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Re: 76th Street and other 'mysteries'.

Posted by Douce Man on Sat Aug 20 11:56:50 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street and other 'mysteries'., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 20 11:02:50 2005.

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Outside of the roadbeds visable from the 2 A platforms, where else can you see the station shell?

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)j7

Posted by Douce Man on Sat Aug 20 12:08:51 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)j7, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 20 07:50:36 2005.

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The map shows the line was suppose to split into 2 after Euclid.
One to recapture the BMT Fulton Street El from 80/Hudson to Lefferts.
The other to 229/Springfield via a new tunnel along Pitkin Ave and Linden Blvd.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by South Ferry on Sat Aug 20 12:12:40 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Aug 18 17:37:05 2005.

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Wonder how long he'd thought PIT-FN-KIN was in Manhattan....

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by South Ferry on Sat Aug 20 12:13:23 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Aug 18 18:06:06 2005.

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& there's no Euclid in MANHATTAN, right?

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by South Ferry on Sat Aug 20 12:15:28 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Fri Aug 19 13:36:47 2005.

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does the yard have any lead or provisions for reaching the station via this wye, ey?

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by South Ferry on Sat Aug 20 12:16:08 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Aug 19 00:42:24 2005.

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76th Street station was to be on Pitkin Avenue. It would have formed a wye with the yard.


If it (were to) go 1 way, then there might still be a reverse direction or
reverse path............ coming from the yard?????

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by South Ferry on Sat Aug 20 12:16:30 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by vengence on Fri Aug 19 03:18:32 2005.

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no surprise.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)j7

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Aug 20 12:45:57 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)j7, posted by Douce Man on Fri Aug 19 22:30:53 2005.

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All the existing tunnelage (except for the Grant Ave turnoff and portal to the el) was complete before WWII. It was wartime shortages which prevented it from opening earlier. Broadway ENY opened in 1945, the rest in 1948.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by grimace1169 on Sat Aug 20 18:58:30 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 14:32:53 2005.

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Hiya Chris! Thanks for the mention. Sorry to see you get bashed like this. I kind of feel responsible in a way. Keep up the cool posts!

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 19:18:09 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 14:32:53 2005.

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Been thinking about it most of the day and quite frankly, you owe Uncle Joe NOTHING ... I was amazed to see that I even got a dressing down on HIS group for hanging out here (I won't repeat what he said there) and all I can say is that I'm rather disappointed, being singled out like that. I love his group and the people that visit there, but I come here for entertainment, being able to say things here that would easily get me tossed over there.

This whole 76th street thing has been a joke all along, it's something that anyone with half a brain cell can tell the difference between idle patter, straight out kidding around and "serious." I've learned a lot of things here, I've been able to impart knowledge and fill in some gaps for those who were wondering why some things are the way they are and I've also had a good amount of fun. AND I've been dismayed by some people and their bad behavior too.

But with respect to an open forum, Unca Joe needs to take a deep breath and realize that it's different strokes for different folks and I don't appreciate being lectured for having a giggle now and then. I've got real work to do, I take a break and come HERE to entertain and BE entertained. I'm not embarassed by it one bit.

Said it before, will say it again ... "NEVER take life TOO seriously, and BEWARE of those who do." :(

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by R143 on Sat Aug 20 19:26:07 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by grimace1169 on Sat Aug 20 18:58:30 2005.

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Yeah, Chris is one of the people I almost always enjoy reading his posts. There are many good people here if you can weed through the people that like to hear themselves fight with people.

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Re: Of 76th St. : Congratulations

Posted by R143 on Sat Aug 20 19:27:54 2005, in response to Of 76th St. : Congratulations, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Aug 18 23:14:52 2005.

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76th Street discussions were at subtalk long before the dawn of subchat. I remember when I first heard of the station. I then was showed all the archives at subtalk to see what I missed. Search them under 76 and you would be surprised how much comes up. I wasn't around here when they started.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by vengence on Sat Aug 20 19:29:15 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 19:18:09 2005.

