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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Apr 13 22:45:20 2013 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Area residents were given an opportunity Thursday night to air grievances one-on-one with representatives of the Long Island Rail Road (LIRR) regarding issues with their local train stations in a forum hosted by Nassau County Legis. Dave Denenberg, D-Merrick, at the Wantagh Public Library . With issues such as broken escalators, safety, cleanliness, parking, and more, citizens representing Denenberg’s legislative district, including those from Bellmore, Merrick, Wantagh, Seaford, and Freeport, took this opportunity to make their voices heard. “The idea isn’t just to raise the complaints at this meeting,” Denenberg said. “The idea is to follow-up and try and get some satisfaction so that we make things at our stations improve.” Denenberg welcomed two representatives of the LIRR to the meeting including Robert Brennan, director of government and community affairs, and Patrick Gerakaris, branch line manager of the South Nassau District, both of whom fielded questions from members of the audience. Denenberg, as well as several residents in attendance at the meeting, complained about the overall condition of the Wantagh LIRR Station , noting that the platform is in poor shape, that it currently possesses no elevator, and that the escalator as been out of order for quite some time. “People who have a handicap or a disability really have to go to Seaford or Bellmore at this point,” he said. “Not having an elevator or an escalator is a critical issue.” Brennan addressed this issue, noting that the Wantagh station is due for a complete overhaul in the near future. “The entire Wantagh station needs to be renovated,” he said. “We do have plans to do that within the next few years...the reason why the Seaford station was done first was because the platform there was in much more dire straits than Wantagh’s. But Wantagh is on the list.” Another pressing problem for many commuters brought up Thursday involved abbreviated ticket expiration dates, and while Denenberg said that the issue has improved, residents are still not quite satisfied with the result. “The period was extended due to complaints at these meetings to two months, because the ticket expiration had been shortened to two weeks,” he said. “People still express that they still want the tickets to have a six month expiration date, as they had previously.” Brennan indicated that he would take the matter under advisement, but gave no concrete answer regarding extending the current two month expiration dates for LIRR tickets. Several people at the meeting issued complaints regarding the overall cleanliness of the LIRR stations, citing issues such as rampant pigeon droppings and public urination at the Merrick, Bellmore, and Wantagh stations. Gerakaris responded that cleanup efforts would increase now that the spring season was upon them. “We have trucks with high-pressure power washers...they obviously do not operate in the winter, because they would just create icy conditions for customers,” he said. “But they did start of on Tuesday of this week, so that will handle any dirty conditions that may exist. We’re working our way down the line.” LIRR security was also expressed as a concern with Denenberg pointed out that many of his constituents have complained about an overall lack of MTA Police presence at the local train stations. “We even got those complaints in Merrick, which is ironic, since there’s a station house for the MTA police there,” Denenberg said. “There’s also been many requests about getting surveillance cameras around the stations.” Brennan said that MTA police are often stretched too thin considering the wide area they are responsible for. He added that the LIRR is exploring other ways to beef up security at their stations. “The MTA police are responsible for 130 miles of track, from Manhattan to Montauk Point, so it’s difficult for them to be everywhere at once,” Brennan said. “However, we are looking into installing security cameras and better lighting to make things safer for commuters.” Another hot-button topic raised during the forum was parking permits at the Merrick and Bellmore stations. However, Denenberg was quick to point out that the Town of Hempstead issues the permit and this is not something that the LIRR has any control over. Denenberg encouraged residents to contact the Hempstead officials regarding this issue and that he would continue to do what he could on his end. --- http://wantagh.patch.com/articles/local-lirr-commuters-air-concerns-at-forum
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Posted by 3-9* on Sun Apr 14 01:29:18 2013, in response to Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Apr 13 22:45:20 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Weren't the stations along the Babylon rebuilt as part of the grade crossing elimination project? Is the poor condition indicative of a lack of basic maintenance?
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Posted by Charles G* on Sun Apr 14 03:03:27 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by 3-9 on Sun Apr 14 01:29:18 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Wantagh and Seaford were elevated in the late 1960's. It sounds more like age catching up with them -- but each felt much older than Merrick and Bellmore which were elevated in 1975.
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Posted by NorthShore* on Sun Apr 14 06:09:26 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 14 03:03:27 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I believe the dates are reversed.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Apr 14 06:24:40 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 14 03:03:27 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Hmmmmm. I remember being a little kid in the late 70's early 80's when Massapequa Park had yet to be elevated. We'd always get stuck at the grade crossing on Sunrise Hwy. Just that one station. Massapequa was elevated and so was Amityville. Wonder why they waited so long to elevate Massapequa Park?
