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Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 30 18:37:01 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 30 08:20:19 2012. We always knew the opponents would be centered in Forest Hills, Rego Park. |
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Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed May 30 19:06:38 2012, in response to Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue May 29 19:41:21 2012. Funny. 25 years ago, Claire Shulman was quite warm to the idea of building the connection. The idea floated then was for a stop at Metropolitan and another at either Fleet or Yellowstone, which would have significantly cut the schlep to/from QB for a lot of people to the south and west who were stuck with the buses on Woodhaven, getting to the Q23 to Continental, hoofing, or getting a lift. AFAIK it never got beyond the discussion stage. Cord Meyer wasn't interested in that part of town since it was low-density residential and historic with zero chance of building up...their interests were the core at Continental and down at Metropolitan which were capable of much greater revenue and prestige (and getting MTA to build Yellowstone Junction to funnel the super-express into Continental, not provide Rockaway service). So, without a big real estate push, there wasn't anything to spur further interest. The FH Gardens and Russell Sage groups didn't have enough clout on their own. |
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Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queensrp |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed May 30 19:21:55 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Michael549 on Wed May 30 12:31:50 2012. Reactivating an existing rail line is certainly cheaper than building a brand new one, and MTA spends billions on their capital program every year. They could very well end up building one or both of the lines you mention: if the political will ever gains traction. The current crop of Mega-projects under constructiom had to overcome all the hurdles you mentioned. |
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Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed May 30 19:25:35 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Joe V on Wed May 30 18:37:01 2012. The Crescent people can be obstructionist but the bigger complainers will be anyone who illegally built up/onto the ROW. F* them. Fine them for having used the land for free all these years. Turning that into a greenway will turn out to be a horrendous mistake. Restore the ROW/structure for eventual return to service as subway *NOT* LIRR. Maybe allow for bicycle and ped use until it's connected to the QB mainline...that would be a good 20-30 years out. Build the station shells, mount the signal masts, lay the rails and put removable decking over them to allow for maintenance...and be a constant reminder that it will be part of the subway. Be real creative and slap on a "if you obstruct, you will be f*ed dry with an assessment for preventing service." |
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Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 30 20:44:44 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Ian Lennon on Wed May 30 15:35:51 2012. I'm surprised his wife hasn't gotten a "get" on him which I believe is akin to a divorce. |
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Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens |
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Posted by numbersix on Wed May 30 23:00:32 2012, in response to Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue May 29 19:41:21 2012. When I read her statements I can't get Mrs. Broflovski's voice out of my head. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 23:34:49 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 29 21:52:47 2012. OK Turtle 3. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 23:40:00 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Rockparkman on Tue May 29 23:19:40 2012. Switzerland was invaded by the French First Republic. Google "Helvetic Republic." |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 30 23:42:04 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed May 30 08:20:19 2012. What the fuck is your point? Did you really expect the Council representative from the area to be a Republican or a member of some other party? |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu May 31 02:01:20 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by TERRapin station on Wed May 30 16:42:20 2012. My point still stands. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu May 31 02:02:03 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Rockparkman on Wed May 30 16:19:47 2012. LOL! |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Thu May 31 02:17:34 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 29 19:48:26 2012. Whose mantra includes "less government spending?" |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 03:18:51 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Ian Lennon on Wed May 30 15:35:51 2012. Yes, because you treat everyone you interact with the exact same way, no matter the means of interaction or the nature of the relationship. |
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Posted by Ian Lennon on Thu May 31 04:51:37 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 03:18:51 2012. T3 defending T1. I love it. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu May 31 06:44:46 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Ian Lennon on Thu May 31 04:51:37 2012. Yeah I find it kinda pathetic... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 31 07:05:38 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue May 29 21:52:47 2012. A lot of us don't use white as our default background color.... |
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Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queensrp |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 31 07:07:02 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queensrp, posted by J trainloco on Wed May 30 19:21:55 2012. That was the only point I was trying to make...never say never.But then again, many take this way too seriously... |
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Posted by Gamera on Thu May 31 08:35:51 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 31 03:18:51 2012. many have learned that people should always be treated the same way regardless of the means of interaction or risk changing the nature of the relationshiphttp://www.thechronicle.com.au/story/2012/01/17/assault-over-facebook-slur/ His lawyer Kevin Rose told the court the incident was another example of what was becoming more common with disparaging remarks placed on a Facebook site leading to assaults. His client had no criminal history and had acted out of anger arising from remarks left on Facebook about a female friend, he said. |
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Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Thu May 31 13:16:21 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Michael549 on Wed May 30 12:31:50 2012. The issue of having rapid transit serving areas beyond the existing footprint is one of those that oscillates every 5-10 years. Right now, the overly-green types like Ms. Koslowitz are running their mouths, and deliberately concealing the detrimental long-term effects a greenway will have over converting it to a rapid transit extension. Eventually, she will be replaced by someone who wants to truly be green, grow mass transit, and get more cars off the roads.Since MTA already owns the ROW, they should at the very least go after those who have been illegally encroaching on it for the last 50 years. Clear the debris, do an end-to-end assessment of its condition and come up with some estimates for restoring it to rail-ready condition. Shore it up some, say from Union Turnpike to Yellowstone Blvd or Fleet Street, lay down removable decking, and give people a temporary walk/bikeway. Then, as money comes along, lay tracks, signals, build a couple of station shells. Eventually, tie it into the QB mainline as envisioned in 1929. Make it a goal to have Rockaway service via Queens Blvd a reality by the QB line's centennial. Once people realize subway service is within reach, mark my word, they'll demand it happen sooner. |
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Posted by randyo on Thu May 31 20:10:44 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Dan Lawrence on Wed May 30 20:44:44 2012. Although I am not Jewish myself, AFAIK under orthodox Jewish law only the husband can grant the get. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu May 31 21:30:08 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Ian Lennon on Thu May 31 04:51:37 2012. Who's T2? |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 1 08:07:13 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed May 30 10:19:02 2012. Exactly. But that said, even I thought the Orange M was a good idea, but I didn't epxect it to ever happen. BTW, I would have named it the K...but that's just quibbling, I suppose. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jun 1 08:09:10 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by Michael549 on Wed May 30 12:31:50 2012. With great reluctance, I must agree with you 100% |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jun 1 08:11:36 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed May 30 10:19:02 2012. Well DUH!!The point was never say never. While the scale of the project is not comparable, the "never happen" is completely relevant. The rockaway Branch is far from an impossibility of return, unlike other lines such as the Whitestone branch, or Evergreen branch. THOSE are "NEVER a glimmer" of a chance of happening. The Rockaway Branch, is completely possible. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jun 12 16:48:55 2012, in response to Re: Councilwoman Koslowitz rips (abandoned Rockaway) train line @ C.B. 6 Queens, posted by randyo on Thu May 31 20:10:44 2012. I suspect you are right. I'm Roman Catholic and don't really know Jewish law. You know the Turtle is the boss in in their house. |
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