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Posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 28 21:03:43 2015, in response to Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jun 28 21:02:43 2015. The 5 R9s normally kept at 207th Street were used. The three (100, 484, and 1575) kept in the museum did not come out. With 6095 already out, using those cars as well would have left the museum with a lot of empty track. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jun 28 21:05:34 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 28 21:03:43 2015. Thanks. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 29 07:33:14 2015, in response to Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jun 28 21:02:43 2015. Since When did R-10s ply the BMT?I am surprised to see the Arnines in there. While the D did do Coney Island it was always and IND interloper. ROAR... er... GRRRrrrrrr. |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Mon Jun 29 08:03:38 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Dj Hammers on Sun Jun 28 21:03:43 2015. Heck you had to leave something Div B at the museum? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 08:45:10 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Jun 29 07:33:14 2015. R-10s ran on what is today's (J) line in the 1950s, and by the 1960s, they were plying the West End. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 13:17:12 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Jun 29 08:45:10 2015. I don’t recall R-10s being on the West End line in the 1960s at all. However, in 1970, when I was aM/M on the West End, I did get a slightly lost R-10 on one of my midday trips to 57/6 even though at the time the R-10s did not have 57 St signs. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Jun 29 14:34:59 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 13:17:12 2015. R-10s did run on the Brighton Line in the early 1980s if memory serves me correctly.--Mark |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 15:34:11 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Jun 29 14:34:59 2015. I would be very surprised if they ran on any purely BMT line at that time since they didn’t have proper BMT route or destination signs. |
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Posted by coneyisl on Mon Jun 29 18:26:54 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Jun 29 14:34:59 2015. You are correct. D train assignments from 78 and into the 80's shifted many times. For a period of time R-10s ran midday. They might have originally been called upon to dance the "Essex Street Shuffle" when cracks were first found on the North side of the Manhattan Bridge. I don't think 75 footers could navigate their way through the old downtown BMT to get to the Montague Tunnel (which ruled out R-44s). At least so I have been told. If anybody has been on the Yeti Ride at Disney World, that's kind of like what the Essex Street Shuffle felt like, albeit a bit slower (and without the Yeti). As a teenager it was a delight when an R-10 set pulled into 47-50th for the jaunt to Brighton Beach; but I remember sitting in the cars, looking around, trying to imagine what they would have been like when they were new. The motors strained their way up the hill from Newkirk to Avenue H, but it was fun just being there! Heck, at times it felt like the R-44s were straining their way up that hill too. R42/R40ms? No problem! |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 29 20:39:26 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 15:34:11 2015. I rode on an R-10 D train once in 1979 or 1980. Since there was no Brighton Beach sign up front, the south motor had a blank destination sign. Naturally, it thundered and blazed along CPW in typical R-10 fashion. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 29 22:43:28 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Jun 29 20:39:26 2015. Yeah, BB was a tough call on most IND equipment. With rare exceptions, it wasn't up there. Roll to white. :) |
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Posted by HANDBRAKE on Tue Jun 30 11:21:33 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by coneyisl on Mon Jun 29 18:26:54 2015. I rode a Brighton Beach bound D into Brooklyn in the summer of 1978. The south terminal destination was pale white linen only.R10 ran real hot & noisy from Newkirk to the "Highway." |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:53:46 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Jun 29 22:43:28 2015. Some of the R-1/9s got Brighton Beach signs painted over some destination or other that was no longer used. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 30 17:54:24 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by randyo on Tue Jun 30 16:53:46 2015. I did have a few that had it up there which were obviously BMT rolls based on things like 168 Jamaica and such. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 30 19:00:36 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 30 17:54:24 2015. They may have gotten original R-32 curtains. IIRC 1440 had an R-32 QB front sign. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 00:01:07 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 30 19:00:36 2015. Given that they were the same cloth as the usual arnine rolls, they might have been antiques from the BMT days OR they might have come off 16's or 27/30's. They were rare, but I'd always go rolling through to see if they were there on the south motors. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 13:46:34 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 00:01:07 2015. If I recall from my days as a M/M on the Easter, the post Chrystie roll signs installed on the Eastern’s R-9s were on cloth and not mylar so a sign reading 168 St/Jamaica would have been from that group. Most pre unification BMT destination signs were not necessarily station specific. A pre unification BMT roll sign on and R-1 might have simply read “Jamaica” rather that "168 St/Jamaica” like the signs for Canarsie and Astoria. In fact, even the original destination signs on the R-27s through 38s Read simply “Astoria” rather than “Ditmars Blvd” even though the Jamaica and Canarsie destinations were more street specific. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 1 15:47:48 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 13:46:34 2015. In fact, even the original destination signs on the R-27s through 38s Read simply “Astoria” rather than “Ditmars Blvd” even though the Jamaica and Canarsie destinations were more street specific.I remember seeing those on the R-27/30s in the late 60s/early 70s. In fact, IIRC, the north roll on the side signs just said "Astoria". The funny part is that the south roll said "95th Street/4th Avenue" (although I think the front sign just said "95th STREET" I suspect the lower-case signs (originally on the R-16s, later on all the SMEEs that had the 3-sign setup) said "Ditmars Blvd/Astoria" or just "Ditmars Blvd". Not sure, as I never saw a 16 on the RR. There are pics of 16s on the RR on nycsubway.org, but they seem to be from the late 60s before the lower case signs were installed (and in most of them, you can't see the side signs anyway). And of course, the R-42s signs did say "Ditmars Blvd / Astoria". |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 16:13:23 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 00:01:07 2015. Believe it or not, I obtained an upper side sign curtain that had been installed on that group of R-1s that served time on the BMT after the R-10s arrived. Included are 57th St. M'nh'tt'n, Astoria, Times Square, Chambers St. and City Hall. It actually had a newer Three Stooges Division curtain spliced onto it, and this is what was on display at Cityana Gallery, where I bought that sign. For the longest time I couldn't figure out what car class those BMT signs were used on. At first I thought it may have come from a Triplex, but then I learned that the original Triplex destination signs were printed on the wrong side and were only visible when that sign was illuminated. FINALLY I put two and two together. Frankly, I'm going to hang onto that curtain; I've never seen one offered before on ebay. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 1 16:53:47 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by randyo on Mon Jun 29 13:17:12 2015. I don’t recall R-10s being on the West End line in the 1960s at all. Line: BMT West End Line...Location: 55th Street... Route: (B)...Car: R-10 (American Car & Foundry, 1948) #3017... Photo by: Doug Grotjahn Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 3/14/1968...from nycsubway.org |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 1 17:03:06 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Jun 30 19:00:36 2015.  Location: DeKalb Avenue...Route: (QB)...Car: R-6-2 (Pullman, 1936)... #1208... Photo by: Doug Grotjahn...Collection of: Joe Testagrose...Date: 12/2/1971...from nycsubway.org |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 18:19:55 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by randyo on Wed Jul 1 13:46:34 2015. That would make sense then, because they had that AND Brighton "Bch" on them. They were rare though on the cars assigned to the D. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 18:20:56 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 16:13:23 2015. Cool! I've never seen one period. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 18:21:29 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 1 16:53:47 2015. Back then, if it moved at all, it went. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 18:23:29 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 1 17:03:06 2015. It wasn't unusual at that time for an F to become a D, and occasionally a QB as well. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 1 19:45:41 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 18:23:29 2015. It wasn't unusual at that time for an F to become a D, and occasionally a QB as well.I don't think that was a (D) or (F). There may have been some reason why those museum cars were pressed into (QB) service. All cars used on that (QB) were museum cars. #1208, now scrapped :( was the car Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia operated to open the 6th Ave subway. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 19:55:15 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 1 19:45:41 2015. I can see why it got scrapped then. :) While the vast majority of QB's that ran out of Coney were 27/30's, every now and then I'd get told to move the D rollsign to QB, I'm going to Queens. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 21:11:20 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 1 17:03:06 2015. Looks like an R-32 destination sign as well. The "S" on the original R-1/9 curtains sloped down diagonally. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 21:13:07 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 21:11:20 2015. And the CONEY Sign was definitely off its hooks. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 21:13:12 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 19:55:15 2015. I heard that 1208 was scrapped out of spite. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 21:14:57 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 1 16:53:47 2015. Racing stripe scheme and all! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 21:15:22 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jul 1 21:13:12 2015. Could be, but if you look closely at the photo, that last digit there was clearly a "2" ... whoops. :) |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 2 07:48:51 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 21:15:22 2015. Could be, but if you look closely at the photo, that last digit there was clearly a "2" ... whoops. :)You're correct. Perhaps he was posed in the cab on the return trip ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 2 07:50:23 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 1 19:55:15 2015.
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 2 13:02:57 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Jul 1 16:53:47 2015. Interesting but not really that unlikely. As I mentioned in my post, I actually operated an R-10 on a midday West End to 57/6 in early 1970 however, their appearance there was rare as was the case with R-10’s appearances on the pre Chrystie AA and BB. An occasional R-10 would show up there if it was needed to make full service. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Jul 2 13:08:53 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed Jul 1 15:47:48 2015. The signs with the lower case lettering were a little more descriptive that those that came before. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 2 16:19:35 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 2 07:48:51 2015. Or after a hard stop, a train going the other way. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 2 16:20:02 2015, in response to Re: Where was 1575 during the festivities?, posted by Newkirk Images on Thu Jul 2 07:50:23 2015. Looks like he was standing on the bench. :) |
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