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Re: The problem with TMNY |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 27 15:07:13 2015, in response to Re: The problem with TMNY, posted by 3-9 on Sun Dec 27 14:46:19 2015. NYTM in Brooklyn is a superb exhibit, bit it's not an operating museum like BERA, IRM, or TMNY. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 27 15:15:06 2015, in response to Re: The problem with TMNY, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 27 15:07:13 2015. Their trains do occasionally get out for trips. |
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Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 27 15:21:24 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Dec 27 13:55:40 2015. So, there are no moderators, Now i see why this thread is so long and such. |
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Re: The draw at TMNY |
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Posted by Evan on Sun Dec 27 15:42:47 2015, in response to Re: The problem with TMNY, posted by 3-9 on Sun Dec 27 14:46:19 2015. That TMMY has a trolley from X and a subway car from Y isn't what drives admissions. Its the ride and the location. What will boost revenue the quickest is adding passenger capacity, which is why it's the first thing listed in the short-term strategic project list. |
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Re: The problem with TMNY |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Dec 27 16:08:30 2015, in response to Re: The problem with TMNY, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 27 15:15:06 2015. Yes, they do, but strictly speaking, NYTM is not an operating museum, that is, a museum that operates regularly scheduled trips with its vintage equipment as part of the interpretive experience.NYTM does put on excursions, special commemorative operating events (think last summer's BMT 100 parade), and the Holiday Train, but you can't ride its equipment on any given visit, as you can at BERA, etc. |
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Re: The draw at TMNY |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Dec 27 16:28:14 2015, in response to Re: The draw at TMNY, posted by Evan on Sun Dec 27 15:42:47 2015. So it does get enough admissions that they can fill their operating cars?I really hope you're right about the ride and location. As another poster pointed out, there is competition from other museums in the area. For instance, NYTM draws people from around NYC because of its accessibility and resources. The Amtrak excursion is used as an example of the potential customer base, but that's a one-in-a-long-time, scenic trip, which isn't quite the same thing. |
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Re: The draw at TMNY |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 27 16:46:54 2015, in response to Re: The draw at TMNY, posted by 3-9 on Sun Dec 27 16:28:14 2015. The Amtrak foliage excursion was for the well-to-do railfan seeking rare mileage, and required an overnight stay in Albany.The trouble with most railroad museums of all sorts is that they reside in God's country. Some are successful, others are not. |
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Re: The problem with TMNY |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Dec 27 16:59:33 2015, in response to Re: The problem with TMNY, posted by murray1575 on Sat Dec 26 16:56:15 2015. It was brought up on one of the many threads about TMNY that the museum had the opportunity to acquire some space in Bush Terminal but turned it down due to its proximity to the NYTM. Assuming it was true, I have a few questions. Where exactly on Bush Terminal property would it have been? That is would it have been in an area where there would have been sufficient space to operate the cars? If there were to be sufficient operating room, then it doesn’t seem that it would have been real competition for the NYTM since the NYTM is not a true operating museum but is predominantly a static display so why was the location declined if in fact that was the case? |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 27 17:00:31 2015, in response to The problem with TMNY, posted by arli3835 on Fri Dec 25 21:25:43 2015. Don't forget the Danbury railroad museum... Also the museum out in Riverhead with the LIRR M1 pair. So make that FIVE museums in the Tri State area. Only two of them are easy to get to by public transit... I would say Riverhead is easy to get to but we all know lousy LIRR service is East of Ronkonkma. |
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Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 27 17:03:40 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by TransitChuckG on Sun Dec 27 15:21:24 2015. If this were moderated like Trainorders.com, about a dozen people would be thrown off immediately, and there would be no OT Chat at all to vent anger in general. |
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Re: The problem with TMNY |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 27 17:15:31 2015, in response to Re: The problem with TMNY, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sun Dec 27 17:00:31 2015. Still, the NYTM 9700-series M-1 pair in Morris Park has no home going on 9 years. OBRM keeps some equipment nearby in Richmond Hill.URHS has no home yet open to the public either, and their wished-for museum will also be in God's Country, in northwestern NJ. Port Jeff has 2 long abandoned sidings on either side of Route 112 now that the LIRR's lay-up yard is on the extreme east end of active trackage just before the Wading River extension. |
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Posted by Evan on Sun Dec 27 17:45:37 2015, in response to Re: The draw at TMNY, posted by 3-9 on Sun Dec 27 16:28:14 2015. I haven't analyzed the actual numbers for 2015 yet, but I would say from my observation as motorman through the operating season, average seat occupancy was about 70%. Its not uncommon on busier days that the trolley is full all day with people turned away from lack of seats.We've debated extending operations into Summer evenings when the restaurant crowd is in Downtown, and adding Friday evenings, but we can't get the volunteers to sustain a schedule at those times. In earlier years there was persistent parking on the tracks in the evenings, but thanks to better signage and metered parking (except in the museum's own free lot), cars on the tracks are much less common. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 27 18:47:19 2015, in response to Re: The problem with TMNY, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Dec 27 00:06:56 2015. Of course. It had to do with your post. Thanks for admitting that you can't follow a thread and that you make irrelevant replies. |
