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VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d On my way home home today, I passed this unusually short train entering town on the CSX line from Monroe NC. I had my camera with me, so I continued downtown and managed to get there in time to grab this clip as the train continued on towards Greenwood SC and Atlanta GA. Unfortunately I didn't have enough time to let the camera's autofocus settle down right at the beginning, and the focus drifted at the end, too. But it's a curious sight, anyway. I don't remember seeing anything like this going through here before. And there aren't any businesses around here that ship via tank cars as far as I know.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Train Dude* on Sat Aug 18 22:37:57 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Maybe the tank car was loaded with "Heavy water"
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Re: VIDEO: Another seriously overpowered train
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Aug 18 22:48:52 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Three ALP-46s and seven MLVs on a NJT train.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sat Aug 18 22:50:56 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d "Hazmat rule" ... sure hope the second unit had an empty tank. :)
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by mr mabstoa* on Sat Aug 18 23:49:08 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 22:37:57 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What the Nazi's needed to complete a nuclear bomb? The REAL Nazi's, not the term foolishly thrown around here.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by mike cruz* on Sun Aug 19 00:51:47 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Aug 18 22:50:56 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Isn't the Haz rule that it can't to be a locomotive though?
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by mike cruz* on Sun Aug 19 01:01:48 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Could just be the last customer on the run or it could even be a "special order" if a customers important enough they can get single car delivery if it's an emergency like Boeing in this video. (possibly)
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Aug 19 01:05:06 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by mike cruz on Sun Aug 19 00:51:47 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d An ACTIVE one. I only heard one motor rumbling as it passed. Go back and listen between the horn honks. Hazmat rule requires a buffer car between you and the load. A dead in tow would probably qualify. :)
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by mike cruz* on Sun Aug 19 01:56:19 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Aug 19 01:05:06 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I didn't have the sound on LOL!! ok soo the loco could be considered in tow if it's off. I guess since the fuel tanks under the center of the loco it's far enough from the load too.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Sun Aug 19 02:23:23 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by mike cruz on Sun Aug 19 01:56:19 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They might have even been empty if they wanted to follow the rules. Doesn't matter what kind of barrier you have as long as it keeps the fire behind you so you can get out of there. :)
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by chud1* on Sun Aug 19 06:06:46 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d that is a overpowered train indeed. 2 engines to move one tank car. who thought of thata. chud1
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Jon Bell* on Sun Aug 19 06:12:23 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Train Dude on Sat Aug 18 22:37:57 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d "Heavy water" Hmmm... after Greenwood, it could have gone towards either towards either Atlanta or Augusta GA, which is near the Savannah River Site. You may be on to something there! :-)
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by tunnelrat* on Sun Aug 19 09:25:41 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by chud1 on Sun Aug 19 06:06:46 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d musta been a VERY heavy tank car.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Avid Reader* on Sun Aug 19 09:45:31 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by tunnelrat on Sun Aug 19 09:25:41 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Heavy water for iran's nukes?
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by jabrams* on Sun Aug 19 10:02:55 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No crossing gates at the end, where the train crosses a 4 lane road?
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Aug 19 12:59:32 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d By my count that's over 8000 HP for a single tanker car.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Aug 19 13:00:30 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Aug 19 06:12:23 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d "Heavy water" is heavy only on a molecular scale. Maple syrup is denser.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Sun Aug 19 13:02:19 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 19 12:59:32 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d just because you have 8000 Hp does not mean its producing it. even a masserati only uses 50 Hp to maintain speed ;-) A genesis with 7 cars only produces 780 hp in 4th notch maintaing speed. and that includes HEP.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Railman718* on Sun Aug 19 13:03:30 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d This sounds like a Job for...
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Sun Aug 19 13:06:08 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Aug 19 13:02:19 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d True, I am not enough of an expert to know if that second engine was producing power.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Jon Bell* on Sun Aug 19 13:18:24 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by jabrams on Sun Aug 19 10:02:55 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nope, no crossing gates there, just the overhead warning signals. The tracks cross at a very shallow angle, so the signals and the painted stop-lines are quite a ways from the tracks. I've lived here for 27 years. I don't remember any specific accidents at that crossing, although I wouldn't be surprised if there's been one or two. In a small town like this, a wreck at a crossing would be big news, on the front page of the weekly local newspaper. And that line probably carries a dozen trains or so trains per day. I looked for pics of this crossing on rrpicturearchive.net, and found this doozy: http://rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=71124
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Aug 19 13:23:21 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Aug 19 13:02:19 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That ain't the point. Even a 44-tonner would be too much just to haul a single tanker.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Aug 19 13:29:40 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 19 13:00:30 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No; deuterium is heavier than hydrogen due to the single neutron; normal hydrogen has no neutrons. Heavy water (deuterium oxide) is most definitely heavier than normal water, and not on a molecular (microscopic) scale but on a macroscopic scale (20 grams per mole and density of 1,107 kg/m³ for D₂O versus 18 grams per mole and 1,000 kg/m³ for H₂O).
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Dutchrailnut* on Sun Aug 19 13:46:57 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Aug 19 13:06:08 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Even if both are on line they would only produce enough power to get the train going, be it one car or 100 cars. with one car both engines will deliver about 350 Hp each to get it going, and maybe about 50 HP each to keep it going.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Jersey Mike* on Sun Aug 19 14:48:06 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d So? Most road freight units are often kept in pairs to avoid long-hod running. If they were no geeps available to go fetch a tank car then some yard foreman would have to dispatch a pair of road engines. Even if that had been a pair of Geeps, the common GP40 still produces 3000hp so a pair would be a mere 6000hp instead of 8800hp.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Aug 20 09:21:12 2012, in response to VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jon Bell on Sat Aug 18 22:21:17 2012. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nice!!! :-) As far as overpowering, it is possible that this could have been a light engine move, and rather than pay a crew to just move light engines, they give them something to haul. This case could have simply been this empty light tank car. CSX does this up here on the River Line now between North Jersey and Selkirk. They used to run MASSIVE light engine deadhead moves, X-series train designators, sometimes in excess of 10 or more engines. Rather than pay a crew to run the light engines, sometimes only one or two engines even, they give them something to haul up with the engines and make it a complete train to justify the crew cost. Here is a video I took in Bergenfield. NJ almost 2 months ago which shows CSX X-794, North Bergen NJ to Selkirk Yard, Albany NY, where 6 light engines ended taking up a very short set of empty autoracks from the Little Ferry auto facility, with 6 light engines from North Bergen Yard. Normally this used to have been just the engines, but not anymore.
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Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Aug 20 09:39:16 2012, in response to Re: VIDEO: A seriously overpowered train, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Aug 19 14:48:06 2012.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Most road freight units are often kept in pairs to avoid long-hod running Whatcha talkin' bout, Willis?
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