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sun Apr 14 07:49:38 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by NorthShore on Sun Apr 14 06:09:26 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Merrick was elevated in the 1970s. LION was a commuter back then, him remembers using the temporary platform. Him was in Navy in 1960s and so could not ride trains then. ROAR
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Posted by Fulton Frank* on Sun Apr 14 08:19:54 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Apr 14 07:49:38 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Agreed. I head ended thought there - Massapequa to NYP - from 1972 to 1980. Merrick and Belmore were elevated at about the mid period of that commute for me. There were wooden side platforms. You would descend form the Freeport el with Port tower and a layup track on your left. Then veer off to a temporary track. I never went east of Massapequa so I have no recollection Massapequa Park. But Amityville Copaigue & Lindenhurst, IIRC, were elevated by then. 1970, 1972. I'd say.
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Posted by NorthShore* on Sun Apr 14 08:55:51 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Fulton Frank on Sun Apr 14 08:19:54 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d NYP through Queens was elevated in the 20's & 30's. Valley Stream to Rockville Centre in the 40's. Rockville Centre to Wantagh in the 60's. Wantagh to Babylon in the 70's.
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Posted by Fulton Frank* on Sun Apr 14 09:04:14 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by NorthShore on Sun Apr 14 08:55:51 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nope. At least partially nope. Wantaugh, Seaford and Massapequa were elevated before the 1970's. I'd say even before the 1960's. Fulton Frank ( on the south shore)
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Sun Apr 14 09:52:59 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Fulton Frank on Sun Apr 14 09:04:14 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Freeport was elevated in the 1950s. LION has pictures from that platform taken in early 1960. LION standing on elevated Freeport platform when FM C-Liner came through. Merrick-Bellmore was elevated in the 70s. ROAR
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Apr 14 11:19:03 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Apr 14 06:24:40 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Wonder why they waited so long to elevate Massapequa Park? No money due to the oil crisis? Looks pretty cool with the low platforms.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Apr 14 11:21:19 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 14 11:19:03 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Also never got to see the temp station.
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN* on Sun Apr 14 11:28:13 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by NorthShore on Sun Apr 14 08:55:51 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Massapequa Park was elevated in the late 1970s. The station was opened in late 1980.
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Posted by Charles G* on Sun Apr 14 12:58:06 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by NorthShore on Sun Apr 14 08:55:51 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d As Fulton Frank says, "partially nope". Here's a page which has the elevation dates: http://www.trainsarefun.com/lirr/crossingeliminations/crossingeliminations.htm
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Apr 14 13:15:34 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by 3-9 on Sun Apr 14 01:29:18 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The Babylon line stations are 40-50 years old.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Apr 14 13:23:44 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 14 11:19:03 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Merrick, 1974: Bellmore, 1975: Massapequa Park, 1979: Same station, 1977:
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Apr 14 14:27:06 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 14 13:23:44 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d All that money spent back then to merely be a big money loser today (and that's aside from the pension ripoffs). Currently looking for a site that reveals how much the Babylon Branch elevation cost . . .
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Apr 14 16:21:28 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 14 14:27:06 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They should have done the same to the main line between Floral Park and Hicksville.
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901* on Sun Apr 14 16:59:11 2013, in response to Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Apr 13 22:45:20 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Another hot-button topic raised during the forum was parking permits at the Merrick and Bellmore stations. One one hand, it's a bit annoying to end up having to go to Mineola* because there are no spots before 2 PM at your home station unless you want the lot that becomes a "rapist gallery" at night, but I don't want to pay for a parking permit for the cars at my home when I want to use the railroad once a month on a weekday. FWIW, I get the strange feeling that the non-resident cars are from East Meadow and Levittown which cannot park at Hicksville and wouldn't want to park at Westbury, and other, um, South Shore residents from Suffolk County opting to use the rush hour trains that make only Wantagh-Bellmore-Merrick-Penn Station runs in 30 minutes or so. Merrick and Bellmore, are, IIRC, the only free lots without any residency requirements and Bellmore has the bonus of being off Newbridge Road and the Wantagh Parkway... All of the spots at Bellmore are gone* by 7:45 AM. After that, you might as well pay for a taxi or go kiss & ride.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Apr 14 17:04:54 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 14 16:21:28 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Irresponsible drivers shouldn't be "rewarded" by public spending on grade crossing elimination that will hit the public pocketbook in the long run. Grade-level stations are easier to access, too.
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Posted by nasadowsk* on Sun Apr 14 17:40:43 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 14 16:21:28 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d IAWTP
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Posted by boliqua2* on Sun Apr 14 18:28:06 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 14 17:04:54 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Here's the thing during rush hour those gates can be down for a long time causing traffic pile ups on roads that already bad in rush hour, so it should be done.
