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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012 Just got word that as of 2:41pm - ALL WMATA trains are holding in their stations due to a "systemwide computer failure". Not sure if this is ongoing or not, may want to follow up later. No trains between stations so the release says.wayne |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 14 15:49:51 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. Terrible. For being quite clearly the nations second most successful rapid transit system, they sure do have lots of fail. I was in a similar situation yesterday on the blue line, but that was just one line. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 14 15:50:18 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 14 15:49:51 2012. I mean the Los Angeles blue line. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 14 15:51:32 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 14 15:50:18 2012. may i ask what happened on the lacmta's blue line ? |
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Service restored (Re: WMATA- FAIL?) |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 14 15:53:28 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. Metrorail service restored following computer issueMetrorail service has been restored on all lines following an earlier computer system problem. The issue began shortly after 2 p.m. As a precaution, trains were held in the nearest station until the computer issue was resolved. The cause of the problem is under investigation. Customers may experience residual delays as normal rail service is restored. |
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Posted by Easy on Sat Jul 14 15:55:44 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 14 15:51:32 2012. Someone was hit by a train at El Segundo and trains were being single tracked at rush hour. We had to wait for several minutes at all of the stops south of Washington and then waited for maybe 20-25 minutes at 103rd. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat Jul 14 15:56:59 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 14 15:55:44 2012. thanks for the information : ) |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Jul 14 15:59:46 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. Something like this happened once or twice in the mid-1990s. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Jul 14 17:54:32 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. Due to the issue related to the Fort Totten wreck of 06 22 2009 and the fact that the hardware failure that caused that wreck has not been fully replaced system wide. This is a cover their ass deal. When all of the line side hardware is functioning properly to designed specification the railroad can be operated without the need for Central Control. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Fine, Howard, and Fine on Sat Jul 14 18:02:00 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Jul 14 15:59:46 2012. According to the AP, the 3-year old $20M central computer system thatmonitors the position of every train in the Washington, D.C., Metrorail system failed on the morning of 24 Sep 1999. The backup involved personnel with walkie-talkies along 96 miles of track monitoring trains. As a result, the morning startup was delayed by half an hour. [The cause was not identified. But this was reportedly the first time in 23 years that the start of daily service was delayed! "A graphics generating device for Metro's finicky central computer system froze about 3:20 a.m., sending Metro managers racing to fix it before the scheduled start of daily service at 5:30 a.m. But they couldn't restore it until 5:46 a.m., which meant normal passenger service didn't begin rolling until about 6:15 a.m." -- resulting in 45-minute delays to start the day. "Last fall, the system crashed several times during rush hour, including one episode similar to yesterday's when computer-generated views of sections of the system were blacked out for nearly two hours. In the 15 months after the system was installed by McLean-based BDM International, it crashed 50 times." Source: Computer Failure Puzzles Metro Opening Delayed, Rush Hour Slowed, by Lyndsey Layton, *The Washington Post*, Saturday, September 25, 1999, Page B01, courtesy of Keith Rhodes; PGN-ed http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-09/25/074l-092599-idx.html] |
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Posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Jul 14 18:25:22 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. Windows crashed again as usual. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 14 18:35:03 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. I saw three tweets from people I follow who were stuck in this. Apparently they had no idea what was going on. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 14 18:41:04 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by RiverLINE3501 on Sat Jul 14 18:25:22 2012. 
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 14 18:51:47 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 14 18:41:04 2012. 
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 18:51:53 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. Wow, WMATA pwnt by cyb3r5cr3wup. Time for conductor/motorman setup. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Jul 14 19:01:20 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. That's what I "love" about all this new technology garbage.Putting all your eggs into one basket. Remember when Queensboro Master Tower was brand new? Multiple failures and total shutdowns, effecting the 7, Astoria and the QBL IND virtually every day. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jul 14 23:25:24 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 14 18:51:47 2012. +∞(and no, my "8" did NOT fall over!) :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 14 23:30:25 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat Jul 14 23:25:24 2012. No, but your plus did. :) |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat Jul 14 23:39:21 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. Hey Moe, what does this switch do? Oops! Nrrrrmmmppphhhhh!!! |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 15 13:51:52 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Easy on Sat Jul 14 15:55:44 2012. Well, that sounds a little different. In Washington, the equipment f'ed up (probably Windows-based :-)), but for you, it was a passenger-related incident. In NYC, for a 2-track line, we wouldn't even have gotten single-tracking. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 15 13:54:58 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 14 18:51:47 2012. LOL!!! |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jul 15 20:28:55 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 15 13:51:52 2012. Well, that sounds a little different. In Washington, the equipment f'ed up (probably Windows-based :-)), but for you, it was a passenger-related incident. In NYC, for a 2-track line, we wouldn't even have gotten single-tracking.WMATA's (ROCS) Rail Operation Computer System does not run on Microsoft operating systems. Hell I don't even think any of the hardware has Intel x86 type processors in them. I think the (RTU)s Remote Terminal Units in train control rooms use a RISC based hardware. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Sun Jul 15 20:49:36 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jul 15 20:28:55 2012. WMATA's (ROCS) Rail Operation Computer System does not run on Microsoft operating systems.Well, I guess that's a little comfort. ;-) |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jul 15 22:57:08 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jul 15 20:28:55 2012. UNIX boxes?-w- |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jul 15 23:52:23 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Jul 15 22:57:08 2012. UNIX boxes?Not sure. WMATA's first generation Central Control computer was I believe a Burroughs B7700. They had two of them, one to run the railroad and one for data processing. If the one running the railroad crapped the bed the one normally tasked with data processing could be switched to running the railroad. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Mon Jul 16 00:10:28 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Jul 15 23:52:23 2012. Hah, BART, of course, had pseudo Westinghouse computers (GE ProDaks w/Westinghouse de4cals0. They are long gone--BART IINM is on a third or fourth generation of machines as it approaches the 40th anniversary of service. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 16 00:29:47 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 18:51:53 2012. Time for conductor/motorman setup.I fail to see what a conductor would solve in this case... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 16 04:50:49 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jul 16 00:29:47 2012. OK then, a conductor in every car! |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Jul 16 09:18:17 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 14 18:51:47 2012. LOL!!!!!! |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jul 16 20:02:58 2012, in response to Re: WMATA- FAIL?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 14 18:51:47 2012. LOL!!! |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 18:42:19 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 14 18:51:53 2012. ... even if somehow having a conductor/motorman setup would have helped (it wouldn't, you'd have to completely redo the entire signal system), failures like this barely cost WMATA any money. It may have cost passengers and businesses massive amounts of money when wasted time / opportunites are accounted for, but that is not WMATA's problem. Even if events like this occurred annually, adding more staff to prevent them would not be a fiscally sound decision. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 17 18:53:45 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 18:42:19 2012. failures like this barely cost WMATA any money. . . but you don't explain how. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 19:36:32 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 17 18:53:45 2012. What could possibly cost money? Here's an overestimate:-3 hours of OT for everyone on staff at the time -3 hours of a few consultants looking at the system -3 hours of absolutely no one paying fares. Do you think that would cost more than even 2 weeks of paying an extra crew member per train? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 17 19:53:38 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 19:36:32 2012. Special conditions exist under federal labor law for "computer people." No overtime, no hourly limits ... so you can chalk up those IT droids as "no charge" ... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 17 19:57:31 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 19:36:32 2012. No alternate transportation figured in to this? No damage to reputation? Come on. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 20:40:58 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 17 19:53:38 2012. I know that *all too well*... but consultants do get overtime (albeit not at time and a half) since those are hours billable to the "client" (in this case WMATA)... but either way it was during the work day so the computer folk probably had to put aside some long term project work to deal with this issue, with no extra hours... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 20:41:57 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 20:40:58 2012. Scratch that work day comment since it was Saturday... so yeah your point stands, computer folk can be shafted OT, unless they're consultants... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 17 20:48:46 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 20:41:57 2012. Yep ... know the rules well after all these years. That's why our folks average a 30 hour work week and get paid for 40 in order to be fair when the rare "all hands on deck" call goes out. :)Doesn't work that way for most others tho' ... |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 18 09:49:29 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Jul 17 18:42:19 2012. . . . you'd have to completely redo the entire signal systemIncorrect. WMATA's signal system is nearly identical to what NYCT has, the primary difference being there is no signal lights at the boundaries of the blocks. Speed command are displayed on the operators console in lieu of track side signals. In order to accommodate a motorman and conductor the rolling stock would have to be modified to allow the conductor to open and close the doors, if the purpose of having a conductor to open and close doors is what is had in mind. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Fault found and corrected, Was: WMATA- FAIL? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Jul 18 14:12:22 2012, in response to WMATA- FAIL?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sat Jul 14 15:28:47 2012. For immediate release: 07 18 2012 10:41Metro resolves computer glitch Work continues to make computer system more reliable Metro has fixed the computer glitch that impacted weekend rail service, the agency announced today. The cause was determined to be a failed module in an information management network device. Once the computer module – about the size of a pizza box – was replaced in the early morning hours before the start of train service, the errors that had occurred in the system stopped. “While we have confidence that the immediate issue has been resolved, our work must and will continue to make this system more robust and to improve its reliability for our customers,” said David Kubicek, Metro Deputy General Manager for Operations. The computer problem on Saturday afternoon and early Sunday morning affected an information management system that allows controllers in Metro's Rail Operations Control Center to see where trains are on a dynamic map and to remotely control switches. All safety systems that keep trains properly spaced remained fully operational during both occurrences. Metro rail service operated normally this morning. However, Metro is again advising customers that the extreme heat predicted for later today could trigger speed restrictions that would slow trains during the afternoon and evening hours. Also, for the safety of its customers and employees, Metro will continue to allow water to be consumed aboard trains and buses today. For up-to-the minute news and information about Metro service, subscribe to MetroAlerts at wmata.com/metroalerts. ### John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed Jul 18 21:16:58 2012, in response to Re: WMATA—FAIL?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 16 04:50:49 2012. You are going to supply the MTA with the $$$ to do this? |
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