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He did rip into Chris [and everyone else] who took part in that thread.

Your right,Kirk..

He went WAY overboard.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by R143 on Sat Aug 20 19:30:40 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Aug 19 15:04:24 2005.

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Not to mention that if your photo was meant to fool, I think most people would know that if they were real, the tiles would be FILTHY. That's a given.
The photo obviously was meant as a joke, and a sarcasm of this whole debate. I thought it was funny.

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Re: posting

Posted by R143 on Sat Aug 20 19:31:13 2005, in response to posting, posted by tunnel rat on Tue Aug 16 13:48:15 2005.

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This has become like a railfan urban legend.
I believe that if it existed, at least an old photo would exist or have surfaced somewhere.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 19:36:21 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by vengence on Sat Aug 20 19:29:15 2005.

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I consider Unca Joe to be a good friend ... and if it's a serious quesion, I'll give a serious answer and STILL have some fun with it. But if I can't dance, I don't wanna be in your revolution either. :)

I appreciate all Joe does and all he's done ... but I don't mind hanging out in dark alleyways either. I come here to hang out with the few I consider friends, and somehow the shenanigans are easily ignored. Or as Nancy says every now and then, you've gotta kiss a lot of frogs to find a prince. I'm certainly not hanging up my handles if my visits here aren't approved. (grin)

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by vengence on Sat Aug 20 19:46:00 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 19:36:21 2005.

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Yeah.
I got you.

So how bout that R9 now?

Don't wanna wait till Christmas.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 19:53:02 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by vengence on Sat Aug 20 19:46:00 2005.

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Slow boat from China, bub ... :)

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by cortelyounext on Sat Aug 20 20:02:51 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 19:36:21 2005.

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BingBong got that right, and so do you. You work hard, you impart knowledge, you give and take and tolerate, you provide humor. Simply put, you contribute in myriad ways to make this board a place people of all ages and ethnicity and educational background can learn and, even more importantly, feel welcome. Moreover, that you chose to stay above the fray and praise Joe for his efforts "over there" in spite of being singled out is another example why we're glad to have you "over here."

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 20:39:47 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by cortelyounext on Sat Aug 20 20:02:51 2005.

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Why thanks! Don'[t be too glad though, or it might go to my head. (grin)

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 20 20:40:56 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 19:18:09 2005.

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Thanks Kevin, I have always enjoyed your posts, and conversation. you also know me long enough here. I can't count how many times they brought a smirk to my face.
Personally, I find the whole 76th St saga to be sort of humerous anyway, because at this point (and since it began years ago), the whole conversation talks in circles.
I thought the joke photos fit in quite well with the whole "saga" of 76th St, that's why I posted them.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 20 20:52:03 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by grimace1169 on Sat Aug 20 18:58:30 2005.

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Hey grimace, it sure has been a while hasn't it! Good to see you here.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 21:04:29 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Aug 20 20:40:56 2005.

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Yep ... I've heard a bunch of interesting and contradictory things, that the tunnel dose go back a couple of blocks, that there was at least one "lane" that had a bit of track on it and a little less third rail and was used for a short while, I've heard that it was backfilled and that there was a "widening" of the space back there but no actual "station," plus I've heard the other yarns about it going WAY back and was filled in because the contractors weren't supposed to build it, yada yada.

Whether real or imagined, folklore or buffoonery, enjoyment or irritant, I'll take good old 76th street over so many other alternatives that rear their head here from time to time. And Joe Brennan is about as serious a historian as I've ever seen and even HE had some fun with it. Hovercraft to New Rochelle against the wall, watch the flashing portal please. :)

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 20 22:15:34 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 19:36:21 2005.

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Nancy's got her prince, all right.:) 26 years for you two coming up, right?

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Aug 20 22:23:59 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by American Pig on Fri Aug 19 04:57:29 2005.

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That is correct.

wayne

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 20 22:24:28 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Aug 20 22:15:34 2005.

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Yeah, and no time arf for good behavior. :)

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Sun Aug 21 20:55:21 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Fri Aug 19 12:24:25 2005.

