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Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 11 20:51:20 2012, in response to MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 11 20:29:13 2012. great, so now a passenger can buy a ticket when they see Conductor approaching. and if they got on at New Haven and Conductor does not get to their car till after Stamford, the Passenger will just buy a ticket Stamford to GCT , hows that again ?? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 11 20:51:20 2012, in response to MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 11 20:29:13 2012. great, so now a passenger can buy a ticket when they see Conductor approaching. and if they got on at New Haven and Conductor does not get to their car till after Stamford, the Passenger will just buy a ticket Stamford to GCT , hows that again ?? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 11 20:58:19 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 11 20:51:20 2012. If the software is written properly, GPS will know where their phone WAS and at what time. Same for the train. Should be interesting to see if the developers already figured this out. :) |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 11 21:45:59 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 11 20:58:19 2012. I don't think we want phones tracking people like that. Wasn't there already some controversy about iPhones keeping records of location vs. time without the user's consent, and didn't they decide not to do that anymore? Or was it Android? They both had some similar (but not identical) issues along those lines, though I don't remember all the details. I hope it is not actually possible to do what you suggest. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 11 21:52:32 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 11 21:45:59 2012. They all do. And yes, piece of cake. If the operating system provides a feature, the code can be written to bypass the "may I please?" Dealing with computer privacy and security violations is what I do for a living.And if the developer wants to be "polite" and actually ask, then the provider can say "no GPS, no sale ... cash rate" ... |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 11 22:22:33 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 11 21:45:59 2012. Conductor I do have a Iphone ticket, but I can't show it, my battery died. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 11 22:26:55 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 11 22:22:33 2012. Hahahaha! Now THAT one will work. :)This is going to be a rather interesting experiment indeed. (grin) |
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Posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 11 22:41:23 2012, in response to MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 11 20:29:13 2012. I'd rather stick with the traditional paper tickets.. |
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Posted by Train2104 on Thu Jul 12 00:34:01 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Dutchrailnut on Wed Jul 11 22:22:33 2012. Then make them buy a surcharged ticket and get an fee-less refund for the iPhone ticket when their battery recharges. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 12 10:42:37 2012, in response to MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 11 20:29:13 2012. AWESOME! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 12 10:44:18 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by error46146 on Wed Jul 11 22:41:23 2012. I wouldn't. Tradition sucks. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jul 12 11:05:23 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 11 21:45:59 2012. I got bad news for you...your pal, Fred |
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Posted by jrf2 on Thu Jul 12 11:58:29 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 12 10:44:18 2012. OK - Buy a phone ticket, take a nap, and get woke up by the conductor. And don't complain !! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 12 15:27:04 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by jrf2 on Thu Jul 12 11:58:29 2012. Your point? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 12 15:28:18 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jul 11 21:45:59 2012. I don't see a privacy issue because no one is forced to buy their tickets that way. |
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Posted by jrf2 on Fri Jul 13 07:41:48 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 12 15:27:04 2012. When I was working in the city, I would have a holder for my work id. Outside was clear plastic, I would put my ticket in it so the conductor could see it and not wake me if I dozed off.Under the new system, how would a conductor know if a ticket had been purchased? |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Jul 13 13:38:39 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by jrf2 on Fri Jul 13 07:41:48 2012. It's not a new system, it's an alternative system |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 13 21:54:16 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by jrf2 on Fri Jul 13 07:41:48 2012. That's only for a monthly pass. An occassional ride would benefit most from phone ticketing. