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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 13 20:01:39 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 13 17:54:06 2015. The grounds passes have been sold in recent years during the earlier rounds especially, there are many pretty well known players playing on the side courts. Sadly, they aren't particularly cheap. And the food prices are scary. But, it is an amazingly well attended event, with the retractable roof going on ( ready for next year) the finals will stay on schedule, and they are replacing Armstrong with the new grandstandand enlarging many side courts. Total attendance pushes the 750K mark, it really is a major event. And when I was a kid I could take the Q65A bus and walk into Forest Hills for very little and it was like I was going back in time. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 13 21:21:43 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 13 17:54:06 2015. There are more than 1.1 million students in the NYC Public School System. How many do you think would attend the US Open if it didn't interfere with school? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 13 23:16:39 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 13 21:21:43 2015. How many do you think would attend the US Open if it didn't interfere with school?It doesn't… for the most part. School starts September 9th this year, so the only days that kids wouldn't be able to attend are that Wednesday through Friday. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 14 00:12:05 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 13 23:16:39 2015. Irrelevant. The suggestion is that the school calendar revolves around the tennis tournament. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Aug 14 01:34:20 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Aug 13 21:21:43 2015. The idea was to create new tennis fans.One significant change this year is the Women's semifinals, which traditionally have been on Friday afternoon have been moved to Thursday night for the first time ever. Likewise, the men's semifinals are on Friday for the first time. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 14 10:58:50 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Aug 14 01:34:20 2015. The world doesn't revolve around sports, believe it or not.The "significant" changes for this year are permanent going forward and were announced in 2013. I see no mention of accommodating NYC public school students anywhere in the article. |
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Posted by Gene B. on Fri Aug 14 12:21:33 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Aug 14 01:34:20 2015. As an avid tennis fan and ofttimes player, I have been to the US Open over twenty times, and to Roland Garros and Wimbledon. Your premise is not entirely unfounded. Roland Garros has a huge section at the top of their Center Court, Court Philippe Chatrier, devoted to school children. I asked officials and was told that many schools declare a school holiday so the students can attend a day session early in the first week. On the other hand, I saw no such indication at Wimbledon. Thus it is possible that there may have been something going on back in the '50's and '60's. However, there are some significant differences between then and now. One, which somebody already posted, was that your experience took place before the Open era. Secondly, the Open back then was held at Forest Hills and did not switch venues to Flushing Meadows until 1978. Finally, it is worth noting that, in the US Open ticket prices, there is not even a student or senior discount, and that anyone over 24 months must have a full price seat. There is a discount for USTA members of all ages. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 14 13:20:18 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Gene B. on Fri Aug 14 12:21:33 2015. Of course, they do hold the Arthur Ashe Kids Day Festival just before the open, it is a major media event. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Aug 14 15:12:13 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 14 10:58:50 2015. That never was an official announcement. "Gentlemen's agreements" are not always etched in stone (which are why they are called "gentlemen's agreements" as they are NOT requirements).That's what I remember it being when I was younger (and as noted elsewhere, may not be as true as it once was now and this year certainly can't be honored this year with the religious holidays after that plus the Pope's visit). It certainly was changed. And yes, those changes were made because the players had complained about playing the semis and finals back-to-back. This will be the first time since 2007 that the US Open will actually conclude on Sunday assuming no real bad weather (2008-'12 ended on Monday due to weather and the last two years were intentional Monday endings). |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 14 15:22:17 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Fri Aug 14 15:12:13 2015. The pope's visit was announced long after the US Open Schedule, and I'm not sure what impact the pope being at the UN has on the rest of NYC's activities.You're insane. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 14 15:23:51 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 14 15:22:17 2015. Yep. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 14 15:36:10 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 14 15:22:17 2015. I finally got him to admit that he's been pushing his crazy re-routing scemes without owning and reading a copy of Peter Dougherty's book, "Tracks of the New York City Subway. Perhaps, I'll buy him a copy and give it to him at his next outpatient visit to Bellevue! |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 14 15:48:44 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Elkeeper on Fri Aug 14 15:36:10 2015. The maps are online at nycsubway.org, he doesn't even need the book. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 14 16:09:43 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 14 10:58:50 2015. The way some sports fans act, especially about soccer outside the US, you might think the world DID revolve around sports! |
