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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:42:54 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 26 22:41:04 2015. The problem is, some people do put money above all else and think workers should have to come in no matter what.That's why I would not be surprised if there are lawsuits that come out of this to block the state from ever doing this again. |
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Posted by j trainloco on Mon Jan 26 22:44:01 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 26 20:36:32 2015. Yes. The people suffering the most from the shutdown are not workers in the financial sector. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:46:33 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by j trainloco on Mon Jan 26 22:35:41 2015. It did. I suspect Cuomo is afraid of a lawsuit from something happening especially if Hillary decides not to run for President in 2016 and Cuomo sees an opening and he can run OR Cuomo is thinking ahead to a possible 2020 or 2024 Presidential run and does not want any potential lawsuits from a snowstorm on his watch as Governor used against him in political advertising. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:48:30 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Dave on Mon Jan 26 21:36:48 2015. They had such stairs in 2003 and 2006 and no lawsuits happened then, nor to my knowledge did they happen in 1983, 1996 or other snowstorms.This to me is fallout from the late 2010 fiasco that was caused by circumstances that in many cases were outside the MTA's control. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 26 22:49:07 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:46:33 2015. Oh please... |
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Posted by j trainloco on Mon Jan 26 22:49:31 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jan 26 22:38:59 2015. Why is this being speculated upon as though it has never happened before? NYCT has always kept service running during similar snow events. Express service shuts down, trains are stored on the express tracks (according to a detailed plan), and local service keeps operating, both on subway segments, and on elevated steel structures. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jan 26 22:50:59 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:23:39 2015. Shutting down mass transit was part of the state of emergency that Gov Cuomo declared. If you want to sue to open the subways during this blizzard, good luck, unless you have their addresses and a snowmobile! |
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Posted by j trainloco on Mon Jan 26 22:52:38 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Italianstallion on Mon Jan 26 22:41:31 2015. Correct. Plan V does NOT call for a full shutdown. We were being instructed to be prepared to come to work, and Bianco's letter to us did NOT indicate that a shutdown was even being considered... |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 26 22:56:25 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:46:33 2015. God you are obsessed with lawsuits. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:58:36 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 26 22:49:07 2015. Well, that's politics these days.It's the kind of thing that could come back to bite Cuomo if he runs for President in 2016, 2020 or 2024. That I think may have played into this if he's the one who specifically ordered it out of concerns a lawsuit could be used against him in advertising if he runs for President. In a world of 30-second sound bytes, that's all some people see. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 23:02:34 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jan 26 22:50:59 2015. This would not be about this storm. This would be about FUTURE snowstorms that they would be suing about to block the Governor from ever doing this again. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Jan 26 23:03:23 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jan 26 22:50:59 2015. For a lawsuit to be initiated, there is a legal concept called "cause for action" Based on the established powers of the Mayor and the Governor in a clearly obvious weather emergency, it would be a real stretch to try and establish. And even if some judge decided to end his career by signing a TRO, it would be immediately lifted on appeal. which is the normal manner of dealing with cases seeking injunctive relief against a government agency. Only time may tell if the suspension was a good or bad idea, but no court was going to stop it. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 23:03:58 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jan 26 22:50:59 2015. This would not be about this storm. This would be about FUTURE snowstorms that they would be suing about to block the Governor from ever doing this again. |
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Posted by Jace on Mon Jan 26 23:04:08 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:31:13 2015. To an extent you're right. Never mind the part about lawyers and lawsuits, to the MTA there's nothing worse than bad publicity and they got plenty of that by stranding loaded trains and buses during the 2010 storm. Some of the reaction we're seeing today is undoubedly a result. But you also have to remember how Sandy played out: Cuomo looked like a hero by standing before the storm and shutting everything down. Compare that to NJT's performance and how that reflected on Christie.From Sandy Cuomo learned that there is far more to gain politically by being proactive when a big storm is approaching than by waiting. The political risk he faced would have been that he overreacted and that by being too cautious he caused, utlimately, more economic harm than good by forcing a shutdown. That's of course not how it played out; people were safe and sound and they were grateful. That's a huge pile of fuel for the political ego. He's following the same script with this storm by being the one who makes the big, early announcement about the closures. If the storm fizzles out, then no one will complain about a snow day off but if it does build as expected, he's the hero once again. He'll keep following this playbook as long as he's in office and others will surely follow. The keys are: wait for the big storm and don't do this too often, no matter how tempting... |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Jan 26 23:07:27 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 23:02:34 2015. What legal principle would be applied? What law or contract is being violated or breached? It might not be the right thing to do, I don't have a crystal ball, I just can't see a way a lawsuit could prevail. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 23:10:47 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by pragmatist on Mon Jan 26 23:03:23 2015. I was not talking about this case, which they had to do for other reasons (namely winds of 50-60 MPH). I was talking about where lawsuits would be filed to specifically block the Mayor or Governor, even in a state of emergency from shutting down the underground portion of the subway system when it had never been previously in a snowstorm going forward, citing potential unintended consequences to Wall Street, especially in an era where it is necessary to be open and fully staffed as much as possible.I would not be surprised if we see the NYSE and NASDAQ and/or major Wall Street firms put major pressure on Cuomo to never do this again and threaten to take him to court if he doesn't agree to it. The way the economy is now, we could see some major unintended consequences on Wall Street because of this, especially if people can't be at their desks. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 23:11:42 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by pragmatist on Mon Jan 26 23:03:23 2015. I was not talking about this case, which they had to do for other reasons (namely winds of 50-60 MPH). I was talking about where lawsuits would be filed to specifically block the Mayor or Governor, even in a state of emergency from shutting down the underground portion of the subway system when it had never been previously in a snowstorm going forward, citing potential unintended consequences to Wall Street, especially in an era where it is necessary to be open and fully staffed as much as possible.I would not be surprised if we see the NYSE and NASDAQ and/or major Wall Street firms put major pressure on Cuomo to never do this again and threaten to take him to court if he doesn't agree to it. The way the economy is now, we could see some major unintended consequences on Wall Street because of this, especially if people can't be at their desks. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 23:17:51 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by pragmatist on Mon Jan 26 23:07:27 2015. Precedent:This to me is all about what happened in 2010 when the MTA was ill-prepared. While Cuomo could site Irene and Sandy as reasons for shutting down (which was the right thing to do in BOTH of those cases), the MTA got along just fine in 2003, '06 and so forth when they were properly prepared and that along with how Japan dealt with the earthquake/tsunami in 2011 AND Super Typhoon this past fall (BOTH of which were actually WORSE than Sandy) would likely be what would be used in a lawsuit to block Cuomo from in the future shutting the system down except where absolutely necessary. 2010 had a set of extenuating circumstances in my view directly related to the Christmas Holiday that caused what happened to then. This to me is Cuomo thinking ahead to a potential Presidential campaign in 2016, 2020 or 2024 where if there happened to be a lawsuit from not closing the subways during this storm, it would be used against Cuomo in advertising by rivals in both a primary and general election. Especially in a world of 30-second sound bytes, that is all some people see unfortunately. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Mon Jan 26 23:19:10 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:09:38 2015. I knew you reminded me of someone...someone who thought up utterly ridiculous explanations to simple questions. I couldn't put my finger on it but now I've got it...AMoreira. You are the second coming of Adam Moreira. |
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Posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Mon Jan 26 23:22:45 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 23:17:51 2015. You are CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO...CUCKOO... |
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Posted by pragmatist on Mon Jan 26 23:32:05 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 23:10:47 2015. Now some of that is reasonable. The banking and financial industries have a love/hate relationship with the city and state politicians over a myriad of issues for years. They have fought for tax breaks for development and keeping/adding jobs, and fought against oversight and regulation. They certainly hated Spitzer because of that. Happily, Preet Bharara the US Attorney for the SD of NY has stuck it to them repeatedly. They really don't need that many people to get the markets open, they intend to try and open tom'w. A day closed is not as big a deal as it used to be. Any pressuring will be done behind the scenes, they can not win in court, they have no case, but that doesn't mean the fight can't take place in a different forum. |