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Hello Guys,

and Chris GP 38/R-42 and Kevin (SELKIRK) (MOOo..)

First off, let me state that YES, I also, likewise, feel Chris is one of the more regularly responsible and informative long-time posters here at S/C (and former S/T) and have always found his posts (as well as MANY posters here) data and factually informative, interesting, occasionally humerous.

Chris, my post about your faux-photo did not address, not critique, anything ELSE about what "YOU" per se, post, write, here regularly...just ONLY about the photo and its obvious "flaws" (intended or otherwise by you...heh !!) and if ANYONE here thinks or read into my post that I was "bashing" or such sort, to, of, you, that is an unintended misconception I want to address.

No, you dont owe me anything (NOTHING) as my buddy Unca (MOOOooo...OINK) Kevin states, as you, for a long time here and at S/T, have held and hold your own excellently in my view and to set the record straight for any "misconceptions" my post may have raised about about the usual general quality of what you present regularly to this board...well, I just have done so!

My issue was only to address the photo ITSELF...not so much why but how is was created. Without an immediately added disclaimer that it was a joke "fake" photo...there are many "guests" who read this board who may have thought it authentic in glancing thru the quite lengthy thread. I guess it was because I didnt expect passing that type of "joke" coming from some like you...tho done all in fun as it turns out.

Joe Brennen is a renowned and fellow historian who's "76th St Page", originated with no "disclaimer" within it, created a HUGE thread of sorts at former SUB TALK and fooled countless many there UNTIL it was posted later that is was an Aprils Fools Joke by him, and he didnt expect ALL that controversy would be raised !!

He had even placed a doctored photo faux "clue" of an R-10 in MTA (SELKIRK Kevin's MOST FAVORITE colors) in a period-era setting of long before that color scheme existed on those cars. I then had immediately caught it and so did a few others here...but the thread raged on and on pro & con, ...based upon Brennan's fine reputation for posting only documented facts on his Website Transit Pages (Ie: HOW could what "HE" posted NOT be authentic if ITS ON his website ??)

I guess its (my posted reaction) because in most of my professional life and professional caliber endeavors, the strict "accuracy and fidelity" of what my various professions expected, required, of me, evokes at times, such strictness, "seriousness", as ingrained in me for decades. Those who know me well understand, appreciate and tolerate it from me. Its called reputation.

<><><> NOW ON TO KEVIN...you MOOO-KOW-&-Oink<><><>

...I did NOT per se single you out at "My Place" !! You know we all love ya and know ya there...our "reveered" Bearded Curmudgeon there and Foster Brooks look alike (somewhat) . One of our fellow NYCTMG members posted (yeah, and YOU saw it ALSO there) about getting "worked over" HERE for a simple question he asked....and he thanked me for my posting about the photo nonsense and other "issues" here. It was in my reply to him, that I casually (and respecfully in your, umm case) mentioned about you spending SO much time here...but all of us over there KNOW why (and you stated over there why, at times) you do so over here...for fun and amusement. Also you can rant here on your favorite peeves more freely...as UNCA LARRY here isnt as ummm, tough as old UNCA Joe is (is, but rarely, except when needed) over there.

So to set THAT record straight....you know where you stand with ME "in the cab" at NYCTMG...so do all others there...I bust em rarely for you just as you occasionally do for me...sort of like when you HERE refered to my "CHEESY TV Camera" for my photos. (MOOOoo..)

BUT, as only you (and my other NYCTMG members) were privy recently to my MTH R-1 R-1 "Production-Finished Pilot Car Model" photos and -- NOW -- somewhere its Blizzard snowing and mountains are shifting in August because I FINALLY did get you "MR ARNINE" to ORDER an MTH R-1 IND Set to replace those CHEESY Jap subway car N scale models as Arnine substitues, -- based on those photos !








So, you DO have hope Kevin...next will be track, switches, then a layout room, CTC panel boards, --I better stop now. Or then you'll buy our pal HEYPAUL's R-1/9 MM Cab to stand in to run your MTH Set. (AFTER you "reverse" the AB & Controller stand positions and replace that OTIS cotroller job for the proper handle....!

