 24 20:32:30 2016, in response to It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Aug 24 18:34:26 2016. How do you know he would get punished? Did he post it publicly? Or to a closed group? Or to only his friends? Can you post a link? |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Wed Aug 24 20:50:53 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Aug 24 20:32:30 2016. I never said that he would get punished. I don't have the link. The link of the document was shared to me on NYCTF, not the link to the Facebook post. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Michael549 on Wed Aug 24 21:34:24 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Aug 23 16:16:09 2016. I have a few questions, but I want to get a few issues out of the way first.I understand the points that you and others have made on this particular topic, a transit agency having either enough workers to handle outages of employees, or paying on-duty employees over-time to cover for absent employees. I'm not arguing the merits of either side of this issue, or if the salaries should or should not be publicized. Understand I am not talking about the WHAT was said, but rather the HOW it was said. Yes, I'm talking about the English - the wording being used. Here's the particular sentence: "I, do, however believe that the agency should roster enough qualified workers that not outs account no employee should not occur." The particular words are "that not outs account no employee should not occur." That is a tough working sentence - even though I get the gist. And another sentence: "I received the SF Muni daily reports which detailed exactly those issues -- not outs even by route ..." ------ Does "not outs" mean a bus or train that is taken out of service or the schedule due to a lack of personnel? Or a situation where a bus or train would have been taken out of service or the schedule due to the lack of personnel? But an employee was found able to cover that run (over-time or not). Do transit agencies make a list of train or bus runs that might not have run, except there was a person willing to do over-time, or to take over that shift? Just wondering. Mike |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by lirr42 on Wed Aug 24 22:12:22 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 24 13:51:35 2016. Since public authorities are funded largely with taxpayer money, the taxpayers are entitled to this information, including payroll data and documents that might be considered 'internal', to use as they see fit. The opinions taxpayers form from the information are just that--you might not agree with them, but everyone is entitled to their opinion. If you're not a fan, then perhaps working for a public organization isn't for your.The laws as they are codified in the NYCRR are based on a presumption of access, meaning members of the public are free to obtain copies of whatever documents or records they want, unless they meet some specific criteria for exclusion. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Wed Aug 24 23:26:31 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by ftgreeneg on Tue Aug 23 18:06:02 2016. Blame FOIL. If anything the website at least provides context. If the site weren't there, the press would FOIL the data, cherry pick some examples to prove some point and they would be able to get away with even more truth distortion. If they try to say "look at this Metro-North engineer making 200k+" you can then point to "look at this basketball coach making 600k+". |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Aug 25 00:16:54 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Michael549 on Wed Aug 24 21:34:24 2016. First, I regret you found my word use problematic. Second, IIRC "not out" was the Muni "term of art" for a run which never left the barn. As to the "dailies", this was an off again on again struggle w/Muni mgmt. At a particular Rescue Muni mtg w/the Executive Director (Mr Burns, LOL) I was the one who asked for them and he agreed to have it done. When he was replaced, I was cut off, no reason given--the emails simply ceased. Yet another change at the top, not only did I start getting them, but they were posted on Muni's website. I should note that the formats, the actual data, level of detail varied widely over the years. More recently I was again cut off and the reports have disappeared from the website.A couple of months ago, I purged what I thought was my entire archive; turns out I still have a very random selection probably mis filed by me on receipt. And at least the two I have looked at do not use "not out" So much for my memory. So, trying to make this more comprehensible, I meant to convey, that I believe that a transit agency should roster enough T/Os, or Bus/Os such that the scheduled service can be run. Some years the Muni dailies had a chart of absenteeism by division(barn) detailing sick, planned vacation, unplanned, other. Some years they reported runs covered by RDO OT, other years they did not. The reports had begun as an early morning heads up for top management, later as they became public documents muchless actual information was presented. So some years I could see that a given route which required say 5 coaches for the whole service in AM rush had 2 missing--really sucked for either school or job attendance. At other times we got a detailed summary of which sub-system failures were sidelining how many LRVs, or class of buses. I hope this makes more of this clear. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by transitbuff on Thu Aug 25 00:47:00 2016, in response to November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 19 19:36:28 2016. How are putins and dropoffs denoted on these tables? |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Aug 25 11:46:36 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Aug 25 00:16:54 2016. Please understand I'm not arguing the concepts, I simply did not immediately understand the word usage.Guys here have talked about "abandoned runs" to refer to a scheduled train or bus run that did not happen, and with adjustments to the schedule to maintain a consistent flow of trains. There may be other terms used. The MTA often talks about "train delays" and adjusting the scheduling of trains for the consistent flow of trains. I seem to remember discussions on this forum about train operators and conductors being assigned to "work as assigned" (or a similar term) as indicating a worker could be assigned to a train or bus run due to the lack of other regularly assigned personnel. "Not outs" referring to trains or buses that have not left the barn due to personnel issues is now clear. The impacts on the service provided to their riders would certainly be something to keep a track of. As a service provided issue, manpower and human resources issue - it truly makes sense to "make charts of absenteeism by division (barn) detailing sick, planned vacation, unplanned, other. Some years they reported runs covered by RDO OT, other years they did not." I fully agree with your statement: "I meant to convey, that I believe that a transit agency should roster enough T/Os, or Bus/Os such that the scheduled service can be run." Such "insider information" is extremely helpful to figure out what is going on. On another transit forum there is a discussion about the JFK Air-Train, and about how there is less service now than in previous years. The JFK Air-Train is a zero-person-operator-train system - so such manpower issues do not explain the less frequent service. Getting the "inside information" is a bit more difficult to try to understand the "why" of the less service provided. Thanks for being clear. Mike |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Aug 25 15:15:15 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Railman718 on Sun Aug 21 11:23:52 2016. If the public was paying my salary, I can't complain. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 25 17:14:01 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by transitbuff on Thu Aug 25 00:47:00 2016. They are not necessarily noted on work programs but they are clearly noted on the actual timetables. In many cases the existence of WAA on work program before a trip means that interval is a put in and the T/O on that trip is putting that train in service. If WAA is displayed after an arriving trip it usually means that trip is a layup and the T/O will be laying that train up. It’s not necessarily a hard and fast rule, but it is generally the case. In some cases, the T/O might be putting in the train ahead of his scheduled interval since it is more desirable at stub terminals like Metropolitan or Woodlawn to have the leaving crew in place and ready to depart rather than to bring the train into the terminal and having the put in crew walk to the opposite end of the train. Similarly, when trains are laid up, it is often the crew that brings the train in ahead of the lay up that actually lays up the train so that the terminal can be cleared as quickly as possible. In terminals like Brighton Beach or certain Stillwell terminals where trains can come directly out of the yard and go in service without changing ends the put in crew usually remains on the train to operate it in passenger service and the reverse occurs with layups at those locations. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Aug 25 17:24:33 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Michael549 on Thu Aug 25 11:46:36 2016. my pleasure. Transit jargon is like any other speecial use of ordinary words. Most of us understand Mean Distance Between Failures; one bus agency where I live says Mean Time Between Road Calls. I prefer MDBF mostly because I think it is more commonly used. Sort of like the "military alphabet" discussed in another recent thread. It has majorly changed since I first learned it as a teen. And your example of the AirTrain is precisely why I believe in FOIA. When wearing my transit advocate hat, the more real data I have, the better chance of persuading the agency in question to improve. I describe my role as jousting against stainless steel windmills armed with a balsawood lance. But, as I am transit dependent, what choices do I have?I am dismayed that Muni no longer posts the data. |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Aug 26 07:00:08 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Aug 24 20:50:53 2016. Yes you did! You said that if it was so terrible, he would get punished! So I'm asking how you know he will get punished if it is something so terrible?You never saw the Facebook post? Then why did you post as fact that it came from Facebook and that it was posted by an employee?? You're just repeating second hand information. You should have said that "it is CLAIMED that an employee posted it to Facebook". And on top of all that, you are trusting information posted to NYCTF!!! LOL!!!! You have a lot to learn... |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 26 08:52:20 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Aug 26 07:00:08 2016. This person is trustworthy. This