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Posted by mike cruz on Fri Aug 3 20:35:00 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Aug 3 17:54:37 2012. This is also true unfortunately. |
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Posted by mike cruz on Fri Aug 3 20:37:11 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 3 18:40:34 2012. Alotta times it's also that they planned to put somethin there like a room or shed and never did. |
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Fri Aug 3 21:32:47 2012, in response to Unbuilt Stuff, posted by renee gil on Wed Aug 1 18:48:52 2012. Is this a test? |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 3 21:41:09 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by mr mabstoa on Fri Aug 3 21:32:47 2012. Um, no.... |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:42:14 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 3 18:23:40 2012. also the tunnels extend beyound the bumper blocks ay 95st to 101st.just an empty 2 track tunnel that was meant to cross under the narrows&link up with sirt on the other side. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:45:14 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 3 18:40:34 2012. Wrong,it was meant to connect to the D train on the other side of the east river.look at the 1929 proposals,it clearly shows thats what that bellmouth was for. |
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Posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 3 22:46:04 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:42:14 2012. How do you even know if there are tunnels that extend beyond the bumper blocks at 95th Street? |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:50:08 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 3 19:11:47 2012. There is tunnel beyound the b/b`s.page 163 of fishler`s book "the subway" shows the aftermath of a collsion.beyound the blocks is tunnel w/o tracks or anything else. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:51:37 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 3 19:04:42 2012. that is a provision for the irt`s 4th ave.subway. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 23:21:15 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 3 22:46:04 2012. Era publication[the bulletin]stated so many,many years ago published it.Also over 10 years ago I met a light maintainer who told me that when the platforms at 95st were extended the wall beyound the b/b`s were taken down.he&his helper walked to the end[101st]no manholes or emergency exits were installed.he told me the only known entrance was thru an unmarked manhole across the street from the station[facing towards coney island]I searched,couldn`t find it. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 4 00:15:11 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri Aug 3 18:58:51 2012. Possilbe?I've seen photos of it in use... |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 03:00:10 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:45:14 2012. The D already had a means to connect to the other side of the East River from the lower level so there would be no need for any other means of connection. I come from that part of Manhattan and the topography of the area basically mandates that trains bound for the Bronx come from the lower level since the 155 ST/8 Av station is at a much lower level than the 155 St/St Nicholas Av station on the A/AA/C route. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 03:03:31 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 23:21:15 2012. Not only that but when I was a M/M on the RR in 1970, there was no evidence of any construction on the street level at that location which would have been the case if a completely new tunnel extension had to be constructed. What I don't understand is why tracks were not laid in that tunnel infrastructure so that R trains could be laid up there instead of on the S/B exp tk between 36 and 59 St. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 03:05:05 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:50:08 2012. Thanks for the info. I'll have to look since I don't recall seeing that one. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 03:08:33 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:51:37 2012. I don't think the widening off the N/B lcl tk N/O Nevins has anything to do with the 4 Av subway but rather a possible connection to the Manny B. The provision for the 4 Av subway is/was between atlantic and Nevins and I mentioned in another post was covered over when the tracks between Atlantic and Nevins were reconfigured circa 1960. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Aug 4 04:50:07 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by mike cruz on Fri Aug 3 20:37:11 2012. Or there WAS an old tower there, and it was torn down. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 4 09:26:03 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by Edwards! on Sat Aug 4 00:15:11 2012. you`ve seen photos of it in use? impossible,it never was conneected to the brighton line nor was there a track put in place.the end of the pocket is all that was built. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 4 09:30:14 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 03:03:31 2012. wasn`t a new tunnel,part of the EXT.95st&beyound. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 4 09:31:02 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 03:08:33 2012. thats what I meant. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 4 11:43:55 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Fri Aug 3 07:27:06 2012. I really blame the Manhattan El directors, who sat on the Interboro's Board. Everyone hated Jay Gould's Manhattan Elevated, before the IRT leased it, and the same directors were now part of the IRT's Board of Directors. Looking back, it probably would have been better for the IRT to have had joint elevated service with the MER in the Bronx, perhaps, similar to the later joint Astoria/Flushing service with the BMT. The Interboro never got the money back that it had invested into the MER, before, during, and after the Dual Contracts of 1913. The Manhattan els started to lose ridership after 1918, culminating in the IRT's receivership in 1932, during the Depression. Even during receivership, the directors resisted any efforts by the IRT to curtail any el service. And remember, when LaGuardia finally did get to shut down and purchase the 6th ave el in 1938, he paid the Manhattan bondholders, not the IRT. Even so, a few of the MER directors were not pleased with the price and sued the City. These lawsuits were not settled until 5/27/43, some 3 years after Unification. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Aug 4 11:48:52 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 3 20:26:01 2012. Ah, ok then. I didn't remember it exactly. |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 4 12:19:35 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by renee gil on Fri Aug 3 20:33:00 2012. What line was this, renee? |