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Posted by R30A on Mon Jan 26 23:50:26 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jan 26 22:38:05 2015. The Crews are out there anyway. Trains are running. The public is just not being allowed on them. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 00:28:48 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 26 22:24:11 2015. as fredg said on OTchat, NYC is losing is MOJO.this is an example. |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jan 27 00:41:17 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by R30A on Mon Jan 26 23:50:26 2015. Bingo! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 00:57:26 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by pragmatist on Mon Jan 26 23:32:05 2015. Well now that apparently the storm totals have dropped considerably (looks like Boston is going to get slammed, however), there likely will be major pressure on Cuomo to never do this again.If any of Cuomo's donors tells him NEVER to shut down the subways again unless it's a Sandy-like situation where it really was necessary, would Cuomo listen, especially if such donors refused to donate to his Presidental campagin if he runs in 2016, '20 or '24. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 00:58:34 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Mon Jan 26 23:22:45 2015. All I'll say is you're not necessairly looking at the bigger picture. We live in a world of sound bytes where many people only see those sound bytes and that to me may have played into why Cuomo did that (which may very well wind up backfiring on him because the snow totals have since dropped). |
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Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jan 27 01:02:48 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Jan 26 21:26:04 2015. Bingo +2 |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 27 01:13:21 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 26 22:16:25 2015. Unless they go nuts salting the roads. This is the time of year when manhole covers in the city of Albany try to go into orbit after road salt water finds its way into the underground feeder cables which haven't been spliced as neatly as they should have been. :) |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 27 01:13:31 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jan 26 22:38:59 2015. There is really no need to get trains from “somewhere” like outdoor yards since during the PM rush the maximum number of required trains is out there running anyhow. After the rush trains that might normally go to the outdoor yards are being laid up on express tracks so that any lines that operate entirely underground and possibly even some lines that operate on el structures as opposed embankments or cuts could operate also. |
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Posted by GOlD_12tH on Tue Jan 27 01:30:19 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:58:36 2015. Where did you get these idiotic ideas from? |
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Posted by WillD on Tue Jan 27 01:31:56 2015, in response to Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Jan 26 18:58:05 2015. They don't get a letter denoting their ability to travel on closed roads? |
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Posted by The silence on Tue Jan 27 01:33:29 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 23:17:51 2015. Wallyhorse, always there to provide that little push for when you want to slam your head into the wall, but have no motivation...Look, what happened in 2010 and what is happening now do not add up to grounds for sueing anyone. Little news flash, but New York usually has a full news slate on all the major holidays. The reason no one was ready for the storm was it wasn't a threat until just before it hit. Every time you come up with nonsense... A subway line isn't running on a ethnic holiday, the pols will sue. The Mets will be upset. A tunnel is closed, people sueing All this happens people sueing. Just stop. No one but the governor has the authority to order the MTA to be open or closed during a NATURAL DISASTER... "But in Japan they..." screw what the Japanese do. This isn't Japan. If they want to do something, fine, but it doesn't mean we have to do it simply because they are... |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 01:59:46 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by GOlD_12tH on Tue Jan 27 01:30:19 2015. From seeing things that are WAY more stupid than that which actually have been effective in elections.Fact is, we live in what for many is a 30-second sound byte world that makes it where many people might seen one short ad and that's what they think of a candidate. As long as that is the case, Cuomo likely has to think of those things, especially if he is looking at a Presidential elections. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:06:47 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Jace on Mon Jan 26 23:04:08 2015. Where the complaints will come is when people have to in some cases now work on Super Bowl Sunday (that they would have had off otherwise or if they planned to take the day after off, work on that) and have those parties "ruined" because they have to make up the 1 1/2-2 days lost, Cuomo won't be looked at so kindly.Sandy and Irene before it were two completely different animals. Irene actually did directly hit NYC, though luckily as a Tropical Storm and not the Cat. 2 Hurricane it was expected to and of course we all know about Sandy. It would not surprise me if Cuomo is told by his primary donors NEVER to shut down the NYC Subway system again unless it's a Sandy-like situation or face unintended consequences that could come back to haunt him if he decides to run for President in 2020 or 2024 (assuming Hillary runs in 2016). |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:12:17 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jan 26 22:37:48 2015. I never said fully operational.I said the UNDERGROUND portions (as randyo correctly noted) should have been kept running and certain above-ground portions as long as those portions don't have snow preventing them from running properly. That is the part I suspect Cuomo will be told NEVER to shut down again under any circumstances UNLESS a Sandy-like storm that is an obvious threat to flood the system. Cuomo may very well be warned by Wall Street if he ever does this again he could face unintended consequences and blowback, including his donors withholding funds for a possible Presidential bid in the future. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 27 02:14:17 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 18:11:30 2015. What would be the legal basis for such a suit? I think the MTA has pretty wide discretion as to what is in the public interest as far as how and when to operate its trains and buses. Any such lawsuit would probably be thrown out of court right away, likely dismissed as "frivolous". |
