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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 23 07:42:21 2015 Tuscarora Almanac for August 231 - August 23, 1920 - The Book of First Runs The IRT Nostrand Avenue Line begins service between Franklin Avenue Station on the Eastern Parkway Line and Flatbush Avenue Terminal. New stations are opened at President Street, Sterling Street, Winthrop Street, Church Avenue, Beverly Road, Newkirk Avenue and Flatbush Avenue. 2 - August 23, 1920 - The Book of First Runs The IRT Eastern Parkway Line is extended from Atlantic Avenue to Utica Avenue. At first all trains use the express tracks between Atlantic Avenue and Franklin Avenue as the locals stations are not completed. New stations are opened at Nostrand Avenue, Kingston Avenue and Utica Avenue. The local stations at Bergen Street, Grand Army Plaza and Brooklyn Museum will open on October 10, 1920. Source: IRT Brooklyn Line by Mr. Bernard Linder, NYD Bulletin July 1991 3 - August 23, 1966 - The Book of First Runs This is the first day of operation of the R-38’s in passenger service. A brief ceremony was held at the IND Queens Plaza Station . The first train was an “F” Queens-6th Avenue Express and the consist was (S)3963-2,3967-6,3955-4,3960-1,3956-3957. The next train was an “E 8th Avenue Express and the consist was (S) 3950-1,3953-2,3965-4,3958-9,3968-9. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 23 13:35:10 2015, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 23 07:42:21 2015. The Jamaica Yard Meltdown had reached crisis proportions by then. I read that the R-38s were originally intended for the D line, but were sidetracked to Queens and stayed there for the next year or two. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 15:23:24 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 23 13:35:10 2015. What was the Jamaica Yard Meltdown? Too many Arnines breaking down? |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Aug 23 15:59:35 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 15:23:24 2015. Jamaica yard was evenly split between the oldest (R-1) and newest (R-7a and R-9) cars in 1966. R-1 cars were having mechanical issues with over half the fleet out at any given time. The remainder of the R-1 would only see another three years' service after being shipped to 207 Street for "AA" and "B" midday service.wayne |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 16:13:03 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Aug 23 15:59:35 2015. Thanks for the info! |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 23 16:14:27 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 15:23:24 2015. What was the Jamaica Yard Meltdown? Too many Arnines breaking down?That's exactly what it was. So many Arnines were out of action that they could not protect the service. Work trains were delayed for hours leaving the yard because of bad-order trains. There were twenty brand new R-38's on hand. Further deliveries were being delayed due to a strike at the Saint Louis Car Plant. These twenty cars were pressed into service, one each on the "E" and "F" lines. Thirty two R-16's were transferred from the BMT Eastern Division to the "GG". Their place was taken by BMT Standards pulled of the scrap line at Coney Island. It was a great summer for railfans. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Aug 23 20:20:19 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Aug 23 15:59:35 2015. How many R1s were retired after the Jamaica Yard Meltdown? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 23 20:25:20 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 23 16:14:27 2015. For the railfans, yeah. For the employees...maybe not. :-) Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by gbs on Sun Aug 23 20:54:00 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Aug 23 15:59:35 2015. Are you sure Jamaica had R1s in 1966? My (pretty vivid) recollection is that, prior to the Chrystie changes in 1967, Jamaica had only the newer arnines, and that as soon as the F began going to Coney Island after November, 1967, Jamaica then got lots (and lots) of the older arnines. I remember standing on the Manhattan-bound platform at 63 Drive one morning that November and watching train after train of old arnines going to Jamaica. Prior to that, I saw those old trains on the D, never the E, F, or GG. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sun Aug 23 22:09:55 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Aug 23 15:59:35 2015. Yep, and by 1972 (end of 1971?), most of the R1's fleet numbers had been taken by the R-44s. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 24 12:44:40 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by gbs on Sun Aug 23 20:54:00 2015. I don’t recall any R-1s in Queens prior to Chrystie, but I noticed that Jamaica had R-4s 400-799 and then the highest numbered R-7s, 7As and 9s from about 1500 to 1802 with the exception of 1575 which I seem to recall was kept in Wash Hts for AA/BB service. All the R-1s and the R-4s 800- 899 as well as the R-6s and lower numbered R-7s up to about 1499 seemed to be in Wash Hts and the Concourse. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Aug 24 12:45:45 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Aug 23 20:20:19 2015. I’m not sure how many, if any were retired after that since I recall having trains with R-1s in the consist as late as 1969 when I was a M/M. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 20:13:01 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 24 12:44:40 2015. There is a September 1956 photo of Jamaica Yard with mostly R-1s visible along with R-9 1701. Virtually every train in the front part of the photo is signed as a Fred. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 20:15:08 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by randyo on Mon Aug 24 12:45:45 2015. IIRC the problem was compressors. Apparently after a few months, most of the cars that had failed were revived. Those R-16s that had been borrowed were back in Three Stooges territory by February of 1967, and scrapping of BMT standards resumed. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 20:18:51 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 23 16:14:27 2015. Some BMT standards had GG LOCAL signs added to their route curtains. I guess the idea of using them on the GG was bantered about. The route sign in my BMT standard signbox has a GG LOCAL sign. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 20:21:28 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Sun Aug 23 16:14:27 2015. IIRC those BMT standards that got that last-minute stay of execution were used only during rush hours on the Broadway-Broooklyn Local, the old #14 route. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 20:30:43 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 20:13:01 2015. If I recall, that photo, the R-1s in JYd were in the 300 series. From my time in Wash Hts, it seemed that the 100 and 200 series R-1s and the 800 series R-4s were kept uptown with the remaining R-1s and R-4s sent to Queens. After that, I noticed that R-6s and 7s 7s that is 900 to about 1499 were uptown and the 1500 to 1802 were in Queens except for 1575 Which was assigned to 207 Yd and used almost exclusively on the AA/BB probably due to the internal fixtures being R-10 style and more easily maintainable at 207 where the R-10s were. |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 20:34:23 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 25 20:21:28 2015. Although that may have been the intent, If the Yd Master at DO Yd needed cars for service, they would have been sent to the 14 St Line or Myrtle/Chambers. A few even showed up on the Jamaica Express especially during the winter when some R-16s from the Jamaica Line were swapped with steels from the 14 St Line. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 26 21:04:02 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 20:30:43 2015. I've seen a photo of 1575 as the south motor on an Ethel train at Hudson Terminal. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 26 21:05:16 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by randyo on Tue Aug 25 20:34:23 2015. Ah yes, the R-16s were allergic to snow.:) Something about the cork lining in their door pockets swelling up? |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 27 16:18:17 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 26 21:04:02 2015. Eventually, it went back to Queens, but in the early 1960s, it was on the AA/BB. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Aug 27 16:22:05 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Aug 26 21:05:16 2015. I have no idea what the case of the winter problems actually were, However, I don’t recall the IRT having similar problems with their sister cars the R-15s or R-17s. I mentioned the R-15s only because although they were more a part of the R-10 generation, they had the same manufacture of door apparatus as the R-16s, National Pneumatic. The R-17s through 22s, on the other hand had door equipment manufactured by Consolidated Car Heating which may account for the lower instance of door failures on the IRT’s cars. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 27 21:19:53 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by randyo on Thu Aug 27 16:18:17 2015. I never saw it back in the day. Didn't ride on it until October 2004 during the Parade of Trains. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 14:26:02 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Aug 27 21:19:53 2015. As I recall when it was on the AA/BB it was always on the operating end (usually the North end) of any train it was on. When I was a M/M on the KK one evening, I had it in my train but unfortunately it was at the C/R position and not at either end. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Aug 28 21:54:27 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Aug 23 15:59:35 2015. There was a story about this in the Long Island Press during this period. I clipped it, and if it hasn't "strayed" would be in my IND folder. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 28 22:01:55 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 14:26:02 2015. Was it ever mistakenly coupled into an R-10 consist? |
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Posted by Express Rider on Fri Aug 28 22:04:54 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Aug 28 22:01:55 2015. I heard a story, probably at a NY Div meeting, that this did happen, and motormen would see that the car was not charging.Randy O can probably answer this, in much more accurate detail. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 29 16:13:28 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Express Rider on Fri Aug 28 22:04:54 2015. If it did happen, it was understandable. Poor old 1575, an R-10 wannabe. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 30 15:24:00 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by Express Rider on Fri Aug 28 22:04:54 2015. Although I never heard about it happening, I can see the possibility. It’s sort of like, the IND car mixed in with IRT cars that made it up to the IRT Jerome Line and nearly destroyed the S/B platform at Bedford Pk on the way from Concourse Yd to Mosholu Yd. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 30 19:30:19 2015, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for August 23, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 30 15:24:00 2015. The R-10 that found its way into an R-12/14 consist? Oops! |
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