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Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street? |
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Posted by heypaul on Sat May 23 07:08:31 2015 If there are no stairways at these stations, are train engineers ordered not to stop at them in the event of an emergency? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Sun May 24 04:43:46 2015, in response to Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by heypaul on Sat May 23 07:08:31 2015. And what is amazing is you got at 191st Street and one of the deepest stations of the system to Dyckman Street on the (1), which not only comes out of the tunnel, but is actually elevated. |
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Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street? |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue May 26 17:22:32 2015, in response to Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by heypaul on Sat May 23 07:08:31 2015. they have emergency stairwells |
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Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street? |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue May 26 20:23:58 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun May 24 04:43:46 2015. Yup, because Fort George Hill is very steep. So the train can go from being deep underground to being above ground while the roadbed stays just about flat. |
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Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street? |
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Posted by VictorM on Wed May 27 00:16:43 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun May 24 04:43:46 2015. Another amazing thing about 191 St is that, despite its depth, it can be exited horizontally using a pedestrian tunnel from the station to Broadway, which runs in a "canyon" between St. Nicholas Av and Fort Washington Av at that point. |
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Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street? |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 27 06:51:21 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue May 26 20:23:58 2015. That is true that the roadbed stays flat in that entire stretch.Few realize how much in a hurry the depths change otherwise over there. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 27 07:07:55 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by VictorM on Wed May 27 00:16:43 2015. I did not know that. Wow! |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 07:45:43 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 27 06:51:21 2015. Aye.It also dips into a huge valley (aka Manhattan Valley) in which 125th street is the lowest point, which is also why 125th on the  is on an elevated structure between 121st Street and around 132nd Street, give or take.From that point on, the area slopes almost steadily (155th Street and Broadway is an exception, and is actually a mini-valley itself) into Washington Heights, and Fort George at 191st Street (by Fort Washington Avenue and Overlook Terrace are the highest points in the city). |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed May 27 07:47:40 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by VictorM on Wed May 27 00:16:43 2015. Yeah, sure, everybody knows that. LION even walked through it just because it was there.ROAR |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 07:51:30 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 27 07:07:55 2015. Yup. Just gotta be careful. The underpass described can be a little bit on the dangerous side at night since it's pretty iffy on the lighting sometimes. Not to mention there's a bunch of water leaks. I wouldn't go in it after a huge rainfall. The tunnel on a good day.  This is with just ONE bulb out. Imagine if there's more than that...?! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed May 27 08:01:17 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by VictorM on Wed May 27 00:16:43 2015. There's also an external stairway, which may or may not be considered part of the station, but last I saw (several years ago) it was closed off due to poor conditions. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 27 08:22:40 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed May 27 06:51:21 2015. Few realize how much in a hurry the depths change otherwise over there.???????????????? Where do you get that from? How incredibly stupid do you think people are? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 27 08:23:27 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 07:51:30 2015. Those photos are probably old. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 27 08:23:48 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Union Tpke on Tue May 26 17:22:32 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by Ancient Mariner on Wed May 27 09:30:32 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 27 08:23:27 2015. Wasn't the passageway recently closed for some sort of refurbishment? I wonder what was improved, if anything. |
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Posted by GonzoUSN on Wed May 27 12:21:00 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Ancient Mariner on Wed May 27 09:30:32 2015. The tunnel received new LED lighting and recently was repainted with some wonderful artwork by local artists. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed May 27 12:45:41 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 07:45:43 2015. Highest points in the city (five boroughs), or simply in Manhattan? I think Todt Hill in Staten Island is the highest point in the five boroughs. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed May 27 13:51:04 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by 3-9 on Wed May 27 08:01:17 2015. A stairway from where to where? Outside stairs would not be too useful to access that station. You would have to go up, just to go back down again, or go down and then through the tunnel. There are some metal stairways in the area that are actually part of building fire escapes, not related to the subway at all. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed May 27 14:06:04 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed May 27 13:51:04 2015. It was a stairway from just outside the upper entrance to lower "street" level. Presumably the stairs was an alternate to the tunnel. The stairs were blocked at the time so I couldn't explore it.I seem to remember that the upper entrance also had an ancient token booth, but my memory is very hazy on that. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 27 14:11:37 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 07:51:30 2015. OMG. Ain't going there!! |
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Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street? |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 14:49:13 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by GonzoUSN on Wed May 27 12:21:00 2015. Hmm. Worth a look next time I'm going to that spot. |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 14:50:36 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed May 27 12:45:41 2015. It may just be Manhattan. I think you're right about Todt Hill.If anyone has ever driven along Victory Blvd. from just west of Bay Street to Silver Lake Park, they know that's a HILL! LOL |
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Posted by chud1 on Wed May 27 14:53:20 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 07:51:30 2015. bottom picture is spooky.chud1. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed May 27 17:50:24 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 14:50:36 2015. I had read somewhere that Todt Hill is the highest point on the entire Eastern seaboard. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 28 06:09:58 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 27 08:22:40 2015. I'm talking about the person unfamiliar with the area.Obviously, those who live there know differently. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 28 07:20:12 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 28 06:09:58 2015. What area? Define the area. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 28 08:57:34 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 28 07:20:12 2015. Already defined in other posts. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 28 14:50:46 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 28 08:57:34 2015. No it wasn't. Please answer the question. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu May 28 15:09:45 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by randyo on Wed May 27 17:50:24 2015. You are correct."At 390 feet above sea level, Todt Hill’s elevation, as measured by the Staten Island borough president’s office, is the highest natural point on the Eastern Seaboard south of Maine, according to the United States Geological Survey." NY Times 9/5/2011 --Mark |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu May 28 19:03:24 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed May 27 14:50:36 2015. Heh, or better yet walked it. (Although I think the hills going up from Richmond Terrace to St. Marks Place are even steeper, and I'm sure some hills up in The Bronx could give the Victory hill a run for its money).I remember last year, there was a time when traffic was backed up for miles along Victory Blvd, in part due to the fact that people had difficulty going down that hill. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Thu May 28 23:10:56 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by VictorM on Wed May 27 00:16:43 2015. 
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Posted by GIS Man on Tue Jun 9 10:21:53 2015, in response to Re: Come to Think of It, Do 181st & 191st Have Stairways to the Street?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu May 28 15:09:45 2015. 412' according to our contours and elevation data.Bob |
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