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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 00:11:35 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Nov 13 15:08:09 2014. Oh you're one to talk. You smell like a dead skunk that's been left out in the sun for a week. Does your house even have a shower? Or do you live under an overpass? |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 00:12:05 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 13 15:32:54 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 00:16:59 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 6 00:55:52 2014. Ah, so Errapin Statio doesn't have a moral system I guess. Figured as much— the way he acts kind of gives that away. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 00:59:33 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Nov 7 10:49:05 2014. Yes, it's a different system that happens to lead to the same stance on the given issue (the death penalty). I hold that it is necessary to uphold the dignity of the human person over and above "the pursuit of happiness." And therefore, we would not start with happiness and then impose restrictions (represented by clauses) because we "noticed" that human beings have dignity, which is your method. Rather, we would start with human dignity and then explore what options such dignified human beings may have in order to live their lives well and as happily as possible. There is indeed a difference, just not one that affects the death penalty stance.How big is the difference in practice? Are there any issues where it will be important? Seems like it at first, but not necessarily. It is not intrinsically necessary that whatever is wanted is exactly what should be pursued. Very often something (such as happiness) simply occurs because something else was pursued. In fact, it is ironically very possible that happiness is best "obtained" by avoiding pursuit of it! However, so long as you and I both realize that happiness is an extremely ambiguous term, I'm willing to accept it and move on. Pursuit of happiness is a very generic term that basically just means doing what you like. If we lived in separate universes where our paths would never cross, anybody would be able to do what they liked all the time. Since our paths do cross and people have different and conflicting interests, we need a moral system to resolve the conflicts. Using overall pursuit of happiness as the fundamental goal basically just means that the moral system should work such that people with conflicting goals should take the compromise that gives the most people the most of what they want overall— simplified slightly to make it workable as a social policy. I must disagree. What difference does it make (looking in from the outside) if some people are extremely happy while others are entirely unhappy if you have still increased overall happiness? Why does overall happiness depend on an even spread of it? Why is an even spread required? That's the "science" part of morality. There is essentially a finite limit on how happy one can be. Or rather, if you view morality as conflict-resolution, then no one can face less restrictions on their activities than none at all. In practice, this means the only way to increase happiness overall is to give more people the means to pursue it— you can't bring up the average by making a few people substantially happier. There is no inherent reason for equality without it coming "from above." Nature in general follows the rule of "survival of the fittest." Why should we be any different as human beings? You absolutely must start with dignity (over and above happiness) in order to reconcile this. I don't see what you mean by "above." The idea of human dignity is an emergent property of my moral system and a definitional aspect of yours, but it's hardly a physical thing that can be measured— it's a function of our relationship with other humans. As for "survival of the fittest," that's really just a misinterpretation of evolution. Evolution favours genes that are good at replicating themselves. A gene that makes the organism who carries it form societies and work for the mutual benefit of other carriers of that gene will be "fit" from an evolutionary perspective— altruism is a positive-sum game where the recipient receives a benefit greater than the cost to the giver. In fact, a gene that makes me willing to die in order to save the lives of two other people with that gene would have a strong selective advantage— although I, personally, end up dead, the gene pool ends up with two copies of the gene in the people I saved rather than the one I was carrying. Of course, looking at nature to determine how we should behave isn't a good idea. Just because something is universally true doesn't mean we have to like it and it doesn't mean we shouldn't work to change it. Our history has left indelible marks on our psyche— we instinctively treat the people we know and the people similar to us as special and everyone else as a massive "them" to be - at best - treated as less important. Yet slowly over time we've been fighting against that instinct, accepting larger groups as "us" and warming our opinion of "them." But then the question arises. . .why have a moral system at all? Is it necessary that we come up with one to begin with? How about just "everybody for themselves?" The very idea of a moral system assumes first and foremost a recognition of a certain dignity that is already there before the moral system is born. There's no need to assume innate dignity as the basis of a moral system— just rational self-interest. If we went with "everyone for themselves," then I, personally, would be worse off— and everyone else would be saying the same thing. If every single one of us would prefer not to have that system, why should we use it? That's the absurdity of it, and the reason we have a society in which this can be discussed in the first place— altruism evolved because it is selfish from a genetic perspective, and morality was developed because it is selfish from an individual perspective. A moral system needs to account for practicality— that is, can everybody be convinced that it's a good idea to follow the system or at least generally accept its validity. No one will accept the validity of a system that hurts them, so a moral system needs to be all-inclusive and fair— essentially, to assume human dignity. I have basic