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Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 4 12:33:37 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 16:26:21 2012. I thought it was supposed to be an H&M station, with a transfer to the IRT station! |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 4 12:47:23 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 4 12:33:37 2012. yes it was.it was supposede to come in at at "T" angle. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 13:46:10 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 4 11:43:55 2012. In effect the operation of 6 and 9 Av el trains on the Jerome Line and the 2 and 3 Av el trains on the West Farms and Wh Pl Rd lines was a joint operation between the Manhattan Rwy and the IRT Subway Division. The main reason for there being 2 separate divisions was primarily due to employee/union concerns which I addressed in another post in another thread somewhere in this forum. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sat Aug 4 13:48:01 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 3 19:11:47 2012. Actually, in the 38th Street cut there are 2 indentations, one about 1 trackway wide and the other maybe 2 trackways wide. It's hard to see the wide one now because of the trailers and shacks there. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 13:48:58 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 4 09:31:02 2012. Bur rene gil was talking about something else. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 13:51:01 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Sat Aug 4 13:48:01 2012. That's right but I'm not sure if the wider of the 2 is wide enough for 2 tracks. I have seen it several times and it just doesn't look quite wide enough. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 14:45:01 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:51:37 2012. No, that was a provision for a line going towards the Manhattan Bridge. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 14:45:11 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:51:37 2012. No, that was a provision for a line going towards the Manhattan Bridge. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 14:49:55 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by Elkeeper on Sat Aug 4 12:19:35 2012. Not sure, but it looks like a connection to the IRT Lex Ave Line at Spring St. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 14:54:51 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:45:14 2012. Never heard of that plan in the Second System. Are you sure you aren't making that up? |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 14:59:12 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 23:21:15 2012. Maybe you couldn't find it because it doesn't exist??? |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 17:40:32 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 13:48:58 2012. Yep, what I'm talking about was that possible connection to the Manny B north of Nevins. |
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 18:36:28 2012, in response to Unbuilt Stuff, posted by renee gil on Wed Aug 1 18:48:52 2012. Turnouts south of Whitehall: One of the trackways south of 59th/4th (blocked by a signal relay room):  The turnout east of Broadway Junction:  2 trackways are visible on the R train where it runs over the Bay Ridge LIRR branch:  One of the trackways south of 36th/4th:  One of the trackways north of 57th/7th: 
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 18:41:30 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 22:51:37 2012. It's not:
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Posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 19:03:24 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 3 18:40:34 2012. 
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 4 20:36:32 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Sat Aug 4 13:48:58 2012. we`re talking about the same stuff. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 4 20:42:36 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 14:45:11 2012. the irt was supposed to get both,so take a moment&realize that we1re both talking about the same thing. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 4 20:45:54 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by renee gil on Sat Aug 4 14:54:51 2012. look at the 1929 drawings from the NY times&you will see the A going into the bronx.why would I make anything up?that would be stupid& found out. |
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Posted by tunnelrat on Sat Aug 4 20:49:13 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by tunnelrat on Fri Aug 3 23:21:15 2012. anymore.there is a common driveway about 100 feet from 4th.ave with 2 or three non-descript small manholes in it.there are no markings on the manholes,maybe 1 of them is the entrance,I don`t know. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 5 02:27:12 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by randyo on Fri Aug 3 18:23:40 2012. What about the bellmouths just S/O 59 St/4 Ave? I don't think they were for the future trackways, unless the local tracks are swerving around the proposed 4-track ROW. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 5 04:01:14 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 5 02:27:12 2012. AFAIK, those bellmouths were for a proposed connection to Staten Island and there was some preliminary construction done in that area which included 2 now sealed up shafts in Owls Head Pk. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 5 04:01:15 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 5 02:27:12 2012. AFAIK, those bellmouths were for a proposed connection to Staten Island and there was some preliminary construction done in that area which included 2 now sealed up shafts in Owls Head Pk. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 5 04:01:15 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 5 02:27:12 2012. AFAIK, those bellmouths were for a proposed connection to Staten Island and there was some preliminary construction done in that area which included 2 now sealed up shafts in Owls Head Pk. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 5 04:01:15 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 5 02:27:12 2012. AFAIK, those bellmouths were for a proposed connection to Staten Island and there was some preliminary construction done in that area which included 2 now sealed up shafts in Owls Head Pk. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 5 04:01:15 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 5 02:27:12 2012. AFAIK, those bellmouths were for a proposed connection to Staten Island and there was some preliminary construction done in that area which included 2 now sealed up shafts in Owls Head Pk. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 5 04:01:15 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 5 02:27:12 2012. AFAIK, those bellmouths were for a proposed connection to Staten Island and there was some preliminary construction done in that area which included 2 now sealed up shafts in Owls Head Pk. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 5 04:01:15 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 5 02:27:12 2012. AFAIK, those bellmouths were for a proposed connection to Staten Island and there was some preliminary construction done in that area which included 2 now sealed up shafts in Owls Head Pk. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Aug 5 04:01:16 2012, in response to Re: Unbuilt Stuff, posted by 3-9 on Sun Aug 5 02:27:12 2012. AFAIK, those bellmouths were for a proposed connection to Staten Island and there was some preliminary construction done in that area which included 2 now sealed up shafts in Owls Head Pk. |
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