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 14 09:59:59 2012, in response to MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 11 20:29:13 2012. Poor LION. He is dyslexic, and every time he sees this post he wonders why Metro North would be testing semaphores in the first place. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Jul 14 10:31:11 2012, in response to MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Gold_12TH on Wed Jul 11 20:29:13 2012. I can see it now.......1. If the app crashes, the passenger thinks of some cockamamie story on how they tried to purchase their ticket, had it purchased, but the app crashed and now they do not have it. And the Conductor gets tha blame for the crash (as we get blamed for EVERYTHING!!) 2. Having someone forward the one purchased ticket to a few friends and then they all get to use it (aka, take one ride, pass it around!! I sure hope they took measures to prevent this.....probably not!!) 3. Claiming how they purchased their ticket, but then their phone died, and if we can just let them go. 4. When a card gets declined, blame our software or app, or as usual blame the Conductor or crew members, rather than admit they maxed out their card, or used a debit card linked to an overdrawn bank account. 5. Purchase a disablity/senior fare, and when asked to show proof, they present a scan or cell pic of their (or should I say supposedly their own) disability card or proof. 6. Much as Dutchrailbut said, work your way thru an understaffed train (I will use a Stamford Local), have a passenger who boarded at Stamford, but not be reached until Larchmont, and the person then purchases a Larchmont-GCT ticket. 7. Do a "one-fare-sweep" train like #1570, purchase a GCT to East Norwalk ticket, move about the train because their destination is not East Norwalk, buit actually New Haven!! Aye dios mio........"technology"!!! X-P I weep for the day that technology becomes rendered useless......what will humanity do to survive?? Slowly and surely, the end of humanity in railroading begins!!! Fare collection methods like this, TVMs, remote control switching (freight), CBTC, "Robotrains" (AirTrain, etc.) are just the beginning! But I guess in some ways we should only blame ourselves, us the transit/rail folks!! Had the vast number of screw-ups among us been doing our jobs properly ALL THE TIME (i.e., not sleeping, not operating while heavily distracted, being more diligent to duty, etc.), agencies and companies would not have undertaken looking for technology to do what we, as humans and railroaders/transit pros, should be doing properly. :-( |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 14 10:43:00 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Jul 14 10:31:11 2012. Fares will be collected on the platforms.Swipe in and you are charged for a ride to GCT. Swipe off sooner and the charge is reduced. Swipe in at GCT and be charged for a ride to Boston, swipe off sooner and you are charged less. Been used in Japan since the '60s, probly more for all I know. It works. I tried to get off a train early so that I could walk back to the base by a different route, but the station agent, trying to be helpful put me back on the train telling me that I was not at the correct stop yet. My Japanese was not sufficient to discuss the issue. ROAR |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 14 11:25:51 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Jul 14 10:31:11 2012. 1. If the app crashes, the passenger thinks of some cockamamie story on how they tried to purchase their ticket, had it purchased, but the app crashed and now they do not have it. And the Conductor gets tha blame for the crash (as we get blamed for EVERYTHING!!)The railroad SHOULD be blamed if the app is so poorly-designed that it crashes. 2. Having someone forward the one purchased ticket to a few friends and then they all get to use it (aka, take one ride, pass it around!! I sure hope they took measures to prevent this.....probably not!!) LOL! You obviously don't know how smartphone ticketing (in those areas where it is already used, like movie tickets) works. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 14 11:37:54 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Jul 14 10:31:11 2012. I accidentally hit post too early. Here goes the whole post:1. If the app crashes, the passenger thinks of some cockamamie story on how they tried to purchase their ticket, had it purchased, but the app crashed and now they do not have it. And the Conductor gets tha blame for the crash (as we get blamed for EVERYTHING!!) The railroad SHOULD be blamed if the app is so poorly-designed that it crashes. 2. Having someone forward the one purchased ticket to a few friends and then they all get to use it (aka, take one ride, pass it around!! I sure hope they took measures to prevent this.....probably not!!) LOL! You obviously don't know how smartphone ticketing (in those areas where it is already used, like movie tickets) works. 3. Claiming how they purchased their ticket, but then their phone died, and if we can just let them go. How would this be any different from "I lost my ticket?" 4. When a card gets declined, blame our software or app, or as usual blame the Conductor or crew members, rather than admit they maxed out their card, or used a debit card linked to an overdrawn bank account. I'm fairly certain policy will require the ticket to be purchased before the conductor comes to collect. 