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Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016 The cops will rouse you from your underground slumber, for your own protection. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Feb 3 18:58:41 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. Don't care, I'm still napping. You're really gonna write me a ticket for that? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Feb 3 19:10:03 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Feb 3 18:58:41 2016. Nah |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 3 20:06:56 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Feb 3 18:58:41 2016. Sounds like they're just going to wake people up. It's not actually illegal. Or is it? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:32:20 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Feb 3 18:58:41 2016. Didn't say a ticket, but if you want one......A sleeping passenger is opening himself up to having his personal property stolen. Of course if the guy reeks of piss he's good! |
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Posted by heypaul on Wed Feb 3 20:32:21 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Feb 3 20:06:56 2016. Disorderly conduct.No person on or in any facility or conveyance shall: (a) litter, dump garbage, liquids or other matter, create a nuisance, hazard or unsanitary condition (including, but not limited to, spitting, or urinating, except in facilities provided). Trash and other waste materials contained in waste receptacles shall not be removed, except by persons duly authorized by the Authority; (b) smoke or carry an open flame or lighted match, cigar, cigarette, pipe or torch; (c) sleep or doze where such activity may be hazardous to such person or to others or may interfere with the operation of the Authority's transit system or the comfort of its passengers; (d) engage in any form of gambling, except as specifically authorized as, for example, at OTB parlors; (e) create any sound through the use of any sound production device, except as specifically authorized by 1050.6(c) of these rules. Use of radios and other devices listened to solely by headphones or earphones and inaudible to others is permitted; (f) throw, drop or cause to be propelled any stone, projectile or other article at, from, upon, in or on a facility or conveyance; (g) drink any alcoholic beverage or possess any opened or unsealed container of alcoholic beverage, except on premises duly licensed for the sale of alcoholic beverages, such as bars and restaurants; (h) enter or remain in any facility or conveyance while his or her ability to function safely in the environment of an Authority transit system is impaired by the consumption of alcohol or by the taking of any drugs; (i) conduct himself or herself in any manner which may cause or tend to cause annoyance, alarm or inconvenience to a reasonable person or create a breach of the peace; (j) (1) occupy more than one seat on a station, platform or conveyance when to do so would interfere or tend to interfere with the operation of the Authority's transit system or the comfort of other passengers; (2) place his or her foot on a seat on a station, platform or conveyance; (3) lie on the floor, platform, stairway, landing or conveyance; or (4) block free movement on a station, stairway, platform or conveyance; or (k) commit any act which causes or may tend to cause harm to oneself or to any other person including, but not limited to: 1. riding a bicycle or straddling a bicycle while it is in motion, or riding a scooter, or any other self-propelled vehicle or any motor-propelled vehicle; 2. wearing roller skates or in-line skates; or 3. riding or otherwise standing on a skateboard. 4. Paragraph one of this subdivision does not apply to the proper use of self-propelled or motor propelled wheelchairs or similar devices by a nonambulatory individual. |
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Posted by chud1 on Thu Feb 4 05:33:22 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Feb 3 18:58:41 2016. IAWTP!chud1. :)..... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 4 05:39:23 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by chud1 on Thu Feb 4 05:33:22 2016. Back in the day, after working out of Stillwell, I'd nod out for the hour and change ride home and back. And since I was with the show, if I didn't just lock myself in a cab mid-train, the cops would hit my knees with the stick on the D at oh-dark-hundred, pissing me off.The ONE thing I missed after working there was being able to just key into a cab and get woken by the "chow" at 205. :) |
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Posted by zac on Thu Feb 4 06:55:00 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. Doesn't the city have better things to worry about? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 4 06:58:04 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by zac on Thu Feb 4 06:55:00 2016. Yes, but when you're caught sleeping on the subway, the city isn't worrying about any of those other things just then. Tell it to the TAB...THIW. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Feb 4 08:53:15 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Feb 3 18:58:41 2016. Nah just wake your tired ass up. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Feb 4 09:45:39 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Feb 3 18:58:41 2016. About 30 years ago, when I lived in Canarsie, I rode the (L), or maybe it was still the (LL), all the way from Rockaway Pkwy. to Union Sq. I was about half asleep most of the way, and nobody bothered me. In fact, in those days, they probably could have skipped half the stations and nobody would have noticed. The train would nearly empty at Union Sq, and I would awake immediately.Bob |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Feb 4 09:50:40 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. Just a tap on the kee with the night stick and a friendly "keep alert, we don't need more victims down here than necessary" After all the ossiphers are there anyway.and if they roust everyone for snoozing then the skells cannot complain that they are being singled out. ROAR |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Feb 4 09:54:44 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 4 05:39:23 2016. Or it you were in an R-42, the sneeze! :)I heart Darth Vader brakes :) |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 11:06:02 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. It's a grand conspiracy by the white man |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 4 11:12:21 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. These people seem to disagree:
