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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Apr 15 16:33:30 2015 anyone think it would be a good idea? |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 16:38:10 2015, in response to "Ferry Chat", posted by ntrainride on Wed Apr 15 16:33:30 2015. I do not know if our Barracuda Web filter will allow us to talk about fairies. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 16:39:48 2015, in response to "Ferry Chat", posted by ntrainride on Wed Apr 15 16:33:30 2015. I do not know if our Barracuda Web filter will allow us to talk about fairies. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 20:05:43 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 16:38:10 2015. clap your hands so tinkerbelle doesn't die............... |
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Posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 20:06:57 2015, in response to "Ferry Chat", posted by ntrainride on Wed Apr 15 16:33:30 2015. ya know, I think it would be. As long as there are threads to keep it going, why not? |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Apr 15 22:12:58 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Express Rider on Wed Apr 15 20:06:57 2015. afa historical new york city railroading anyway, ferries are huge. tottenville-perth amboy, brooklyn annex, the federal express boat train...lotta stuff to ponder. |
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 16 02:09:58 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by ntrainride on Wed Apr 15 22:12:58 2015. Several ferry routes and a lot of history behind them. Unfortunately, I know nothing about Ferry history or operations.I was very young, 3 & 1/2 in April or May 1954 but I remember a ferry from the west side across the Hudson to Hoboken(?). My grandmother came down from Middletown to help when my brother was born (we lived in Queens). When she went back, our family drove her from Queens to the west side. I don't remember much, just there was a crowd, and my grandmother was standing across from us. Then there was some kind of gate in front of us, and the boat ferry started pulling away. My grandmother waved, and she and everyone else on the deck got smaller and smaller with the increasing distance. I didn't get that it was a ship, my parents must have explained that to me. About a year later in the spring of 1955, the co-op nursery school I was in, piled all the kids onto a bus, and we drove to south Ferry, and took the Ferry to Staten Island. This I remember very well. We all stood right out on the deck, just back from the gates, and could see the harbor. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 02:20:47 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 16 02:09:58 2015. Your mystery ferry to Hoboken was the Erie Lackamoney ferry. Ran from Barclay and West Street downtown.
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Posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 16 02:28:59 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 02:20:47 2015. Thanks for the photo. My Dad said the popular expression he always heard, was the "Weary Erie." |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 04:13:37 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 16 02:28:59 2015. It was a truly sad and pathetic railroad that I had the misfortune occasionally to have to actually use. But NO railroad sucked balls like the Jerky Central. Those are two railroads that DESERVED to die because of the shitheads that ran them. :( |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 07:20:21 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Express Rider on Thu Apr 16 02:09:58 2015. I was very young, 3 & 1/2 in April or May 1954 but I remember a ferry from the west side across the Hudson to Hoboken(?).If it was 1954 would have been run by the Lackawanna Railroad, either from Christopher Street or Barclay Street. The Christopher Street run ended in 1955 but the Barclay Street boats lasted until 1967. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 08:15:22 2015, in response to "Ferry Chat", posted by ntrainride on Wed Apr 15 16:33:30 2015. I like the idea but the next question is who would operate and maintain ?I usually post maritime events on the Almanac. I do this because many here follow other modes of transportation as well and there really is no other place to get this news. Very often trips on ferryboat and motor vessel afford photos opportunities of rail structures and trains from a river view. Were you thinking of starting a new board? Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 08:18:05 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Apr 15 16:38:10 2015. I do not know if our Barracuda Web filter will allow us to talk about fairies.We could talk about the Newverland Faires, the Tooth Fairy, the Spring Fairy even the Staten Island Fairy. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 16 12:48:14 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 08:15:22 2015. who would operate and maintainSubChat.com, obviously. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:15:47 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 07:20:21 2015. I believe that the Christopher St Ferry was run by the Erie not the Lackawanna. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 19:45:40 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:15:47 2015. I used to take care of the Theatre deLys' sound system back in 1969 when Vonnegut's "Happy Birthday Wanda June" was playing there on Christopher Street. While the show was going on, I'd wander around down there (you can only watch the same old stuff so many times) and would walk down to West Street and see the pier there while the highway was still up.I'm pretty sure it said "LACKAWANNA" there up on the front without the Erie. I know the one further south was a joint pier though. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 20:01:18 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by randyo on Thu Apr 16 19:15:47 2015. I believe that the Christopher St Ferry was run by the Erie not the Lackawanna.The Christopher Street Ferry was run by the Lackawanna Railroad. The Erie Railroad ran the Chambers Street Ferry. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 20:05:45 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 20:01:18 2015. The Barclay Street ferry was a joint operation though to Hoboken. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Apr 16 22:54:52 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 16 12:48:14 2015. Bump. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 17 02:02:24 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 04:13:37 2015. Wow, Was Jersey Central that bad? What kind of mismanagement occurred? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 02:12:31 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 17 02:02:24 2015. Bad maintenance, bad scheduling, bad labor relations and horrid, horrid conditions. I had to take that POS down to Red Bank often to get to Monmouth and if the train ever showed up, it was a 50-50 chance that it would get south of Elizabeth and still move.You know you've got idiots running a railroad when the engine runs out of fuel 5 miles out of Jersey City. :-\ |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 17 03:14:56 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 02:12:31 2015. You know you've got idiots running a railroad when the engine runs out of fuel 5 miles out of Jersey City. :-\O..M..G |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 03:55:43 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 17 03:14:56 2015. I won't even bother getting into the cars hadn't been cleaned since the 1920's. There's reasons why passenger railroads went to hell. :( |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 17 04:05:26 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 03:55:43 2015. You wouldn't know it from the people who reminisce about the railroad. :-) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 04:47:17 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 17 04:05:26 2015. Don't get me wrong, the crews were always great when they rolled their eyes knowing what happened, and tried to keep their sense of humor. But if you rode the lesser railroads on a regular basis, they made the subways look good. :)So I guess we should just blame government since based on what we hear, it was THEM running the railroads, back in the golden age of politics that we want to elect again now. Heh. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 17 07:28:37 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 17 02:02:24 2015. No. It wasn't. It was a proud organization with a long and illustrious history. Many lament the loss of the CNJ. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 08:16:04 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 20:05:45 2015. The Barclay Street ferry was a joint operation though to Hoboken.It was after the 1960 merger of the Erie and Lackawanna Railroad. Prior to that it was a completely a Lackawanna operation. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Apr 17 08:25:56 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 08:16:04 2015. pwn3d |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 08:31:56 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 16 04:13:37 2015. It was a truly sad and pathetic railroad that I had the misfortune occasionally to have to actually use. But NO railroad sucked balls like the Jerky Central. Those are two railroads that DESERVED to die because of the shitheads that ran them. :(A little bit of hyperbole? Both railroads suffered heavily from the loss of traffic to trucks and passengers to the highways. Their also was the loss of a great deal of the coal traffic, the Lackawanna's lifeblood when many home and apartment houses switched to oil. There were very heavily taxed by the state and the had to maintain large suburban train services. They also suffered a great deal of damage from two hurricanes and didn't have the resources to make repairs. In any experience that I had with either railroad the crews and staff were friendly and helpful and the morale was high. You would not have had this if the management with as bad as you say. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 17 08:39:52 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 08:31:56 2015. Motherf$&@ing owned!!!!!You're defeating SelkirkTMO left and right! Way to go, Larry! |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Apr 17 13:11:44 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 08:15:22 2015. admittedly, it was a shot in the dark, without due consideration of the requirements of maintaining a "sub-chat" discussion area. re ferries: my own personal experience was, riding the staten island ferry, gradually acquiring knowledge of, primarily, the history of the north river ferries of all the railroads terminating at the west side of the river, lamenting their loss (and my never having an interest in them when the last ones still ran), and being amazed and overjoyed when lower manhattan-hoboken service resumed. it was like, an el train fan seeing the third ave el starting up again. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 13:18:31 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by ntrainride on Fri Apr 17 13:11:44 2015. I assume that you have Brian Cudahy's excellent book, "OVER AND BACK", about all of the NYC ferries. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 17 13:27:53 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 20:01:18 2015. Thanks. I stand corrected. I recall the Chambers St ferry but I couldn’t remember which RR operated it. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Apr 17 13:32:07 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 13:18:31 2015. yeah. in fact, and this is unbelievable, i recently picked up a copy for a buck, at the sayville library. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 13:59:02 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Elkeeper on Fri Apr 17 13:18:31 2015. I assume that you have Brian Cudahy's excellent book, "OVER AND BACK", about all of the NYC ferries.Another very good book is "Railroad Ferries of the Hudson" by Raymond J. Baxter and Arthur G. Adams. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 14:17:09 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by ntrainride on Fri Apr 17 13:11:44 2015. I believe it to be a good idea. I don't hesitate to post maritime news on this board and very often it does have some relation to a rail topic. Have you tried the West Coast Ferry forums. Its a different kind of setup but they do have a section on the northeast and last years I posted several threads. I was lucky enough to ride the hudson River Day Line as a kid, not to mention the Weehawken and Newburgh-Beacon Ferries when they were still steam powered.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by ntrainride on Fri Apr 17 14:33:33 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 14:17:09 2015. i'll check it out. the situation far a "historically minded rail/bus/streetcar ferry fan" in nyc is pretty cool now. one possible multi-node boat to boat "circle route" from lower manhattan is s.i. ferry to st. george, sirt to eltingville, s89 to 34th street, bayonne, hblrt to hoboken terminal, ferry back to lower manhattan. with numerous possible diversions to still end journey in lower manhattan. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 16:30:37 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 17 07:28:37 2015. Heh. Yeah, you rode it regularly in the 1960's. Uh-huh. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 16:37:05 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 08:16:04 2015. Thanks! Signage on the post card seemed to be of an earlier time. They never did get around to fixing the one on the pier at Christopher though. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 16:39:45 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 08:31:56 2015. I used to take it to Fort Monmouth on a regular basis. Absolutely correct about the employees doing their very best and doing eye rolls over the wreckage of the railroad. But for us "regulars" they would remind us of how long they'd gone without raises or a contract and some of the recurring stupidity they had to deal with on a regular basis.I must admit I did enjoy some free rides because they ran out of tickets here and there. :) |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 17:41:55 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by ntrainride on Fri Apr 17 14:33:33 2015. You might want to check out the website of the Working Harbor Committee.They sponsor boats rides into parts of the harbor that are not otherwise accessible. Last year they had a circumavigation of Staten Island. This coming May they are running trips up Newtown Creek and the Gowanus Canal.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 17 17:46:09 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 16:30:37 2015. Yep. Ok. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 17 17:48:13 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 17:41:55 2015. What parts of those trips are normally inaccessible? |
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Posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Apr 17 17:58:29 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Apr 17 17:48:13 2015. READ THE POST. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 18:13:13 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by TUNNELRAT on Fri Apr 17 17:58:29 2015. Obligatory "pwned." ;) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Fri Apr 17 19:57:21 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Thu Apr 16 08:15:22 2015. I am fine with boat related subject on Subchat. I have already done it occasionally, too. And I don't think there would be enough posts to have a separate "Chat". |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 19 21:36:27 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 17 03:55:43 2015. Yet there are people who thing the Aldene connection was a big mistake. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Sun Apr 19 22:00:29 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by SUBWAYMAN on Sun Apr 19 21:36:27 2015. it was for jersey city. |
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Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Mon Apr 20 13:15:33 2015, in response to Re: ''Ferry Chat'', posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Fri Apr 17 17:41:55 2015. This coming May they are running trips up Newtown Creek and the Gowanus Canal.I hope the boat's bottom is properly reinforced! --Mark |
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