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Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 16:14:18 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 27 19:31:58 2015. Completely agreed, especially as to your point of the hidden costs of driving which are conveniently excluded from discussions of user fees for transit and roads.We especially forget the costs of death and injuries from traffic. Nearly 30,000 people have been injured in traffic crashes in New York City this year. I wonder if even 1000 have been injured using the New York City Subway. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 16:27:14 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Bill West on Mon Jul 27 22:25:32 2015. If your contention is that the government shouldn't be in the business of transportation, then I agree with you. But most forms of transit are subsidized, especially automobiles, not just in preferential spending, but a plethora of policies that for over half a century have encouraged automobile ownership and living outside of cities. Those too are subsidies.I love the city. I don't like trash on the streets or noise, but it has many other attributes I find appealing and essential to life. However, this discussion isn't whether we like or don't like living in cities, but whether the government should be in the business of subsidizing one form of living over another. If the costs of sprawl were were imposed on those who choose to live it, say by charging residents for roads according to the population they serve, few would choose to live in such places as the per person costs of providing infrastructure and services are so high compared to cities where there are economies of scale. As to private insurance. There are various estimates as to the cost of an American life, ranging from $800,000-$8,000,000. Too many times a reckless driver (one who runs a red light, speeds, or fails to yield to a pedestrian) has insurance that does not come close to recouping even the low end of that spectrum. Road violence is a largely unpunished crime, where many victims are not able to obtain even civil compensation. I don't want to pay for highways, so I didn't buy a car, but unfortunately, my taxes still pay for them. The road taxes you mention do not cover the costs of those roads. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 20:37:39 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 16:09:42 2015. nor have I learned how to driveO.M.G. Do you have any idea what you are missing??? |
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Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 20:39:04 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 16:14:18 2015. I wonder if even 1000 have been injured using the New York City Subway.Most likely, yes, there have been. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 20:40:35 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 16:14:18 2015. Nearly 30,000 people have been injured in traffic crashes in New York City this year.It's so worth it! (As long as it's not me or my loved ones injured.) Driving is AWESOME. Don't knock it until you've tried it. Go find some private property and a friend with a car and have some fun. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 20:42:25 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 16:27:14 2015. I don't want to pay for highways, so I didn't buy a carThat's a pretty ridiculous reason for not buying a car! Plenty of people buy cars and still largely don't pay for highways. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 21:18:56 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 16:09:42 2015. You benefit from those roads by way of the trucks that deliver the goods that you buy to the stores you buy them from. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 21:38:58 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 20:42:25 2015. It was a contrived line using analogous sentence structure as the previous poster to refute ise idea that roads are paid for solely with user fees, and that one can escape paying for roads by not driving.I don't own a car, nor do I drive because as a child I read a book about global warming flooding the coastal cities where I lived, and I figured preventing that fate should entail some personal sacrifice. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 21:46:35 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 20:37:39 2015. The suburbs and obesity? |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 21:57:51 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 20:39:04 2015. You're right. This report says 2.96 injuries per million riders and a little over 1.7 billion riders, yielding 5,054 injuries.Still, car crashes will likely injure ~55,000 New Yorkers this year (at current rate), and those injuries are probably more severe on average than most subway injuries. The number of people hit by a train per year is somewhere around 150, with all 55,000 car coming from being hit by a car. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 21:58:42 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 20:40:35 2015. Funny, I heard the same about heroin. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 22:13:23 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 21:46:35 2015. No, driving! |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 22:19:04 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 21:57:51 2015. Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower ManhattanAll? No one gets injured inside the car? |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 22:28:32 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 21:38:58 2015. nor do I drive because as a child I read a book about global warming flooding the coastal cities where I lived, and I figured preventing that fate should entail some personal sacrifice.C'mon, now you're just screwing with me. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 22:29:34 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 21:58:42 2015. I don't doubt it. Just because it is fun doesn't mean it is necessarily bad. My point stands. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 22:32:36 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 22:28:32 2015. That would be a good line, but I was seven and very impressionable. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 22:33:20 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 22:19:04 2015. Even if you're in the car, you're still hit by a car. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 22:45:12 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 22:32:36 2015. You poor thing. Seriously. You need a ride in a Tesla P90D with Ludicrous Mode. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 22:46:10 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Tue Jul 28 22:33:20 2015. Eh, not exactly. By that logic, if you fall down the stairs in the subway, you're hit by the subway stairs. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Wed Jul 29 02:21:22 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue Jul 28 22:46:10 2015. True, but unlike a car, subway stairs aren't moving when you fall on them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 29 02:28:56 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Wed Jul 29 02:21:22 2015. Ah ... sounds like you haven't exited on 53rd Street from the IND. :) |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Wed Jul 29 02:57:01 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 29 02:28:56 2015. Not often, but I transferred there pretty much every day in 11th grade, and I made a point of taking the stairs. I would rather run down the stairs then wait anxiously in the crowds on the escalator, asking myself if I'd make that E train just pulling into the station. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 29 04:21:40 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Wed Jul 29 02:57:01 2015. REAL natives prefer to hoof it, that's how it was when I was there. :)Yeah, the 53rd reference was because the escalators there were always legendary for either not moving at all, or moving in such a way that you'd end up face down. Your post there amused me, so I ran with it. Heh. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Jul 29 08:11:22 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by displaced angeleno on Wed Jul 29 02:21:22 2015. But it's all relative. For a car to hit you as a passenger in the car, you have to make the assumption that the person is still and everything else is moving. Make that same assumption with the subway stairs and it's the same thing. |
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Posted by displaced angeleno on Wed Jul 29 14:44:14 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jul 28 21:18:56 2015. True, but I would rather those roads not be subsidized as much, which would lead to more freight being delivered by rail. Casper even delivers mattresses by bicycle! |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jul 29 17:23:08 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by 3-9 on Sat Jul 25 15:42:52 2015. I drive under this building all the time on Houston St, never realized this was the old St Johns Park terminal. Currently USPS uses it in some capacity since all of their trucks are always backed up onto gates on the Houston St underpass |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jul 29 18:00:15 2015, in response to Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 24 14:37:46 2015. I drive under this building all the time on Houston St, never realized it was the former rail terminal. To be honest, I can't see it being of much use for commuter services. It's not near any major employment districts of the city. No access to the Hudson River tunnels, so you could maybe have used it as a secondary terminal for Empire and New England services, but that's about it. A bummer to see it not being used for rail anymore, but not a total devastating loss by any means. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jul 29 22:39:44 2015, in response to Re: Photo of NYC varnish at St. John's Park Terminal, Lower Manhattan, posted by NIMBYkiller on Wed Jul 29 17:23:08 2015. I didn't even know it still existed until this thread. :-) |
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