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Posted by Gene B. on Fri Aug 14 16:35:08 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 14 13:20:18 2015. Yes, but that is held on a Sunday (August 24 this year, I believe), and would not interfere with school regardless of when the Open is played. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 14 17:26:49 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Gene B. on Fri Aug 14 16:35:08 2015. I wasn't getting involved in the silly argument about the schools, I was just throwing out the info..... |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Aug 19 08:15:45 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Aug 10 22:10:07 2015. bump |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Aug 19 13:32:17 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by randyo on Sun Aug 2 16:08:03 2015. Yes. |
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Posted by MTA T on Thu Aug 20 09:37:03 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Aug 19 08:15:45 2015. Nah. Flat. Trust me. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Aug 21 08:16:29 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by The Silence on Mon Aug 10 00:00:21 2015. bump |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Aug 24 08:32:59 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon Aug 10 22:10:07 2015. bump |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon Aug 24 10:01:52 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by fdtutf on Sun Aug 9 20:59:14 2015. As a further point of potential interest (I'm wandering a bit far from SubChat, but bear with me), I've now finished reading the book that recounts CBST's first forty years.In the early 2000s, CBST had been getting about 2,000 people for Yom Kippur at Javits. In 2001, with the holidays falling shortly after September 11, they expected and planned for about 3,000. They got 6,000. CBST welcomes anyone who shows up to its HHD services. No tickets are required. Thus it was a good available option for many Jews who might have been unaffiliated, but who felt the need to attend services particularly acutely after September 11, 2001. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Aug 26 15:30:55 2015, in response to 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by northshore on Mon Jul 20 14:23:05 2015. I have no idea if they'll actually stick to this schedule, but according to Trip Planner+, the first revenue train from 34th St – Hudson Yards on 9/13 will leave at 12:59 PM and arrive at Main Street at 1:37 PM. The first train to Hudson Yards will leave Main Street at 12:26 PM and arrive at 34th at 1:03 PM. 
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 26 16:28:06 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Aug 26 15:30:55 2015. Actually, the first train to Hudson Yds will probably leave Main St circa Midnight on 9/13 due to the way the pick operates. Prior to the first official passenger train, the trains will discharge passengers at T/Sq and run light to/from Hudson Yds. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Aug 26 16:32:35 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 26 16:28:06 2015. That seems more realistic. Another SubChatter was monitoring Trip Planner in the days leading up to the reopening of the Montague Tubes, and its initial results turned out to be misleading. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 26 16:33:15 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 26 16:28:06 2015. That will be a challenge, fumigating one train every two minutes at Times Square. Perhaps they'll only make a half-hearted effort. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Aug 26 19:11:09 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 26 16:33:15 2015. 9/13 is a Sunday, longer headways. The only other option would be a supplement schedule that would be operated from midnight until the first train for Hudson Yds terminating the early trains at T/Sq.. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 27 09:59:43 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Aug 26 15:30:55 2015. On a related note, the 34th Street-Hudson Yards station is being uncovered on R188 strip maps. |
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Posted by GIS Man on Thu Aug 27 10:02:59 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Aug 27 09:59:43 2015. I haven't yet seen any mention of it on mta.info. Presumably they will not do so until the very day of opening, for fear of causing confusion.Bob |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 27 16:01:17 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Aug 14 15:48:44 2015. Right, and those are the maps I use for what I bring up. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 27 16:03:59 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Gene B. on Fri Aug 14 16:35:08 2015. The Arthur Ashe kids festival is this Sunday (August 30), the day before the US Open Starts as it traditionally is. The last preps for the US Open for the men end on Saturday to accommodate that. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Thu Aug 27 16:36:15 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Aug 27 16:01:17 2015. So, how many books about the subway and related areas (streetcars, ferries, tunnels, etc) and related fields do you have, Wally? I have 3 shelves full of them. Plus, I research the Brooklyn Eagle website, at least once a week. |
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Posted by The silence on Thu Aug 27 17:55:45 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by GIS Man on Thu Aug 27 10:02:59 2015. I think it's more because of how often they've had to change it already.The new Manhattan bus maps show it with "anticipated" to open Summer 2015, which technically, unless all hell breaks loose, they will meet that deadline by a week. |