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Apr 15 09:00:53 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by 3-9 on Sun Apr 14 01:29:18 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Every single station from Valley Stream to Massapequa plus Babylon, (and maybe Amity-Linden - I don't remember) has been rebuilt once, including the cigar box waiting rooms underneath. It is bad maintenance and attentiveness to detail
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Apr 15 09:02:35 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Fulton Frank on Sun Apr 14 08:19:54 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Massapaequa Park was the last one- around 1980 or so. Masspaqua came very early for some reason, ahead of Merrick-Bellmore and Wantagh-Seaford.
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Apr 15 09:03:30 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Fulton Frank on Sun Apr 14 09:04:14 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Wantagh - Seaford was in 1967. I was on a Parlor car fan trip with my father on the 1st day it opened.
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Apr 15 09:05:33 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 14 16:21:28 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Main Line NIMBY's did not want the urban South Shore "look".
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Posted by Fulton Frank* on Mon Apr 15 09:50:35 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Charles G on Sun Apr 14 12:58:06 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I actually (respectfully) challenge the accuracy of the dates of Amityville, Copiague and Lindenhurst on theses photos. It says 1973 but shows old Mu's including MP54 Owl Eyes. Very few of them ran on the Babylon after 1972. In fact, I think they left the entire property in 1972. Last to run were on the West Hempstead? no?
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Apr 15 11:19:17 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Apr 15 09:50:35 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The last MP54 ran on or about Oct 31, 1971. At beginning of summer '71 , there were 40 left. Some number died every week. They seldom ran to Babylon at that point, never to Hicksville and Hunstington, mostly on shoulder-rush trains to Brooklyn mixed with post-war P-S MU's.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Mon Apr 15 11:44:34 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 15 09:05:33 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Too late. Wantaugh is Westbury, Freeport is Wyandanch.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Mon Apr 15 11:47:09 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by boliqua2 on Sun Apr 14 18:28:06 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The junction at NASSAU was a nightmare before Roslyn Rd. was sunk under the ROW. It's still pretty bad. An elevated ROW would also facilitate a 3rd track without having to use eminent domain to acquire more space.
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Posted by Broadway Lion* on Mon Apr 15 12:21:00 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 15 11:44:34 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d LION remembers when Westbury was a nice place to live? What happened to it? What's wrong with Wyandanch? They have nice houses there. ROAR
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Posted by nasadowsk* on Mon Apr 15 13:39:53 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 15 12:21:00 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Crimedanch? Even 30 years ago, real estate agents were telling folks to stay out of the area unless they liked crime...
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Apr 15 13:42:29 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Apr 15 11:44:34 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I was referring to the concrete structure, not the demographic element.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Mon Apr 15 14:38:16 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Apr 15 12:21:00 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Wyandanch makes Brentwood look like Glen Cove.
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Posted by VictorM* on Mon Apr 15 14:42:31 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Fulton Frank on Mon Apr 15 09:50:35 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The photos shown are from when they were ground level stations. The elevated stations were definitely opened in August 1973.
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Posted by Joe* on Wed Apr 17 08:19:12 2013, in response to Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Apr 13 22:45:20 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d At the head of this thread is an accurate report from a Patch reporter, one of 20 or so people present at the April 4, 2013, forum. Below are my notes, for whatever they are worth. ---- LIRR FORUM at Wantagh Library, 4.4.2013 This report may contain errors. The meeting lasted from 7:38 p.m. to about 8:55 p.m.  Nassau county Legislator David Denenberg hosted Bob Brennan, Director, Government and Community Relations, LIRR, and Patrick Gerakaris, Branch Line Manager of some 38 south shore stations in Nassau County. The email for the Branch Line Manager is pcgerak@lirr.org  Legislator Denenberg pointed out the need for an appointment to the Long Island seat on the MTA Board. Please note that this is a more important position that a seat on the Long Island Rail Road Commuter Council. Mr. Denenberg's quest is seen in this Merrick Patch article dated 4.4.2013.  As people drifted in and out, the highest attendance was about 20, including officials, aides, and reporters.  Mr. Denenberg reviewed the issues of escalator and elevator repairs and parking lot problems, particularly in Merrick where an auto body shop repeatedly uses commuter spaces. He objected to Metro North's intentions to route trains from Co-op City over the Hell Gate Bridge and into the four-track East River tunnel after some LIRR trains are diverted to the 63rd St. tunnel.  