agreement with your treatment of an understanding of science. I do not agree, however, that happiness should be x, for reasons I partially give above. The dignity should be x, and happiness will come along. Honestly, it seems like overall happiness and human dignity are a pair of linked traits— each one necessarily follows from the other, so having one requires having both. In that case, it's not really meaningful to talk about which one comes "first." If you light a piece of wood on fire, this results in chemical changes to the wood and the release of energy. It's not really meaningful to say which one comes "first" since they're both linked products of the same reaction. Releasing energy requires the chemical changes to the wood, and applying those changes inevitably releases energy. Similarly, if you declare human dignity of paramount importance, you'll end up with maximal happiness as an inevitable result, while if you declare maximal happiness of paramount importance, you must assume human dignity to allow it. In either case, the distinction between the trait you declare of paramount importance and the trait that is absolutely required to achieve it is pretty much moot. Human dignity either exists or it doesn't. If it doesn't exist, then why not just go to "survival of the fittest?" The happiness of those who survive will cover for those who don't. If it does exist, then it exists whether we remember to throw it into our moral system or not. In that case, it had to come from without. We need that dignity to tell us why our happiness indeed should be "pursued." That it exists doesn't make it a physical object. It's an abstract concept— an idea we all agree to accept because it's in our self-interest to do so. Imagine a twelve-dimensional green sculpture made out of foam. This sculpture doesn't exist, of course, but the idea of it does because I thought of it. However, this idea would not exist if I hadn't thought of it, and it wasn't handed to me by some external entity. We certainly don't need human dignity to tell us why we, personally, should pursue happiness— that's the one thing we want entirely for its own sake. Since I want happiness as its own end rather than the means to another, I attempt to pursue it. My ability to pursue it is easier if I do not face malicious action from other people. In fact, when it comes to my personal ability to pursue happiness, the harm I face from malicious action is substantially greater than the benefit I might receive from committing malicious actions myself. As such, a blanket ban on malicious action would benefit me. Because everyone else on the planet is following the same reasoning, we all agree to a blanket ban on malicious action because we all personally benefit from it. We then invent the term "human dignity" as a shorthand to describe the idea that every one of us has a right to be free from malicious action because we've all agreed to that system because it benefits all of us. Basically, we have dignity, we want happiness. Instead of starting with what we want, which is extremely ambiguous, we should start with what we believe we have, and see if that tells us how to proceed. We must believe in our dignity in order to have this moral system; it is not necessary to believe that happiness exists to be pursued though, in order to follow this system. (Not that we wouldn't be happy in the end). Except to some extent, it's the other way around— we have a desire for happiness first and foremost because "happiness" is what we want by definition. Given that desire, we start thinking (individually, without regard for others) about what how we might achieve this goal and each of us independently arrives at the same conclusion, that postulating a concept of "human dignity" and agreeing that it should be universally respected is absolutely vital to our ability to successfully pursue happiness. Since everybody arrives at that conclusion, it becomes universally accepted— human dignity is an idea which arises organically out of rational pursuit of individual happiness, and is universally accepted by any and all rational people because for anybody to disagree with the idea is contrary to basic self-interest. Human dignity is certainly not a physical trait that exists independently of our belief systems. Of course, do keep in mind that my explanation above relies on the fiddly and miserable statement: "Assume all people are rational." In actuality, rational people are few and far between; truly 100% rational people will probably never exist. Many people don't believe in the notion of human dignity because they rationally considered how best to pursue their desires and reached the inexorable conclusion that postulating human dignity and seeing the idea universally accepted was necessary; rather, they pursue their desires according to heuristic mechanisms refined by evolution to be just effective enough to allow survival and reproduction over multiple generations, and believe in a very limited concept of human dignity that applies primarily to people who look and act like they do because that inclination was instinctively programmed— ie, since universal acceptance of human dignity is in our own self-interest, evolution has programmed the notion into our instincts in the sloppy and flawed way evolution does everything. Of course, having that notion programmed into our instincts does make better moral systems possible— if we instinctively understand the idea: "It's just wrong to kill my friend," it doesn't take an impossible effort to convince people "...and also, it's wrong to kill other people's friends. Even if you don't like them." The last hundred thousand years have been a haltingly gradual process of slowly but surely increasing the number of people that it's just wrong to kill. The key lesson, though, is that a moral system that no one will agree to follow is worthless. People will try to pursue happiness no matter what. Using pursuit of happiness as the basis of a moral system doesn't just hold it up as a core value— it essentially says: "Here's a better way of doing something that you were inevitably going to do anyway." Or to put it another way— if you use human dignity as the core principle of a moral system, where does the human dignity come from? If a rational and risk-averse but selfish and childlike person asked why he should believe in the idea of human dignity, what would you tell him? If you use the intrinsic value of happiness as the core principle of a moral system, the rational risk-averse selfish childlike person wouldn't even need to ask the question— he already knows that he wants happiness for himself because he just does, so it's merely a question of explaining to him that if he agrees to respect other people's efforts to pursue happiness, then they'll agree to respect his, yielding a net gain for his own efforts. By the way, my apologies for the delay in responding to you. I actually wrote the bulk of this post over a week ago but I never got the chance to finish until now. I do appreciate your willingness to have this discussion, though. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 02:56:00 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 00:09:04 2014. I KNOW who you are,so you disagreement is noted,and rejected.The true beauty of this necropost,that you NEEDED to rehash,is simple. You cannot accept the concept of my beliefs due to your 'humanistic philosophical' accent. You scoff at others over something you have come to hate,just because you lacked what those who have faith confirm. The True beauty of this,no matter how you protest,whine,cry and FEEL about this...not One single word of your claptrap will change my mind about YOU... nor do We ever need to have this conversation again. Oh I'm sure you'll need to Para phrase,or resort to infantile tactics..but Again..it will be meaningless. So please,carry on..show us how brilliantly demonic you are. |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 03:13:00 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 02:56:00 2014. None of that made any sense whatsoever.What, exactly, do you believe? What's a "humanist philosophical accent?" What, exactly, do you think I "hate?" What do you mean by "brilliantly demonic?" |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 03:13:25 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 02:56:00 2014. Truth is a constant.By awakening, we live. This life is nothing short of a flowering spark of magical empathy. It is in flowering that we are recreated. Intuition is the growth of energy, and of us. Today, science tells us that the essence of nature is will. Nothing is impossible. Reality has always been aglow with storytellers whose brains are transformed into complexity. We are at a crossroads of beauty and dogma. Humankind has nothing to lose. Only an entity of the biosphere may harmonize this network of beauty. You may be ruled by delusion without realizing it. Do not let it extinguish the nature of your story. Selfishness is born in the gap where non-locality has been excluded. Pain is the antithesis of learning. We exist as supercharged waveforms. Faith is the driver of presence. The goal of a resonance cascade is to plant the seeds of choice rather than greed. Potentiality requires exploration. We reflect, we exist, we are reborn. The grid is buzzing with electrical impulses. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 26 08:42:34 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 03:13:25 2014. i laughed |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 26 08:42:58 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 00:09:38 2014. Nope. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 26 08:43:53 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 00:59:33 2014. tl;dr |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 26 09:23:49 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Nov 13 10:43:51 2014. It's not proof that a deity doesn't exist either. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Nov 26 09:55:10 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 26 09:23:49 2014. So? It's also not proof that the Invisible Pink Unicorn doesn't exist, but are you going to therefore worship the IPU? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 26 13:35:47 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 26 09:23:49 2014. His mind's too clouded with dogma to consider that. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 18:14:33 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Wed Nov 26 03:13:00 2014. Why ask what you already know?Why don't you consult the electric wave,or the multicolored rainbow,or even that whispering entity who feeding you your nonsense? Better yet,why ask Why..when You already have the answer's? Yeah,I know... You want to Know what I know..to get into a long pointlessness debate over YOUR faith in what ever you pull out of the ether. That Is the Point of this,right? You want to 'talk' about how much you love You..your ego..and the thrill it gives you. Well...tell you what,since your conversation will amount to fish wrap anyway..I'll give You the benefit of the doubt by entertaining you. You Talk..I'll listen. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:18:37 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 26 08:42:58 2014. Then where is he? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:22:10 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Nov 26 09:23:49 2014. No, but the fact that belief in gods predates any meaningful understanding about how the world works without ever being confirmed by such understanding is evidence that it doesn't. The fact that we are instinctively predisposed to believe that even if it's false is evidence that it doesn't. The fact that consciousness and intelligence appear as an emergent property of particular chemical reactions occurring in a chunk of meat that can only occur under limited circumstances is evidence that it doesn't. And, more generally, the fact that there is a complete absence of the evidence we'd expect to find if a deity did exist is evidence that it doesn't.So I think this one counts as settled. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:31:14 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 26 13:35:47 2014. So do you actually subscribe to a religion, or are you just doing your standard "I HATE PURPLE! I HATE TUESDAY! I HATE EVERYTHING!" routine? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:33:49 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 26 08:42:34 2014. Glad to hear it! :) |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:34:15 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 18:14:33 2014. What on Earth are you talking about? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:39:09 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 18:14:33 2014. It was twelve days ago, it must have been. No, not twelve- hundreds. Sixteen Sundays, even. I've been counting. I can tell you haven't. Names are unimportant, but I know yours. I'll never tell him, don't worry. I know better. You know. I can't say. He who rises with the tides, master of all things small and insignificant. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:40:23 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Edwards! on Wed Nov 26 18:14:33 2014. Nothing is impossible.Faith is a constant. Awareness is the driver of joy. Reality has always been beaming with dreamweavers whose lives are enveloped in wellbeing. The wellspring of intuition is now happening worldwide. We are being called to explore the multiverse itself as an interface between ecstasy and transcendence. We must enlighten ourselves and ground others. How should you navigate this spatial totality? The quantum cycle is calling to you via superpositions of possibilities. Can you hear it? Prophet, look within and ground yourself. Only an entity of the quantum soup may spark this revolution of ecstasy. Ego is the antithesis of life. Yes, it is possible to extinguish the things that can disrupt us, but not without truth on our side. Today, science tells us that the essence of nature is healing. Without ecstasy, one cannot heal. We can no longer afford to live with selfishness. You must take a stand against bondage. The complexity of the present time seems to demand a redefining of our dreams if we are going to survive. Where there is dogma, passion cannot thrive. You may be ruled by ego without realizing it. Do not let it sabotage the growth of your vision quest. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:50:14 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 13 23:05:05 2014. He sounds like he's posting the output of a random theological bullshit generator.I have yet to find one online, though I did find a post from someone who claimed to have written one and it isn't all that hard to do. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:52:07 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Edwards! on Thu Nov 13 15:29:15 2014. You're not making any sense, are you all right?Leave me now, blasphemer! Not the tides, fool! Don't you understand? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:53:19 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Nov 26 08:43:53 2014. I'm having a philosophical discussion with New Flyer. You wouldn't understand. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 06:00:33 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Nov 13 13:12:45 2014. Then you're even dumber than I already thought. Wow.So you're a Christian and a Muslim now? Because you have no qualms in saying they follow easily corruptible books despite having the same "controls" you do. First of all, I have no idea what protections are in place for Christian and Muslim texts and no comparison should be made. Right. Errapin Statio doesn't know about it, therefore it doesn't exist. Second of all, I made no claim that it couldn't be corrupted. I quite clearly stated: "Controls were put in place to prevent that from happening. So your scenario ("all our existing copies are copied from the original source of the error") is unlikely." Controls were put in place on SubChat to prevent people from posting your real name, Errapin Statio, and yet that can be done easily. Since you have not named any controls put in place on the Torah at all, let alone explained how they can prevent inevitable copying errors, your claim is unsubstantiated. That sucks. But I'm sure other links can be found that are more clear. Good. Then you should be able to find a few. So are you claiming thousands of copyists over thousands of years were all infallible? No. Or that someone told to be very careful will never make a mistake? No. That safety measures against failure will be 100% effective when followed, and that they'll be followed 100% of the time? No. If a mistake happens during the copying, which is highly unlikely for a whole bunch of reasons), then it would would probably be found by someone else and either corrected or destroyed. Ah, so what you're saying is that the copyists are almost infallible and the error correction methods are infallible. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 27 07:11:07 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:22:10 2014. Well, i hope you have a happy Thankgiving anyway, and that you give thanks to whatever entity or non-entity you think appropriate. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 08:14:21 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Dyre Dan on Thu Nov 27 07:11:07 2014. I hope you have a happy Thanksgiving and suggest you give thanks to the people who actually help and support you rather than give credit for their actions to an imaginary man in the sky. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Nov 27 08:24:24 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:22:10 2014. Did an asshole troll answer my reply to SP? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 08:43:37 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Nov 27 08:24:24 2014. Yes. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 16:43:00 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:18:37 2014. Huh? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 16:47:13 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 05:53:19 2014. No, you're not. He's pouring his heart out to you and you're being Johnny Bullshitter III. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 16:50:15 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 06:00:33 2014. Ah, so what you're saying is that the copyists are almost infallible and the error correction methods are infallible.Correct!!!!! I disagree with everything else you wrote. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 20:16:32 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 16:43:00 2014. You said God exists. So where is he? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 20:17:35 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 16:47:13 2014. You just said you didn't even read it, and I know you wouldn't understand it if you did. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 20:21:19 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 16:50:15 2014. Correct!!!!!Then you're an idiot. If your claim that the Torah contains no errors relies on assuming that humans are perfect, then your claim is unsubstantiated. I disagree with everything else you rote. But you can't offer any actual reasons for doing so, which means you're being irrational again. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 20:29:50 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 20:16:32 2014. Where did I say that? LOL! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 20:30:39 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 20:17:35 2014. I read one line or so. That counts. I stand by my statement. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 20:37:00 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 20:21:19 2014. If your claim that the Torah contains no errors relies on assuming that humans are perfect, then your claim is unsubstantiated.Again you're commenting on something that you have no knowledge of. That makes you an idiot. I would never comment conclusively about a subject that I have no knowledge of. Anyhow, like you guessed, there are infallible error correction controls in place. But you can't offer any actual reasons for doing so, which means you're being irrational again.No, I just don't want to bother, because you're an asshole. I don't waste my time with assholes. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 22:16:02 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 20:29:50 2014. Are you saying you're an atheist? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 22:23:38 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 20:30:39 2014. I read one line or so. That counts.It's a philosophical discussion, which covers complex issues. So no, reading one line isn't nearly sufficient to understand it. If you did understand it, can you articulate a coherent summary of the points I made? Somehow, I doubt it. I stand by my statement. Of course you do. That's the Dunning-Kruger effect— you're so completely unable to understand what I said that you can't even understand that there is a meaning that went over your head. An uneducated person would read a paper on quantum physics and say: "I don't understand a word of this. Clearly, I lack the necessary expertise to grasp its meaning." You would read it and say: "I don't understand a word of this. Clearly it has no meaning." |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 22:34:25 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Nov 27 20:37:00 2014. Again you're commenting on something that you have no knowledge of. That makes you an idiot.Are you claiming I have "no knowledge" of writing or copying, or of the limits on human ability and flaws inherent to human nature? We're not exactly talking about obscure or complex ideas here. Any book which is copied by hand thousands upon thousands of times by people with a very strong motivation to make deliberate alterations is bound to have accumulated a few errors. You are claiming your favourite book has a special magic exemption to these facts, but have not offered any evidence to substantiate this claim. I would never comment conclusively about a subject that I have no knowledge of. HA! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! You are too funny. :) Anyhow, like you guessed, there are infallible error correction controls in place. Which are? Do tell. Thus far, humans have never been "infallible" at anything. Whatever method allows humans to achieve perfection is bound to have greater value than merely copying books. No, I just don't want to bother, because you're an asshole. I don't waste my time with assholes. Or in other words, you don't actually have any reasons and you are, in fact, being irrational but you simply lack the maturity to admit it. Oh and speaking of which, if you read your last post and my last reply, you will notice that in my quotation of your words, a rather critical "w" was omitted, transforming "wrote" (ie, committed to paper) into "rote" (ie, memorised through repetition). This copying error slipped unnoticed past your infallible error correction methods, and as such I can safely conclude they do not exist. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 11:22:41 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 22:16:02 2014. No. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 11:23:19 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 22:23:38 2014. Diane Kruger!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Nov 28 12:46:51 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 11:22:41 2014. So then you did say God exists. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Nov 28 12:49:51 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 11:23:19 2014. So you're not only too incompetent to understand that your lack of competence might preclude your comprehension of what I wrote, you're also so incompetent that you can't comprehend my explanation of the fact that your incompetence precludes you from recognising the presence and impact of your incompetence.David Dunning and Justin Kruger would love to meet you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 13:35:18 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Thu Nov 27 22:34:25 2014. wrong |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 14:18:22 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Fri Nov 28 12:46:51 2014. No. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 14:19:09 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Nilet on Fri Nov 28 12:49:51 2014. I would not love to meet them. But I would love to meet Diane Kruger!!!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Nov 28 14:19:34 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 13:35:18 2014. Aw, you ran out of reasons?Looks like you got pwn3d again, as you would say. Thus it is resolved: (1) The Torah has accumulated many copying errors (and "errors") over the centuries. (2) Humans are not infallible and you are not an exception. (3) Your claim that infallible error correction methods exist for the Torah is erroneous. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Nov 28 14:20:05 2014, in response to Re: Orange Is the New Black actress vs. Homophobic moron preacher on uptown (M) train, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 28 14:18:22 2014. Which is it? Do you believe God exists, or are you an atheist? |
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