5. Purchase a disablity/senior fare, and when asked to show proof, they present a scan or cell pic of their (or should I say supposedly their own) disability card or proof. Now you're reaching. 6. Much as Dutchrailbut said, work your way thru an understaffed train (I will use a Stamford Local), have a passenger who boarded at Stamford, but not be reached until Larchmont, and the person then purchases a Larchmont-GCT ticket. See 4. This is a legitimate concern, but unfortunately you've decided to make it 6th behind some Luddite arguments. Aye dios mio........"technology"!!! X-P I weep for the day that technology becomes rendered useless......what will humanity do to survive?? Humanity won't survive. You do realize that the world's current population is supported SOLELY by modern technology and that if the last 250 years of technology (the industrial age) were wiped out tomorrow, billions of people would die. As someone who lives in one of the most technology advanced countries, you would die as well (and so would I), but if it weren't for the industrial revolution, we'd have never been born either. Slowly and surely, the end of humanity in railroading begins!!! Fare collection methods like this, TVMs, remote control switching (freight), CBTC, "Robotrains" (AirTrain, etc.) are just the beginning! But I guess in some ways we should only blame ourselves, us the transit/rail folks!! Had the vast number of screw-ups among us been doing our jobs properly ALL THE TIME (i.e., not sleeping, not operating while heavily distracted, being more diligent to duty, etc.), agencies and companies would not have undertaken looking for technology to do what we, as humans and railroaders/transit pros, should be doing properly. :-( No. Unlike train automation and stuff like that which doesn't really benefit passengers directly, this does and I am looking forward to it. It has nothing to do with employees screwing up. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Jul 14 15:00:41 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Jul 14 10:43:00 2012. They have these swipe stations already in place at some LIRR stations. I've seen them at Great Neck and Port Washington. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 19:29:58 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by NIMBYkiller on Sat Jul 14 15:00:41 2012. How do they work? |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 16 19:32:26 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jul 14 11:25:51 2012. The railroad SHOULD be blamed if the app is so poorly-designed that it crashes.Not any more than Microsoft should be blamed for your computer crashing when your RAM is on the fritz... Plus a lot of phone companies will load up the phone with crap. Maybe there won't be enough memory for a simple ticketing app to run properly... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 19:39:07 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jul 16 19:32:26 2012. People shouldn't buy phones where the RAM can go "on the fritz." |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Jul 16 23:49:40 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 19:29:58 2012. They haven't been using them yet, just preparing them still |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 18:32:43 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jul 16 19:39:07 2012. ....I don't even know how to respond to that. Tell you what, put your phone in a desk drawer with one of those huge magnets for affixing things to file cabinets. Then tell me how your ram is doing. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Tue Jul 17 21:32:07 2012, in response to Re: MTA Metro-North Railroad To Test Smartphone Ticketing This Summer, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Jul 14 10:31:11 2012. "But I guess in some ways we should only blame ourselves, us the transit/rail folks!! Had the vast number of screw-ups among us been doing our jobs properly ALL THE TIME (i.e., not sleeping, not operating while heavily distracted, being more diligent to duty, etc.), agencies and companies would not have undertaken looking for technology to do what we, as humans and railroaders/transit pros, should be doing properly. :-("I know not all railroad employees are bad, but it doesn't take too many to foul it up for the good guys. And much of the job is essentially simple; it's just a matter of going and doing it. Last night on the LIRR the ticket collector punched out both the E and W on my ten-trip west of Jamaica, so I figured he was done with me and wouldn't bother me again. He came along later after Jamaica and I said, "you got me." He said, "we check them again after Jamaica." I had to bite my tongue or else I probably would have been thrown off the train. I've been riding the LIRR for fifteen years-- I know full well that he's supposed to check after Jamaica, but why on Earth did he punch both the E and W west of Jamaica? Why did he have to improvise or be creative? It's a simple job-- just do it the way the book says and no one will get upset. It's these guys that make the suits long for automated fare collection. And the diligent, conscientious collectors who just diid their jobs the way they were supposed to get laid off along with all the rest... |
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