From 7:55 to 8:05 Freeport Mayor Robert Kennedy spoke of conditions at that station: elevator and escalator maintenance, safety, and cleanliness. He said that the new energy-saving lights on the platform were too dim. He said that video cameras should provide staffed surveillance at some desk.  Several times during the presentation and discussions, the lack of an elevator at Wantagh was noted. A year ago, it was reported that the five-year MTA budget plan had not yet been released by Albany. At this year, we heard from Mr. Brennan a statement that the Wantagh elevator was now in the five-year budget. However, as an observer of the way government budgets go, I would not be certain of the money actually flowing to construction of an elevator at Wantagh. Too often, under fiscal pressure, items are deleted from a budget or postponed. I heard nothing specific of any money for the necessary reconstruction of the platform slabs. According to Mr. Gerakaris, the slabs at Seaford were replaced first because they were in worse shape than Wantagh.  When the meeting was opened to questions from the audience, much time was expended on Bellmore and the new Town of Hempstead Parking stickers. A parent of Bellmore riders complained that more permits seem to have been issued than the number of parking places reserved for Bellmore residents. The same person demanded that spots nearer the station be reserved for people arriving there later in the morning. The same person complained that Seaford and Wantagh Town of Hempstead residents could purchase the same stickers.  An owner of a Wantagh business complained that there was insufficient parking for employees of the stores there. The non-permit parking has a time limit of only few hours. This person noted that a summertime bus stop takes up parking spaces on Railroad Avenue adjacent to the Wantagh Triangle. I note that the Bus Stop and a similar one on Park Avenue near Beech Street have not had bus service in more than thirty years. They are a holdover from long-discontinued service, predating MSBA.  Many of the Bellmore and Wantagh parking complaints were not issues for the railroad, as the Town of Hempstead controls most of the lots.  Someone observed that parking districts existed for tax purposes. However, I reviewed our Town of Hempstead detailed tax bill and could not find a parking district tax.  Legislator Denenberg left the meeting about 8:20. Claudia Boretsky, noting no more questions, closed the meeting about 8:55.  ---  Must add thanks to railroad personal for their work and their guileless, frank answers. Mention the plight of the woman who described arriving at Bellmore unable to walk down the lengthy steps when the elevator was out of service. Mr. Brennan said that the e-messaging system reports elevator outages. Or call 511. Or, if desperate, call 911. Note this list of current working elevators and escalators on the LIRR  http://lirr42.mta.info/elevatorStatus.php 
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Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum
Posted by Joe* on Wed Apr 17 09:38:40 2013, in response to Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Gold_12th on Sat Apr 13 22:45:20 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d --- A few years ago, irregular slaps could be seen from this street angle. Now, they seem less obvious. Where people could have tripped where each slab met, slabs have been milled, or concrete has been worked on, or a metal plate has joined some uneven ones. Still, the platform does need new concrete slabs, as were hoisted at Seaford. An elevator is needed at this station, which supposedly handles 5,500 morning commuters. ---
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Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum
Posted by Fulton Frank* on Wed Apr 17 11:49:34 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Joe V on Mon Apr 15 11:19:17 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I graduated C.W. Post college in 1972. That fall I started commuting to NYU from Massapequa. In that first semester, I rode an "old style" train (can't say if it was an MP54 or what, but it wasn't an M1). I could only ride from NYP to Jamaica since it wasn't going on the Babylon... Faint memory, but I do have it.
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Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum
Posted by VictorM* on Thu Apr 18 09:43:38 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by Fulton Frank on Wed Apr 17 11:49:34 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The car you were riding in must have been a Pullman-Standard MP72: (from nycsubway.org) Those cars were built in the early 1960's. They were later converted to unpowered trailers for use in diesel territory. The fact that they still had multiple unit controls made them suitable for use as cab cars in push-pull mode.
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Posted by 3-9* on Thu Apr 18 12:31:42 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 18 09:43:38 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Fun car mix there! A pity that compatibility like this is long past.
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Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum
Posted by 3-9* on Thu Apr 18 12:35:20 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by VictorM on Thu Apr 18 09:43:38 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Actually, after they were converted to unpowered trailers, I had never seen them used as cab cars. The cars had their headlight and windows blocked and painted over. LIRR used unpowered (engines off or mostly off) locomotives for that purpose.
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Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum
Posted by VictorM* on Thu Apr 18 13:19:20 2013, in response to Re: Local LIRR Commuters Air Concerns at Forum, posted by 3-9 on Thu Apr 18 12:35:20 2013.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I remember riding one from the old Republic station to Jamaica back in February 1983. It was definitely in push mode and I don't think there was an unpowered locomotive in front, but I could be wrong.
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