But you KNOW and see that we ALSO have fun at "my place" at times (like the, your, "HONARKS Escapade" photos re-created via my models, I posted way back) and in moderation, and occasionally vent our bladders on "issues" pro and con (ie: recent Grafitti & the NYC Graf Party issue (heh). And you have contributed MUCH good in the ...ummm, heh, tho much smaller volume of posts over there as opposed to, aaah, here.

Regards !! - Joe



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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 21 21:23:59 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Sun Aug 21 20:55:21 2005.

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Heh. Yeah, I know ... but as you explained, you're pretty serious about things (as Seinfeld said, "not that there's anything wrong with that") whereas around here, it's more like "real New York" in that a sidewalk act can be appreciated for being a sidewalk act, and 76th Street never fails to be fun whenever it comes up (too often, some might say) ...

And I was truly impressed that Joe Brennan actually had some fun with that little number of his. Sometimes, lessons learned when one gets burned are more meaningful. Worked for me often enough growing up. And yeah, I'm definitely going to do a set of them arnines even if they sit under plexiglas ... haven't run any of my N gauge stuff in a couple of years ever since a flood in my office that forced me to pull up my tracks, and never had time to put them back.

I'm not even all that big into trains really as a personal thing. I was before working for the Teeyay, but as I've often said, working on trains really cures the foaminess. But given a choice, 1:1 scale does it the best for me. I just hope I can make it to Branford again before the snow flies ... haven't even been able to get down to Kinsgton yet with the workload being what it is ... and whenever I'm seen here, there or anywhere, I'm at work. Gots to do something about that.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Aug 21 21:45:11 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Sun Aug 21 20:55:21 2005.

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Waters cleared Joe.
I understand what you are trying to get across now....
I appreciate the post.

And anyone that makes models like you do, definitely has an eye for accuracy - certainly can't argue with that.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 21 22:53:22 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 21 21:23:59 2005.

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Looks like another of my photos from 10/13/02.:)

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 21 23:01:48 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Aug 21 22:53:22 2005.

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Heh. Yeah, my hands were a bit full at the time, couldn't take any myself. What can I say? You give good silver halide! :)

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by vengence on Mon Aug 22 00:06:58 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by JOE @ NYCTMG - NYCMTS on Sun Aug 21 20:55:21 2005.

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Damn..thats a sweet model.

I've always wanted to collect them..but never had the time.

Thanks for the pics.

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 22 09:26:03 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 21 23:01:48 2005.

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Nancy took some pics, didn't she?

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This time a REAL photo of 76th Street Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 22 16:03:50 2005, in response to 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 16 16:03:34 2005.

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Yup. sort of ironic after all this, I found this photo in the newest images section of nycsubway.org. It's the 76th Street station on the 3rd Ave el. Unfortunately, not the 76th STreet we need a photo of....but a cool photo just the same.
This time, a totally unaltered photo of.....drum roll...76th Street....



http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?41132

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Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 22 16:18:06 2005, in response to Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 22 09:26:03 2005.

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Never had time to digitized any of them. And she forgot which box she put them in. Will see about finding same ... :)

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Re: This time a REAL photo of 76th Street Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 22 19:02:19 2005, in response to This time a REAL photo of 76th Street Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 22 16:03:50 2005.

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Those look like MUDC el cars.

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Re: This time a REAL photo of 76th Street Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 22 19:05:34 2005, in response to Re: This time a REAL photo of 76th Street Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 22 19:02:19 2005.

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And the 4 car consist hints that the pic was taken on a weekend.

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Re: This time a REAL photo of 76th Street Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Tue Aug 23 18:43:50 2005, in response to Re: This time a REAL photo of 76th Street Re: 76th Street (Was: Re: posting), posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 22 19:05:34 2005.

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I was wondering about that. It seems that all you ever see are pictures of three-car, five-car or six-car el train consists. The 6th Ave. el train that my grandfather photographed in 1936 appears to be a three-car lashup.

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