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Posted by renee gil on Tue Apr 26 05:44:13 2016 |
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Posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 26 15:32:25 2016, in response to South 4th St, posted by renee gil on Tue Apr 26 05:44:13 2016. Ah, the days when the rapid transit debt funded stations that were never used, and now we spend billions to try to get a few lousy stations and two tracks on the Second Avenue subway completed. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 26 16:34:53 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by SLRT on Tue Apr 26 15:32:25 2016. And those few 2nd Ave stations will remain closed because of leaks, or some other problems, like the new Hudson yards on the #7. All I want are the kickbacks the MTA gets from these shoddy crooked contractors! |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Apr 26 21:03:27 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 26 16:34:53 2016. the kickbacks gop to the pols. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 26 22:01:57 2016, in response to South 4th St, posted by renee gil on Tue Apr 26 05:44:13 2016. The Sept 16th, 1929 edition of the Brooklyn Eagle has a nice article about the proposed routes through South 4th Street, brooklyn. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Tue Apr 26 22:10:35 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 26 22:01:57 2016. cool. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 27 15:57:44 2016, in response to South 4th St, posted by renee gil on Tue Apr 26 05:44:13 2016. How do they get in? |
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Posted by Renee gil on Wed Apr 27 18:55:54 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 27 15:57:44 2016. on the N/E of the southbound G line at Broadway station there is a darkened transfer tunnel that looks like a big empty space (passageway) that would have taken you to the upper level where the 6 track shell station is located. There is (or was) a gated door on the N/E of the northbound platform that also leads to the shell station via a steep ramp which would have been stairs if they were completed. I thought both entrances from Broadway G line station to S 4th street platforms were sealed up recently though. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 27 19:53:45 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Renee gil on Wed Apr 27 18:55:54 2016. Oh that's interesting |
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Posted by Renee gil on Wed Apr 27 20:16:20 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 27 19:53:45 2016. it is. broadway station (G line platforms) have false walls at the North end. about a third of S 4th street station extends north of the G line platform limits. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 27 21:25:23 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Renee gil on Wed Apr 27 20:16:20 2016. Oh It's basically a combined station built as one complex? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 27 21:28:20 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 26 22:01:57 2016. Thank you. :) |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 27 21:34:59 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 27 21:25:23 2016. South 4th st. shell is located just north of platforms of the Broadway station and one level above it.As I understand from people who've accessed it (legally), beyond the gate or false wall at the north end of both platforms are passageways that continue north - they would have been transfer passageways, from B'way to S.4th St. station. They contain provisions for stairways (steep ramps) to each of the platforms. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Wed Apr 27 23:14:40 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 27 21:34:59 2016. correct. exactly what I said. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 28 13:26:18 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 27 15:57:44 2016. The mezzanine level of this station is open at the south end only. There is a door to the north continuation of this mezzanine, which is used as a maintenance area and presumably connects to the South 4th St. platforms.Bob |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 28 14:16:12 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 27 21:34:59 2016. Since the tunnels woud have run under South 4th St, I wonder why the station wasn't called, "Union Ave", which is the intersecting street? |
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Posted by Renee gil on Thu Apr 28 14:37:30 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by GIS Man on Thu Apr 28 13:26:18 2016. I don't think they used the mezzanine to the South 4th St. platforms. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 28 17:26:54 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Renee gil on Wed Apr 27 23:14:40 2016. That explains why there are no exits or stairs on the north end of the station. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 28 17:28:30 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Renee gil on Thu Apr 28 14:37:30 2016. Are there subway vents for the S4th st station? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 17:47:52 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Elkeeper on Thu Apr 28 14:16:12 2016. Although most railfans do refer to it as “South 4th St” it’s highly possible that the station might have ultimately been called “Union Ave” if built since that is the thoroughfare it crosses. I have seen PSC reports on the building of the IRT and BMT that indicate names for stations that were planned but had different names when actually built. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 17:50:19 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 27 21:34:59 2016. Before that were removed during station rehab, Utica Av on the A also had steep ramps from the lower level platform to the upper level. They were sealed up inside what looked like heavy columns near the center of the platforms. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 28 17:58:19 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 17:47:52 2016. What is the name of the line that a train running to South 4th Street would serve ? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 18:02:54 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Elkeeper on Tue Apr 26 22:01:57 2016. As I mentioned in several posts on this topic, If the line were to have been built, the houses along the proposed route would have had be demolished since S 4 St does not run east of Union Ave and would have needed to be through routed like 6 Av in Manhattan between W 3 St and Canal St and Pitkin Av east of Ruby St Bkln. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 28 18:27:37 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Renee gil on Wed Apr 27 23:14:40 2016. saw N6's response to your explanation, and didn't realize that you had explained it in your prior post.I have seen photos of the transfer passageway (maybe you have too, or accessed it yourself?). It is very dusty with miscellaneous debris (IIRC) and sometimes, standing water. Photos of provisions for the stairways show the steep ramps. I'm assuming that each of the five platforms have provisions for stairways. Photos were taken on a legal group visit in the early 90s. Rope was somehow fastened up the side of the ramp, to wherever it could be attached in the station shell or on the provision itself. People then accessed the platform by pulling themselves up along the rope. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 18:30:51 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 28 17:58:19 2016. It could actually have several names depending on how much of it would actually have been built. Since it was to connect to the proposed Utica Av subway, it could be called by So 4 St Line, or Utica/Stuyvesant since it would be running under those streets also. The entire A Line in Bkln is called the “Fulton St Line" even though a large portion of it runs under Pitkin and Liberty Aves. The F line between Jay St and Church Ave is officially the “Smith St Line" even though only a small portion of the line is actually under Smith St. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 28 19:05:23 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 18:30:51 2016. So a train destined for S4th Street station might have been signed asS.4th ST UNION |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 19:59:42 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 28 19:05:23 2016. Possibly although I’m not sure if ant trains would have actually terminated there. OTOPH, if the line were named for the Utica leg, It might have read Utica-Union |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 28 21:41:53 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Renee gil on Thu Apr 28 14:37:30 2016. The tour of S4 I was told about/saw photos of, did include visiting this closed section of the full length mezzanine above the G's Broadway station.Photos did include views of wide double stairways (maybe triple wide?), as you might expect for such a large transfer point, from the street, down to some point along the walls of this now closed mezzanine area. I do not know if, or how, this mezzanine was or would have been designed to connect to any mezzanine above the S4th St. platforms Any details on the full length mezzanine/wide stairways provided by someone who has bben there would be welcomed. Thanks. - This was a private, non museum, tour maybe aroun '90 -'91 (?) arranged with the MTA for a small group of people. It may also have included a visit to the Utica St. subway shell (seen shapshots of this) and mid mezzanine there as well. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Thu Apr 28 22:23:22 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 28 21:41:53 2016. what I want to know is when the northern part of the mezzanine above the G's Broadway station closed? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 29 02:29:39 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Renee gil on Thu Apr 28 22:23:22 2016. I think I was told by someone (at the museums's transit history conference mid-1992) who was on the S4 tour that this section of the mezzanine was closed during the mid-1970's.- I know, that's not an exact informative answer at all being from memory. Maybe someone on this board knows an exact month/year for this closure. I used the 2nd Ave.-Houston station during spring 1971 and remember its full length mezz. still being open then. |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Apr 29 12:24:53 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Apr 28 17:28:30 2016. no |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 29 13:03:50 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 28 17:58:19 2016. Both 8th avenue and 6th avenue train's were going to use this line,with 6th avenue D trains obviously being the express service along Utica .According to the plans,6 tracks with junctions east,could have different traffic routing like the Fulton st subway did.. ... |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 29 14:15:59 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 28 18:02:54 2016. True..Beaver st would have been extended to Union Avenue... A new street(Stuyvesant Avenue) would have cut over from Bushwick ave,across Myrtle and Broadway. Today,the massive housing co-op development stands in the path of the line east of Union. There Is one sign of the stations existance that can be seen on the surface.Ive seen it plenty of times. |
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Posted by Renee gil on Fri Apr 29 17:04:16 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Express Rider on Fri Apr 29 02:29:39 2016. alright. thanx. |
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Posted by K. Trout on Fri Apr 29 19:48:59 2016, in response to Re: South 4th St, posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 29 14:15:59 2016. Are you referring to entrance covers on the sidewalk? That would be the obvious place to enter the station if not from the mezzanine... |
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