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Posted by Stef on Tue Jan 27 02:21:22 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Tue Jan 27 00:41:17 2015. Hey Boss---Fire Watch/Sweeper Trains are in full swing on the Lower White Plains Line. These trains are being used as taxis to get all transit employees to their work locations/homes. Station Agents are getting the privilege of using these taxis as the booths are still manned despite the closures... Haven't seen any diesels sweeping as of yet, no de-icers, etc. Wonder how the R156's handle this weather? Found a pair being used for the snow throwers at Unionport. Regards, Stef |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 27 02:22:54 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:09:38 2015. I think that is what happened. System-wide shutdowns for weather never occurred in the whole first century of the subway system, clearly it is not happening now because the weather or climate has changed, but rather because our culture has changed. The 2010 Christmas storm Wallyhorse talks about was the precipitating (no pun intended) event, but if it hadn't been that, it might well have been something else. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:25:49 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by The silence on Tue Jan 27 01:33:29 2015. Well:With this storm apparently fizzling out considerably, this is not going to look good for Cuomo. It would not surprise me if key donors make it clear to him to ONLY do this in the future if it is a Sandy-like storm that really does threaten the system or face unintended consequences that could include withholding funds from a possible Presidential campaign in the future because of this type of a shutdown making it impossible for some people to get to work and in the process teeing off clients and costing companies money. Oh, and the post-Christmas 2010 blizzard had the snow totals upped to 15-18" by Christmas Morning (after being 6-10" Christmas Eve Night) and it was known in weather circles that it was going to be a huge storm. It was not that widely known until Christmas Night, however, due to the fact that many local stations only did an 11:00 PM newscast that day because of the holiday. Unless you were like me and happened to be watching special webcasts (notably Glenn "Hurricane" Schwartz on WCAU-TV, NBC10 in Philadelphia who actually came in on his own as I remember to do those in that case) on Christmas Day, you were not as likely to be aware of how much that storm had exploded and how dangerous that storm was about to become (and since then, as noted local stations have kept a regular schedule on Christmas Day after never previously having done so for the most part because they didn't want people to have to come in on Christmas Day until late). I stand by my view that had it NOT been Christmas, the MTA would have been much more aware of how big that threat was because people would likely have been monitoring it much more closely and would have had access to normal media (which in a similar situation now they would) and would have properly prepared for that storm. including shutting down the portions where the stuck trains happened. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:29:37 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by The Silence on Mon Jan 26 21:14:35 2015. Maybe, maybe not, but as has been noted in this thread, they can effectively do the same thing in other ways, especially if key donors are PO'ed that workers who otherwise would have been able to get to work could not because of the subway shutdown. Cuomo knows those donors are key if he decides to run for President and especially with the reduced amounts, this could come back to bite him unless he agrees never to do this again during a snowstorm and let the MTA handle it without his interference. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:30:53 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by TerrapiN StatioN on Mon Jan 26 19:28:30 2015. Well, there apparently are other ways without going to court that Cuomo could be told by Wall Street never to do this again. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:36:40 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 27 02:14:17 2015. Since I wrote that earlier, it was noted that Wall Street firms might not even have to go to court to make it clear to Cuomo they are PO'ed (which they likely are, especially with the reduced snow totals).Cuomo likely listens to his donors, and if they were adversely affected by a subway shutdown because of people not able to get to work, he could be told by such donors NEVER to do it again outside of a Sandy-like situation where it really is necessary or face having contributions withheld from a potential Presidential bid in 2020 or '24. THAT would get his attention. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 02:52:36 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Michael549 on Mon Jan 26 22:38:59 2015. That's apparently not what this was about. In my view, what Cuomo was concerned about the MTA screwing up like they did in 2010 and that leading to a lawsuit that in 2020 or '24 winds up being used against Cuomo by an opponent in a Presidential campaign if Cuomo runs then (or even next year if Hillary decides not to run).I stand by what I said about that storm's problems being caused by the MTA's being caught off-guard due to the Christmas holidays falling right before that hit leading to a lack of normal media (that now would not be the case because of changes made since then) and people not monitoring like they normally would have otherwise due to family/religious commitments related to Christmas that now would not be tolerated. With the reduced totals, Cuomo is likely going to look REAL bad in a lot of circles, especially by people who likely now will be very angry, especially if they now have to go into work on Super Bowl Sunday in order to make up for the day missed. I can see him being told by key donors and Wall Street interests to ONLY shut down the underground portions of the subways in the future like that if it is a Sandy-like situation and ONLY in a snowstorm if the totals are expected to be 50"+ or more or face having donations withheld from any potential Presidential campaigns. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:25:21 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Dyre Dan on Tue Jan 27 02:22:54 2015. Exactly:The MTA never screwed up like they did on any of the other storms. The 2010 storm had a special set of circumstances caused in my view entirely by the Christmas Holiday. Between people having family/religious commitments and the lack of normal media being available because of that, it likely was not realized until Christmas Night (when newscasts finally did come on at 11:00 PM) by many how much that storm had exploded even if those of us who did follow more closely knew what was about to happen at least 12-15 hours earlier. That delay is what in my view led to the problems that we saw with the stuck trains in 2010 that never happened in previous storm and those happened on the OUTSIDE portions. And yes, if that had not been the case, it might have been Irene or Sandy with flooding. This storm fizzling out as it has, however, could have major blowback for Cuomo in a lot of people PO'ed, especially if they now have to go into work on Super Bowl weekend to make up for not being in during the week with him possibly being warned by Wall Street to ONLY close the underground portions in the future if it's a Sandy-like situation where flooding is a potential major issue. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:32:19 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Dave on Mon Jan 26 21:30:01 2015. To a point:The problem is, Wall Street has to look at the global circle. I'm sure a lot of workers who can't be at their desks today and/or tomorrow are going to be extremely PO'ed if they now have to go into work on Super Bowl weekend and have those parties screwed up (and those are very important in a lot of ways). The point was, the underground portions have NOT been shut down in a snowstorm for many, many years, including other record-setting storms in 1983, '96, 2003 and '06 and the MTA never had problems. 2010 was to me caused by the Christmas holiday being where it was and that playing havoc with media availability (since corrected) that caused the MTA to be ill-prepared as while it was known by Christmas morning the storm was going to be bad in weather circles, unless you were watching special webcasts many people didn't find out until Christmas night, which caused much to be done too late. And since writing what I did, it's been noted Wall Street may not even have to take the state to court to make it clear never to shut down the underground again UNLESS it's a Sandy-like situation where flooding is a major concern. They can make it clear to Cuomo doing so would have unintended consequences that could include for him having donations withheld if he decides to run for President in 2020 or '24 for example. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:36:01 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 26 22:42:54 2015. Actually, not even lawsuits, but Cuomo being told by key donors unless it's a Sandy-like situation where flooding is a major issues NEVER to shut the underground portion down again like this or face having donations withheld from a 2020 or '24 Presidential campaign. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:50:26 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by italianstallion on Mon Jan 26 22:56:25 2015. Not at all:I'm looking at what may have really been behind it. It's been no secret Cuomo wants to run for President at some point (something his father never did as I recall) and he may have been concerned that keeping the system open, the MTA screwing up and a lawsuit happening from something going wrong would be used against him in a Presidential campaign. Given the "30-second sound byte" world we live in, that is what people would likely see and that to me is a big problem as a whole. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:53:26 2015, in response to Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jan 27 01:13:21 2015. Not surprising:Jeff Rossum did a couple of recent reports on NBC about how electricity has found there way onto the sidewalks to where in some cases, touching a lamp post could even be deadly (I believe those were in DC). A lot of that has been from underground wires that have become corroded or worse in recent years. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:57:50 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by j trainloco on Mon Jan 26 22:52:38 2015. Which tells me Cuomo did the shutdown out of concerns the MTA would screw up and if that happened (and a big lawsuit came out of that) t could years from now be used against him in a Presidential campaign (it's no secret Cuomo wants to run for President at some point and a lot of what he does may be with an eye on that). |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jan 27 04:00:06 2015, in response to Re: Question for the Transit workers here Re: All Transit Closing at 11 Tonight, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jan 27 03:50:26 2015. LOL.The rest of America does not care about NYC subways and would not see it as an issue in primaries or general election. |
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