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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:23:14 2014, in response to (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:21:23 2014. While some Ridgeites are still celebrating the return of the R line – closed the summer of 2013 for extensive Superstorm Sandy-related repairs – others have already enlisted the help of local politicians in easing a wait-time that has since nearly doubled. “Every day during the rush-hour this week, there has been a long wait for a Bay Ridge train, followed by several R trains back to back,” wrote one local resident in an e-mail to this paper on September 19, just four days after the R line’s revival. “Last night, the first R train entered Bay Ridge/95th Street at 6:55 p.m., followed by three additional trains back-to-back. “People waited up to 20 minutes for a train, then had four trains come in a row,” he went on. “This also affects train service going the other way, since if there are no trains to send out, people up and down the line will experience very long waits and irregular service.” Councilmember Vincent Gentile is no stranger to complaints like this. “Our office has been told that service has gotten worse, not better,” he explained at Community Board (CB) 10’s October meeting, held at the Fort Hamilton Senior Center, describing delays and train cuts that have left many riders at their wits’ end. According to Gentile, after more than a year of construction, there have been a few bumps in the road. “We’ve got to get Bay Ridge back on track,” stressed Gentile just one month after the line’s full return. He told the crowd that he had already penned a letter to Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) President Carmen Bianco formally requesting a full audit of the entire line, from 95th Street to Forest Hills. “Residents of Bay Ridge deserve better,” wrote Gentile in his letter, noting specifically that the audit “should include but not be limited to, the number of subway cars used, the frequency of service in relation to the overcrowding, and the state of the subway equipment used.” Gentile said that he will use the findings in the audit to hold the MTA accountable for inadequate service and see what recommendations can be made to improve service on the Ridge’s only line – something the MTA says they look forward to doing. “We have completed reviews of the F, L and G lines and are in the process of looking at the A/C line,” said MTA Spokesperson Kevin Ortiz. “We have also been engaged in a system-wide look at running times, but held off on the R until the Montague Tube was reopened to begin to collect that data. That process is ongoing. In the meantime, we look forward to working with Councilmember Gentile on identifying ways to fund our upcoming capital plan which prioritizes replacing subway cars, renewing track, and installing new signals to provide safe, reliable service.” Riders are encouraged to contact Gentile’s office with complaints of service at 718-748-5200 or via email at VGentile@council.nyc.gov. http://www.homereporternews.com/news/general/local-pol-looks-into-r-train-service-delays/article_c323f8f8-5faf-11e4-892c-cbc5a3c47c52.html |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 30 00:35:53 2014, in response to (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:21:23 2014. Give Gentiles peeps the R32's.That'll give him something to really complain about. C line riders wouldn't mind. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 01:19:41 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:23:14 2014. Complaining about the R46?Hell,they are the best looking cars on the rails. The 160s,although much newer, are bland as bland can be. This is exactly why Fourth Avenue needs another local services... one which could be furnished by extending the J to 95st. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 01:19:41 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:23:14 2014. Complaining about the R46?Hell,they are the best looking cars on the rails. The 160s,although much newer, are bland as bland can be. This is exactly why Fourth Avenue needs another local services... one which could be furnished by extending the J to 95st. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 01:23:16 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 30 00:35:53 2014. Funny thing about that...The R32s aren't bad cars...for 50 year old. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Oct 30 01:27:30 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 30 00:35:53 2014. Politicians know so much about the subway system that they can always speak about the system with complete authority - so long as they have their crib notes. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 30 02:07:54 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:23:14 2014. It seems like they've given up on battery runs... |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu Oct 30 06:14:37 2014, in response to (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:21:23 2014. "And more old cars appear to be on the tracks, riders said. The dingy, 1970s-era cars aren’t just a throwback, they’re a morale issue, said one elected official.“From a psychological point of view, it’s just a downer,” said City Councilman Vincent Gentile (D–Bay Ridge). “You work all day and this old train is taking you home.” So now we need a flying team of psychologists at R train stations to counsel riders for the trauma? Or maybe they could run with the '70s theme: play disco music and encourage riders to wear retro clothes. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Thu Oct 30 06:37:20 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 01:19:41 2014. R46's may be old but they seem to be reliable and quiet and have lots of seats compared to the newer cars. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 30 07:45:01 2014, in response to (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:21:23 2014. You can’t spell erratic without a double dose of “R.”