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Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Sun Dec 27 19:04:49 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 27 14:06:30 2015. Do we know where if anywhere that car is ?Most likely scrapped on the spot. The hangar at JFK held only two PATH cars, the ones donated to two trolley museums we all know. Perhaps these two cars were held just in case if there was room at the 9/11 museum. But that's not the case unfortunately. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 27 19:51:16 2015, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Dec 27 13:55:40 2015. Are you sure? It has been posted many times that I am a moderator or owner of this website and not many people posted disagreement. |
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Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces) |
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Posted by The Silence on Sun Dec 27 20:11:20 2015, in response to Re: The Problem with Misinformation (Re: To McGinty, Pagan, and Garces), posted by arli3835 on Sun Dec 27 01:27:26 2015. this is like saying something in philly should close because there is something similar in New York... It's the same distance. |
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TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit |
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Posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sun Dec 27 20:15:27 2015, in response to Re: The problem with TMNY, posted by 3-9 on Sun Dec 27 14:46:19 2015. Since the question was brought up about what the TMNY has and the NYTM does not,here are just a few notable items:1)Former NYCTA R-16 # 6398 recently repainted in the short lived "Quickie" Silver paint scheme w/blue doors which was only worn by only 20 R-16's circa 1984. (Note):This will not be the permanent paint job; Car will be repainted in the eaerly 1970's MTA "Silver and Blue" paint scheme in 2016.(Note # 2):This is the one and only "B" Division SMEE car preserved in a museum off of NYCTA property. 2)Former South Brooklyn Railway Whitcomb built 65 Tonner Diesel # 9;This locomotive was restored to active service after many hours of work by a small but dedicated group of volunteers.Plans are to "Operate" this locomotive IN SERVICE at the museum in 2016!!! Note:this is the "One and Only" OPERATING Whitcomb 65 Tonner Diesel in all of New York State! This is one of the "Jewel's of the museum's collection! 3)Brooklyn and Queens Transit "Clark" built PCC # 1000;This is the "One and Only" PCC constructed by the Clark Equipment Company.This car's restoration is set to begin in Spring,2016 after an earlier attempt to restore this car stalled due to the untimely death of one of the museum's members.Limited "Scope of work" was done this past Summer and things are all set for next Spring. 4)PATH PA-1 car # 143;One of two surviving "PA" class cars still in existence from the 09/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center.This is the museum's newest car and arrived on 12/16/2015.Note:This car is considered an artifact and will be left "As Is" in order to tell the story of that terrible day in American history.This car is for display purposes only and will NOT be available for use to the riding public.Plans are to construct a permanent display for this car as well as additional artifacts still en route from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey from the Twin Towers. 5)Former IRT "Low Voltage" car # 5600; While the NYTM does roster several operable "Low V" cars our car awaits heavy restoration work.Some limited work was done on this car over the past year which included repainting and re-installation of missing side windows.While not note worthy in the sense that they can be seen at NYTM i am listing this car here just as information. 6)Former IND R-4 # 825; Like the "Low V" cars the NYTM roster's several operable versions of this car type also but is being listed here for information purposes.Limited work done on this car over the last year which included replica 825 number plates giving this car back it's identity once again."City of New York" recently repainted onto the sides of the car this December.Additional work forthcoming on this car beginning in Spring,2016. 7)Former IND R-3 Flatcar # F401; This is a full size flatcar originally constructed for the IND system.This car was recently repainted;Brake rigging and repairs completed.This car is equipped with "Tranistion Couplers" with a knuckle coupler on one end and a "H2a" coupler on the other.This car operates eith Diesel # 9 and can be used to couple to almost any "Heavy rail" car in the museum's collection. Of course there are several other noteworthy cars in the museum's collection which are too numerous to list here.What the museum truly needs are the volunteer's needed to restore some of these old cars.They cannot restore themselves! Have the desire to help out on fixing these relic's from another era? I invite "YOU" to get involved in our all volunteer effort! Forget the naysayer's here who say it can't be done-We ARE DOING it and making a difference! No special skills or special tools are required-just an honest desire to help and to get involved! Gone are the days of old when the TMNY was considered a junkyard.Things are happening at a pace not seen in years! Still skeptical? Consider this: our group has been active at the TMNY for a little over 15 months; In that short time we have reactivated a dead diesel locomotive,repainted several cars and were instrumental in acquiring the museum's first new car since the R-16's arrival back in 1996.Work on a second "Active" car is set to begin next year as well,effectively doubling our revenue capacity.The ridership levels are there and things are indeed happening at the Trolley Museum of New York-I welcome all of you here to join in on the fun of bringing this museum back from the brink.Thank you all for reading.... |
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Re: TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 27 20:24:56 2015, in response to TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sun Dec 27 20:15:27 2015. 4)PATH PA-1 car # 143;One of two surviving "PA" class cars still in existence from the 09/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center.This is the museum's newest car and arrived on 12/16/2015.Note:This car is considered an artifact and will be left "As Is" in order to tell the story of that terrible day in American history.This car is for display purposes only and will NOT be available for use to the riding public.Plans are to construct a permanent display for this car as well as additional artifacts still en route from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey from the Twin Towers.I respect that decision and concur that it is the right thing to do with that car! |