person is not one of the nubes who know nothing at all, tell horrible proposals, and claim that they are right. |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 26 09:18:31 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 26 08:52:20 2016. Maybe, or maybe not. But if he is so trustworthy, then why did he repost the document on NYCTF if the employee himself posted it privately on Facebook? THAT'S a violation of trust right there!Anyhow, you didn't answer this: Yes you did! You said that if it was so terrible, he would get punished! So I'm asking how you know he will get punished if it is something so terrible? |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 26 13:16:35 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 26 09:18:31 2016. Firstly, I never said that it was posted privately, but that is possible. I said that it was likely that IF it was a bad violation of transit rules then they would be punished. If it was a violation why would they go unpunished. Anyway, if it was a violation it would be foolish. |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 26 15:00:40 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Aug 26 07:00:08 2016. Yep.He has to learn how much of a word humper you are,And how much you suffer from ASSHOLE-ism. Lastly,he HAS to learn that justifing ANYTHING to you is a wasted EFFORT,AND such an act should be avoided. Just sayin... |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by transitbuff on Fri Aug 26 16:37:41 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 25 17:14:01 2016. Thanks, Randyo. |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Aug 26 17:12:25 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by Union Tpke on Fri Aug 26 13:16:35 2016. I assumed it was posted privately because otherwise the guy on NYCTF could have just provided a direct link to the Facebook post. Also, a NYCT employee would be pretty stupid to post it publicly.I know what you said about the punishment. I knew what you said the first time you said it and now you've repeated ot twice and my question still stands. If it was posted privately to Facebook, and it was a violation, then how are you SURE that the guy would get punished??? How can you be SURE that NYCT would be able to find out who made a private posting??? Sure they MIGHT find out, but they also might not. So how can you use a punishment that may never happen as the parameter to figure out whether it was a violation or not???? For the purposes of this subthread, it doesn't matter if you think it would be foolish for it to be considered a violation. It only matters what NYCT thinks. |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Aug 26 17:16:34 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 26 15:00:40 2016. You're an idiot. So...? |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 26 20:00:16 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Aug 26 17:16:34 2016. You're an asshole?Absolutely. |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sat Aug 27 20:40:03 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Aug 26 07:00:08 2016. I know that you love proving others wrong so enjoy being proved wrong.You were wrong Terrapin |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Aug 30 11:08:30 2016, in response to It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by Union Tpke on Wed Aug 24 18:34:26 2016. Be that as it may, the MTA might not want it widely disseminated, but it is not proprietary information (it doesn't reveal trade secrets or methods or give information to competitors) and is the kind of thing you could no doubt obtain with a FOIA request.So chill. |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Aug 30 12:53:39 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by Edwards! on Fri Aug 26 20:00:16 2016. Nope. |
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Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Aug 30 12:58:01 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by Union Tpke on Sat Aug 27 20:40:03 2016. I know that you love proving others wrongNo, you're wrong. I do not love doing that. so enjoy being proved wrong.Why would I enjoy it? You were wrong TerrapinHuh? What was I wrong about Union Tpke? |
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Attn: Union Tpke -- Re: FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Sep 1 13:35:33 2016, in response to Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Aug 30 12:58:01 2016. bumpUnion Tpke, you haven't answered this yet. Re: It was posted by a TRANSIT EMPLOYEE ON FACEBOOK Re: November 6 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th (1406862) |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun Sep 4 03:27:37 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Union Tpke on Sun Aug 21 18:01:48 2016. N to 96 st is for about 3 or 4 runs.Check out page 529 including run #105 and 216. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun Sep 4 03:28:21 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri Aug 19 21:55:26 2016. The C had 3 north terminals and 3 south terminals in the past. |
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Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N |
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Posted by B1bus on Sun Sep 4 03:29:01 2016, in response to Re: November 6, 2016 B Division Pick N short-turns to 96th, W part of N, posted by Eric B on Sat Aug 20 15:14:36 2016. There are only 3 runs going there. |
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