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 30 08:03:45 2014, in response to (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 00:21:23 2014. Last time I rode on the (RR), nice new R-27s BTW, I got off at Whitehall Street and was inducted into the Navy and sent to Vietnam via Chicago.I'd stay off that (RR) train if I were you. BTW we spelled it Viet Nam back in those days. ROAR |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Oct 30 08:13:38 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 30 00:35:53 2014. They had the 160's for when the tube was closed and they took em away so they have to complain about it. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Oct 30 08:23:50 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu Oct 30 07:45:01 2014. Same thing I thought of. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Oct 30 08:26:22 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Oct 30 08:13:38 2014. I really don't see why they just don't split the 160s between the F and R lines... the 46's seem to be fine on the A so I'd imagine they can still run OK on the F even in there senior age... Besides the 2 line used old cars prior the 142s coming when there was much younger 62/As in the system. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 30 09:44:43 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Oct 30 08:26:22 2014. You do not assign cars to routes to be fair.You assign cars to YARDS so that a yard need only care for one kind of car or two, and not the whole fleet. Fleets are assigned to yards, Routes are assigned to yards. Your route gets what your yard operates. ROAR |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Oct 30 09:51:21 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 30 09:44:43 2014. The maintenance facility for the R is Jamaica Yard.Jamaica Yard has the R46 and R160 class of cars assigned to it. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 30 10:23:27 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Thu Oct 30 09:51:21 2014. Yes, that is what I thought, but I have not been to the city and so was not sure. Why this car here and that car there? Mostly, I suppose, to keep things simple.ROAR |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 12:16:03 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Oct 30 02:07:54 2014. There are many complaints R riders have, and that R riders are very vocal about.- Waits of 25 minutes at rush-hour, followed by 4 trains in a row - Late night shuttle trains that leave a minute ahead of connecting D and R trains - Late evening weekend service cuts since tunnel re-opened, where every other southbound train drops out at Whitehall - Past weekend: waits of 30+ minutes all afternoon & evening (both Saturday & Sunday) due to severe reduction in number of R trains |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 14:57:52 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 12:16:03 2014. Yup..all of which is more than enough reason to send J trains south of Broad st to 95th st. |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Thu Oct 30 15:30:36 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Oct 30 08:26:22 2014. I see 3-4 sometimes 5 sets of R160s on the R on a daily basis since Montague's reopening./ |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Oct 30 16:07:26 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 14:57:52 2014. In other words - Bring back the RJ. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 30 16:35:48 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 14:57:52 2014. Nope.Send the (RR) Astoria to 95th 24/7 at full saturation capacity Send the (N) to Continental via 63rd Street Send the (Q) to 125th Street via Second Avenue Build new yard for (RR) trains at 39th Street in Brooklyn ROAR |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 30 18:28:28 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by murray1575 on Thu Oct 30 06:37:20 2014. These people watch too much HGTV. Any kitchen over 15 years old is "dated". So when they see simulated woodgrain on the R46's, they get ill. |
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Posted by R46 5636 on Thu Oct 30 18:36:34 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 12:16:03 2014. The (R) on weekends is terrible. I love it when they send the (E) local. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu Oct 30 19:18:45 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 14:57:52 2014. The problem with sending Js through to 95 St is that it would just be another long line prone to delays due to its length. Instead of having one unreliable service serving 95 St there would be two. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Oct 30 20:23:32 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 30 18:28:28 2014. These people watch too much HGTV. Any kitchen over 15 years old is "dated".I don't watch HGTV and my kitchen is about a century old... |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 30 20:25:03 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Edwards! on Thu Oct 30 14:57:52 2014. I'd say run a Bankers 4th Av local, start out Bay Parkway, 59th Street, 9th Avenue, I don't care.There are no excuses why the RR doesn't work, and people at the TA ought to be told to polish up their Resume's if they can't make it work. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 30 22:13:03 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 12:16:03 2014. Help me out here.I can understand that the R-train on Queens Blvd shares its tracks and terminal with the M-train, until Queens Plaza. I can understand a bottleneck with the switching of the M-trains between the R and E train tracks. (Except that on the weekends the R-trains have exclusive usage of the Queens Blvd local tracks and terminal.) Then at the 60th Street tunnel, the R-train has to be switched both into and out of the stream of N and Q trains for the journey both to/from Manhattan. (Except that on the weekends only the N and R trains use the 60th Street tunnel - unless there's something happening on the #7 line.) Then at/about 42nd Street/34th Street, the Q-train may/may not be switched into/out of the stream of N and R trains to/from Queens. (On the weekends both N & R trains are local, and the Q-train starts/ends at 57th Street unless there's something happening on the #7 line.) Then again near the Prince Street station, the N-trains have to be switched into/out of the stream of R-trains to/from the Manhattan Bridge. Then possibly at the Whitehall Street station some R-trains may terminate there, and possibly some R-trains terminate at the Canal Street station (to use the trackage about the City Hall station). Unless there's a work-train, the R-train alone uses the Montaque Street tunnel to the DeKalb Avenue station. Unless there's something going on, the R-train has the exclusive use of the Brooklyn 4th Avenue local tracks both to and from the 36th Street and 59th Street stations, and of the tracks to/from the 95th Street terminal. Wondering, Mike. |
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Posted by Abba on Thu Oct 30 22:14:08 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by randyo on Thu Oct 30 19:18:45 2014. I think there should be 2 services.Yes there are long lengths but at least you get a better chance at a train.I was at pacific today,I needed the D.I was there for about 8 min no R whatsoever. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 22:31:43 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by R46 5636 on Thu Oct 30 18:36:34 2014. Its beyond horrible on the weekends. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 23:32:57 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Abba on Thu Oct 30 22:14:08 2014. After September 11th, the J ran like clockwork to 95th middays, rush-hours and evenings. (No merging delays with other lines in Manhattan and Queens.)After Hurricane Sandy, the Brooklyn R shuttle ran like clockwork to 95th middays, rush-hours and evenings. Bay Ridge trains are often severely late because of what happens between 71/Continental and Canal St. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 23:36:54 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 22:31:43 2014. This past weekend was the worst of the entire year, when "real time" headways were 25-30 minutes all weekend, caused by severe cuts in service due to trackwork at/near Atlantic Ave. (Trains run more frequently during nighttime hours and during Plan IV snow schedules, than they did this past weekend.) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 30 23:37:39 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 30 22:13:03 2014. People always blame delays on merges and remerges. A well-run railroad that has been doing this for over 100 years should be able to manage such things. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 30 23:42:13 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 23:36:54 2014. The last two weekends was beyond horrible even in Queens. |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 23:46:52 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 30 22:13:03 2014. Stand at 59th/4th for the next 3 weekends (during the continuation of the Atlantic Ave trackwork) and you'll be shocked at the 25-30 minute waits all afternoon & evening for the R train. Headways have been cut to a theoretical 12 minutes during this weekend trackwork, but real-time headways become 25-30 minutes.Trains sometime leave 95th a minute or two late, and same at 71/Continental (where they sometimes have to come onto the loudspeaker to "shut it down" at 71/Continental.) Delays then magnify. Also, around 6pm/6:30pm, deadhead trains are sent out of 95th to 59th, then backtrack down the N line towards Coney Island. Recently the northbound R was stuck at Bay Ridge Ave for 10+ minutes due to a red signal up ahead (caused by the deadhead train). Escaped via the D at 36th to Midtown, ran an errand, and caught up to the same R 20 minutes later. That R train out of 95th was now running 20-25 minutes late to 71/Continental, all because of the deadhead train sent out of 95th immediately ahead of it. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 31 00:34:25 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 30 10:23:27 2014. Not the E...it maintains a constant fleet of R160A/B.If pressed,an R46 will be used,but don't look for it. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 31 00:43:23 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 30 22:13:03 2014. You nailed it right on the head-Too much interlining. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 31 00:45:18 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 23:32:57 2014. Which is Why the RJ/J needs to make its grand return. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Oct 31 00:59:21 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Thu Oct 30 08:26:22 2014. There is a difference between the Pitkin R-46s and the Jamaica R-46s |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 31 01:12:12 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 30 23:37:39 2014. Different times,brah..even though I understand completely where you're coming from.I believe the Q should be the Broadway Local(QT/QB)to Astoria, while N trains resumes express service. |