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Posted by The silence on Thu Aug 27 17:58:49 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by randyo on Wed Aug 26 19:11:09 2015. That sounds about how they handled the opening of New South Ferry. That day went just fine, till the water main break shut down the West Side IRT. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Aug 28 00:27:27 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 26 16:33:15 2015. Aim---I've read a lot of posts about the #7 Line extension in Manhattan and it occurred to me as to why that line and maybe the "F" couldn't have been extended to eastern Queens where there are no subways I that I know of. Are those areas considered the backwaters or something, or too residential with single dwelling homes whose owners don't want the subways there. It's always been a head scratcher to me, just like the #2 and #5 ending at Flatbush Avenue and leaving the whole of the flatlands without any subway service whatsoever. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Fri Aug 28 00:47:05 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Aug 28 00:27:27 2015. AimWho is Aim? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Aug 28 00:56:14 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Aug 28 00:27:27 2015. or too residential with single dwelling homes whose owners don't want the subways thereI suspect at $200M/mile similar to what Paris recently paid for their brand new extensions, we'd see far more expansions. For $1B per mile, we get minimal extensions, especially in areas where people will complain about the noise, but building doesn't change the calculus too much given that there's minimal ridership to attract, and fare policies don't encourage bus -> subway -> bus usage, so the bus network would continue to run as is. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 28 06:27:23 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Fri Aug 28 00:47:05 2015. +1 |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 28 06:44:06 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri Aug 28 00:27:27 2015. Every "subway" line in Queens has always terminated at a "temporary" terminal. That means Main Street-Flushing, 179th Jamaica, 168th Jamaica, Parson-Archer, and Liberty/Lefferts. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 28 07:01:26 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 28 06:44:06 2015. Not the Rockaway terminals. Nor Astoria, nor Metropolitan. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 28 07:15:19 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 28 06:27:23 2015. Thanks. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 28 07:18:37 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 28 07:01:26 2015. Owned. |
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Posted by The silence on Fri Aug 28 08:34:52 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 28 07:01:26 2015. considerig he was rather specific... "That means".... He might have known what he was doing. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 28 10:09:21 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by The silence on Fri Aug 28 08:34:52 2015. I was focusing on Queens lines that head east and could/should have been extended.Astoria could head to LGA. The Rockaway service is simply bob-tailed to what the LIRR left it. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 14:35:10 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 28 07:01:26 2015. Actually, I had heard Astoria was also meant to be extended farther, I believe east along Ditmars blvd. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 14:40:33 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 28 06:44:06 2015. Both Flatbush and N/Lts were also temporary terminals with the N/Lts line intended to be extended east along N/Lts Av. The Flatbush Line was also intended to extend along Nostrand Av as a subway to around Ave M and as an el to Emmons Av. Although I have never actually seen documentation, I have heard that the tunnels for the Nostrand Av Line extend a couple of blocks past the S/E of Flatbush station and that they were actually exposed to public view until a new entrance was built at the S/E of the station although I’m not sure when. One of the problems with that extension is that I believe this tunnels end at the LIRR cut so extending farther would have been a problem. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Aug 28 14:50:15 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 28 06:44:06 2015. Wasn't 179th St. Jamaica built as a permanent terminal? I think it has 8 tail tracks on 2 levels.Or was it supposed to be a partial terminal like Continental with some trains relaying and some continuing to the (geographic) east? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 28 16:19:20 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by merrick1 on Fri Aug 28 14:50:15 2015. It was to be identical to today's Church Av. The upper level yard was to be the 4 track main to head east. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 17:23:33 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by Joe V on Fri Aug 28 16:19:20 2015. I’m not sure if all 4 tracks of the upper level were intended to go farther east or just the 2 middle ones. At 179 St, the outside or local tracks go to the lower level and expand to a 4 track yard. The inside or express tracks continue east and expand to 4 tracks with AFAIK only the 2 middle tracks intended to go east. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Aug 28 17:49:09 2015, in response to Re: 7 Line Extension Opening on Trip Planner, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 28 17:23:33 2015. I wonder how they chose that location. There is nothing in particular at 179th Street and Hillside. |
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