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Posted by priya12 on Sun Dec 27 21:08:13 2015, in response to TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sun Dec 27 20:15:27 2015. Space bar. Use the space bar! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 27 22:30:08 2015, in response to TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sun Dec 27 20:15:27 2015. 4)PATH PA-1 car # 143;One of two surviving "PA" class cars still in existence from the 09/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center.This is the museum's newest car and arrived on 12/16/2015.Note:This car is considered an artifact and will be left "As Is" in order to tell the story of that terrible day in American history.This car is for display purposes only and will NOT be available for use to the riding public.Plans are to construct a permanent display for this car as well as additional artifacts still en route from the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey from the Twin Towers.As I've said before, I would be very interested in riding in this car, and I'm sure many other people would be as well. If you figured out a way to "operate" this car, I would make it my business to come up and visit the museum and would encourage others to do so as well. I see no reason to let what is one of only two examples of this car type at museums sit inoperable. If there were three or four other operating PA1/2/3 cars, then sure, keep this one as an "artifact". But since there aren't, I think it should be operated, if possible. |
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Dec 27 23:01:24 2015, in response to Re: TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 27 22:30:08 2015. Isn't Path Car 143 strictly a trailer car without motors? |
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Re: The problem with TMNY |
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Posted by jabrams on Sun Dec 27 23:03:10 2015, in response to Re: The problem with TMNY, posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 27 14:39:10 2015. In the videos shown of the trolleys running in previous years and the Whitcomb diesel moving, I don't see any overhead wires. How are the trolleys powered, and what are in the plans for the NYCTA cars for operating them? |
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PA-1 car 143 Update (Re: TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit) |
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Posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sun Dec 27 23:09:30 2015, in response to TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit, posted by ENY Blitz 5107 on Sun Dec 27 20:15:27 2015. This weekend, one of the members of the Car Preservation and Restoration Group, chief mechanical officer Harry Greenblatt worked on installing windows back onto car 143. The windows originally on the car were taken out by firefighters on 9/11 as they searched for survivors and bodies.A special thank you to the Shoreline Trolley Museum / Branford Electric Railway Association, Mr. William Wall, and Mr. Alan Zelazo for their ongoing assistance and continued support. Mr. Greenblatt posing with PA-3 car 745 at Shoreline, which also survived collapse of the World Trade Center.  Back in Kingston, preparation of window installation on car 143   To help us fund the construction of the new museum wing that will house car 143 and other World Trade Center artifacts, please check out the link below. Here, you may make any donation you wish or spread the word. Your support is always appreciated. Thank you. The Last Train - The Final Journey Home: https://www.gofundme.com/LastTrain -M.F.'86 <4> |
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Re: TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Dec 28 07:22:06 2015, in response to Re: TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit, posted by jabrams on Sun Dec 27 23:01:24 2015. I believe so. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Mon Dec 28 08:24:25 2015, in response to Re: TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit, posted by jabrams on Sun Dec 27 23:01:24 2015. There were no trailers in the PA series of cars. "A" cars were single-ended motors while the "C" cars were blind motors. Car 143 was a PA-1C.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Re: PA-1 car 143 Update (Re: TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 28 20:48:33 2015, in response to PA-1 car 143 Update (Re: TMNY:What we have and why YOU should visit), posted by Mysterious Friday 1986 on Sun Dec 27 23:09:30 2015. To help us fund the construction of the new museum wing that will house car 143 and other World Trade Center artifacts, please check out the link below. Here, you may make any donation you wish or spread the word. Your support is always appreciated. Thank you.I would gladly donate towards the restoration (to operating condition) and operation of this car once substantial progress towards those goals has been made and shown. |
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Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 13 14:05:56 2016, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by TUNNELRAT on Sun Dec 20 15:13:24 2015. are you willing to foot the bill to get it in running conditionLooks like I don't need to be! PATH 143 run to Kingston Point 9/11/16 |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 13 14:08:17 2016, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Dec 17 09:48:56 2015. I'm all for a static display and not to be restored to running condition.I'm glad that the people who matter didn't agree with you and instead agreed with me :) PATH 143 run to Kingston Point 9/11/16 |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 13 14:11:21 2016, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Dec 17 22:22:34 2015. To have that PATH car MU & run with other equiptment at TMNY would be the equivelent of raising the Arizona at Pearl Harbor & using it for ferry rides.Then DON'T WATCH this video!!!!!!!!!!!!! PATH 143 run to Kingston Point 9/11/16 |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Sep 13 14:12:34 2016, in response to Re: PATH 143 arrives at TMNY, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Dec 18 09:46:21 2015. It should be part of a static exhibitI'm glad that the people who matter didn't agree with you and instead agreed with me :) PATH 143 run to Kingston Point 9/11/16 |
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