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Posted by chud1 on Fri Oct 31 05:51:00 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Oct 30 08:13:38 2014. IAWRP!.chud1. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Oct 31 11:11:57 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Oct 30 08:13:38 2014. The same bitching would have happened if R160's went to the G during the summer Greenpoint tube closure. |
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Posted by VictorM on Fri Oct 31 11:27:43 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 12:16:03 2014. One thing the MTA could do is having a gap train waiting on the center track at Whitehall St but that would be an added expense. |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Oct 31 12:07:41 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Thu Oct 30 23:46:52 2014. Please do not take my questions as DOUBT about the situation with the R-train, that is not where I'm coming from at all.One a curious thing happened recently on the MTA website - they stopped giving reasons why there are shut-downs or diversions except to say, that the trains are not stopping somewhere, or being re-routed. For the weekend of Nov 1-2, on the Weekender there's nothing about track work or other issues for the R-train in Brooklyn, what is listed is the re-routing of R-trains as express along Queens Blvd. As well as the N & D trains paired together skipping some of their stations in certain directions. In light of these R-train troubles and the track work, I'd split the R-train into two groups, one set of R-trains would travel to/from Queens Blvd and the Whitehall Street station. Since both the D & N trains are running, it seems without delays due to the track work - rely upon them to carry the bulk of the R-train ridership to/from Manhattan. Make the Brooklyn R-train a shuttle from 36th Street to 95th Street. For the stations between Court Street and 36th Street, simply run the on-street shuttle buses. Make notices for all stations, and announcements via the website, etc. However, I'm not in charge of the MTA. It does seem that the MTA took out the words, "Timely" and "Rapid" out of their motto. Mike |
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Posted by BrooklynTrain on Fri Oct 31 12:32:36 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Michael549 on Fri Oct 31 12:07:41 2014. I'm sure riders wouldn't mind an R train shuttle 36-95th that ran every 8-10 minutes like clockwork. D and N are local most upcoming weekends 36-DeKalb to pick up the slack, and the IRT can pick up the slack Atlantic-Court/Boro Hall like they did for the past 14 months during the tunnel shutdown. (Shuttle buses would not be needed.) |
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Posted by Michael549 on Fri Oct 31 14:25:20 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by BrooklynTrain on Fri Oct 31 12:32:36 2014. "I'm sure riders wouldn't mind an R train shuttle 36-95th that ran every 8-10 minutes like clockwork. D and N are local most upcoming weekends 36-DeKalb to pick up the slack, and the IRT can pick up the slack Atlantic-Court/Boro Hall like they did for the past 14 months during the tunnel shutdown. (Shuttle buses would not be needed.)"I admit that I am not exactly clear just where the track work is taking place. It may make sense to remove the trains as much as possible from that scene, rather slow the trains down to intolerable time lengths, and train bunching. Again from the MTA-website descriptions, I also was not sure if the D & N trains are making local stops or not. If the D & N are making the local stops your suggestion makes sense. All in all - I think we agree that the MTA could do something to reduce the long wait times between the trains, complete the track work, and not screw up travel for R-train riders (over all) as much as possible. Mike Mike |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 31 18:28:09 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Michael549 on Thu Oct 30 22:13:03 2014. They have been running a BMT local out to Forest Hills since 1958, starting with pokey Standards, back when the BMT ran a far heavier Broadway service and 3 Montague Tunnel services. I do not understand it either. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 31 18:34:39 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by Edwards! on Fri Oct 31 00:45:18 2014. Then we'd have an RJ and a W (to Whitehall) to replace the R as we know it. People headed north of Canal from 4th Avenue must take a Bridge train.It seems the RJ worked in 2011 for 2 months, though it was something of an oddity in 1967-8, while the QJ did not, whether to Brighton Beach or Coney Island. Go figure. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 31 20:01:02 2014, in response to Re: (R) train service still sucks, posted by VictorM on Fri Oct 31 11:27:43 2014. They should be challenged to to do just that, or get their act together, or polish up their resumes. |
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