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Posted by vfrt on Thu Feb 4 11:14:38 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 4 11:14:52 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 11:06:02 2016. But not the conspiracy you're thinking of. I dislike the idea of a transit agency being able to criminalize behaviors--like walking between subway cars, or sleeping on the train--that are not crimes. Both of those examples used to be perfectly legal in the NYC subway system. Now, you can be ticketed or arrested for them. That IS a conspiracy to generate revenue and shield the MTA from lawsuits, in effect. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Feb 4 11:26:17 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by vfrt on Thu Feb 4 11:14:38 2016. Frank Sinatra later recorded this as Don't Sleep in the Subway, Baby!I heard it on the radio exactly once, and then it mercifully disappeared. It was, along with his version of Winchester Cathedral, simply not his type of song. Bob |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Feb 4 11:30:44 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 4 11:14:52 2016. ...shield the MTA from lawsuits...I'm sure that is the reason. Undoubtedly this also explains their holding up trains for "sick passengers". To add insult to injury, they now hold up trains IN FRONT of them, as well as behind them. All I can say about it is that 50 years ago, either the NYCTA knew the difference between a railroad and a hospital, or sick people didn't ride the trains very often. As far as the lawyers are concerned, they're waiting to pounce on the MTA if it turns out that a passenger who has fallen to the floor has suffered a broken bone, which is certainly not always the case. Bob |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 11:41:49 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. What, Bratton trying to go all Kerik now? How the wyrm turneth. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 4 12:00:21 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 4 11:41:49 2016. I hope Bratton (who was PC long before Kerik was appointed to that post) isn't trying to be like Kerik...because Kerik was the worst Commissioner the NYPD ever had... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Feb 4 12:50:40 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by GIS Man on Thu Feb 4 11:30:44 2016. Nothing wrong with holding the previous train in case the train with the sick passenger is there for a long time. Supervision is trying to reduce the gap in between the 2 trains. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 13:23:48 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. It's a grand conspiracy by the white man |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 13:26:31 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Thu Feb 4 11:14:52 2016. I can understand the walking between cars as a safety issue. They said they were going to write summons for sleeping? I doubt the PD is using this as a way to stop and question people or ask for i d. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 13:28:45 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by GIS Man on Thu Feb 4 11:26:17 2016. How about when he sang Sweet Blindness with the fifth dimension |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 13:29:56 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 13:23:48 2016. Sorry for the double post |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Feb 4 14:18:18 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 13:28:45 2016. Not familiar with that one.Bob |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Feb 4 15:39:56 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Wed Feb 3 20:32:20 2016. I know the risks I'm taking when I catch a nap on the subway. If I get myself in a situation where I wake up to being robbed or wake up to having been robbed, I've really got no one to blame but my own damn self, no? So if I accept it, then damnit, lemme sleep. |
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Posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Feb 4 17:23:17 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. Way to blame the victims...smh Need more officers riding the trains or even cheaper have officers stationed at every station in the system. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 4 17:31:51 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Feb 4 09:54:44 2016. Heh. Yep, that too. :) |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Feb 4 20:33:00 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by ftgreeneg on Thu Feb 4 17:23:17 2016. Can a single officer be counted on to reliably deal with most threats to passengers? I'd think the police would prefer to work in pairs or even teams of three or four. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Feb 4 21:17:35 2016, in response to Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed Feb 3 18:48:54 2016. I had a nice nap on the (F) train yesterday. The rocking and the delays are sleep inducing. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Feb 4 21:20:40 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 13:26:31 2016. I can understand that they don't want to be sued if someone falls between cars, but I am able to walk between cars properly and should be able to. No need to worry about undercover cops trying to ticket me. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Feb 4 21:25:47 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by heypaul on Wed Feb 3 20:32:21 2016. *Leers at (e)*"Use of radios and other devices listened to solely by headphones or earphones and inaudible to others is permitted;" Maybe they should enforce this and accept 311 calls to complain from stations with reception. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 23:12:08 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by GIS Man on Thu Feb 4 14:18:18 2016. youtube it. It is absurd. It sound like he sings the word bullshit. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Feb 4 23:14:03 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Feb 4 21:20:40 2016. I don't disagree. How did so many people do it for 100 years before they put that one on the books? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 6 02:07:23 2016, in response to Re: Bratton: Subways Are Not For Sleeping, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Feb 4 21:20:40 2016. The wonderful thing about undercovers enforcing stupid rules like that is, anyone planning on committing a real crime (such as a mugging) can simply have an accomplice walk between cars first to flush them out.The second wonderful thing about enough stupid rules / laws is it inspires more rulebreaking among otherwise law abiding citizens. This increases the chance of them thinking critically about laws and ultimately reduces the power of "you shouldn't do it because it is against the law". Which IMO is a good thing. |
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