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Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 27 19:03:09 2012 Bergen Record
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 19:10:43 2012, in response to Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 27 19:03:09 2012. There is absolutely no way they can consider replacing dedicated locomotives like the GP40's with these things. As a straight diesel, they will not perform nearly as well as the older models. They should cancel the additional engines after the base order. That's more than enough to provide 2 for every possible additional train which can be squeezed into the current Penn Station. |
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Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 27 19:48:21 2012, in response to Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 27 19:03:09 2012. Leave it to that pandering asshole Marty Robins to makes excuses for NJT.Why does he always get quotes ? What did he ever accomplish other than opening that silly Voorhees School ? |
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Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP |
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Posted by NJCL2308 on Fri Apr 27 19:57:06 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Apr 27 19:10:43 2012. There are no additional trains that can be squeezed into Penn. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Fri Apr 27 20:01:04 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by NJCL2308 on Fri Apr 27 19:57:06 2012. Off peak and weekends? |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 27 20:22:42 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by merrick1 on Fri Apr 27 20:01:04 2012. Shoulder rush and weekdays midday - maybe, which is also when there is less commercial need to do it.Weekends: forget it, Amtrak often is single-threading thru 1 tube. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 13:40:50 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by NJCL2308 on Fri Apr 27 19:57:06 2012. What I meant is extending existing trains past their electric terminals. Service on the Boonton line and west of Dover can be achieved by extending trains which currently terminate at Dover or MSU. Same thing on the NJCL. Doing this keeps the number of trains the same, but adds direct service to NYP from the diesel lines.The RVL is screwed. Any RVL service into NYP would require cutting a train elsewhere. |
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Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 28 13:56:49 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 13:40:50 2012. Well yes, but that adds train miles, which NJT is loath to do.What I could see on weekends is the 4 Rahway locals (and deadheads in the opposite direction) get the axe - turn their slots over to RVL trains. They now run with 2 eight car sets of Arrows. Then it is also zero-sum in operating costs - abolish the 2 Arrow jobs, add 1 RVL. But they would be stuck with the exact time slots, and do not know if that works operationally with the single tracking constraints on the Lehigh Line or gives a reasonable amount of time to relay in Raritan. This all assumes the locos work. From what a birdy in Amtrak mgmt told me is that the engines have oscillation problems and would run on Amtrak trackage at restrictive speed - basically an E44/E60 issue. Since in reality NJT trains don't get over 40 - 50MPH east of NWK anymore or for any great distance anyway (regardless of what they're supposed to do), that may not be an issue. |
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Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 28 16:37:58 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 28 13:40:50 2012. Service on the Boonton line and west of Dover can be achieved by extending trains which currently terminate at Dover or MSU.That assumes those things could cope with the Montclair line grades. What the other ALPs have done to the schedule is bad enough, but tossing the DPs up there for the WORMs could be truly disastrous unless they schedule them as diesel runs. So, 35 locomotives and the better part of a half billion dollars down the drain and all we'll have to show for it might be a few runs from Penn Station to Bay Head. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 28 17:30:06 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 28 16:37:58 2012. I smell a kick-back with BBD.A few guys on trainorders.com say the CN has banned them from their trackage due to a derailment in revenue service. They were never to be assigned to the CPR lines out of Windsor station. They needed new diesels, no question about that, but 35 could have been had for $175M, and the balance spent on infrastructural needs. But that would have meant Alstom or BLI - no kickback there, which is why I suspect it with BBD. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Apr 28 22:23:26 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 28 17:30:06 2012. A few guys on trainorders.com say the CN has banned them from their trackage due to a derailment in revenue service.Congrats. Now AMT* is stuck with a white elephant and a line it can't operate because the train needed is banned from operating on its tracks. AMT is probably going to end up electrifying much earlier than expected, and NJT and AMT are going to be stuck with locomotives they can't even dump on the used market. I hope they have the right to sue BBD in their respective contracts... *Supposedly, the only reason that AMT ended up with the units in the first place was because NJT's large purchase ended up subsidizing the costs for them. AMT wanted them, but only NJT was willing to place a large enough order for BBD to even consider the idea... Windsor station Why must you use the name that the white man gave to it? Vive Gare Lucien-L'Allier! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 28 22:29:36 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Apr 28 22:23:26 2012. AMT is probably going to end up electrifying much earlier than expectedNo, they weren't expecting to electrify. And electrification is contingent on frequency when new-build; the frequency of Repentigny-Mascouche line trains still doesn't warrant it. Supposedly, the only reason that AMT ended up with the units in the first place was because NJT's large purchase ended up subsidizing the costs for them. AMT wanted them, but only NJT was willing to place a large enough order for BBD to even consider the idea Baloney. They wouldn't have cost as much as they do, if that were the case. Why must you use the name that the white man gave to it? What the blazes is wrong with you? No, you aren't funny. And that's aside from the fact that French people are white themselves. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Apr 28 23:57:21 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 28 22:29:36 2012. No, they weren't expecting to electrify.Now that GO Transit/Metrolinx is considering actual electrification with something resembling a plan, now AMT has become open to the idea as well, especially since the province uses inexpensive hydro power. Repentigny-Mascouche may run peak only service, but it seems that eventually, they'd like to have real levels of usable service. And that's aside from the fact that French people are white themselves. I've met Anglo Canadians who told Francophones to "speak white", so the notion of the Quebecois people not being white isn't that far fetched, especially in light of the discrimination they faces at the hands of the Anglo Protestant population. Besides, white can always vary by the context that one uses it. I may have dark skin, but in certain contexts, I'm *white*. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Apr 29 00:22:25 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 28 22:29:36 2012. "Why must you use the name that the white man gave to it?""What the blazes is wrong with you? No, you aren't funny. And that's aside from the fact that French people are white themselves." Well you do have to have to throw off the yoke of colonialist oppression You don' think all those Washington Streets and Madison Avenues in the US were originally named that do you? The Quebecois may be white but see |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 00:40:56 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by merrick1 on Sun Apr 29 00:22:25 2012. Complete hooey. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 02:20:24 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Apr 28 23:57:21 2012. Doesn't mention Repentigny-Mascouche specifically in those electrification plans. If anything comes of it, don't be surprised to see the lines out of Almost-Windsor electrified and not anything new on the Gare Centrale side. |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Apr 29 08:30:57 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 00:40:56 2012. Quebec was like South Africa. The majority were oppressed by the minority. Of course Olag probably doesn't think Black and Coloured South Africans were oppressed either. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Apr 29 13:27:33 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sat Apr 28 23:57:21 2012. I've met Anglo Canadians who told Francophones to "speak white", so the notion of the Quebecois people not being white isn't that far fetched, especially in light of the discrimination they faces at the hands of the Anglo Protestant population.In the grand scheme of things, they're still ahead. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Apr 29 13:27:50 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 28 22:29:36 2012. Based on what I've picked up, white man is a separate entity from white people; one represents a small group that controls everything and another represents the rest of the citizenry. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 13:49:58 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Apr 29 13:27:50 2012. Something funny in the water up there. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 29 17:08:57 2012, in response to Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 27 19:03:09 2012. Many of the current locomotives in the NJT fleet are based on frames that are north of 40 yerars old, however. The F40PHs are from the early 1980s, but the rest are from between 1965 and 1973. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 17:33:32 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by AMoreira81 on Sun Apr 29 17:08:57 2012. Many of the current locomotives in the NJT fleet are based on frames that are north of 40 yerars old, howeverSo what? That doesn't justify buying all of the ALP-45DPs one bit. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Apr 29 17:44:51 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 17:33:32 2012. So their bought, canceling order would cost more than taking delivery.So what is your solution ?? oops you got none. just critisism on your part so what is new ??? |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 29 18:35:27 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Apr 29 17:44:51 2012. Out of 35, 7 are here. If we cancel the rest of the 28, the first 18 cost $10M, the next 9 cost $8M.New diesels cost about $5M. I find it hard to believe that even with cancellation penalties, they would not be better off cutting their losses right now. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 19:07:25 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Apr 29 17:44:51 2012. So their bought, canceling order would cost more than taking deliveryNot at those prices. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Apr 29 20:03:52 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Joe V on Sun Apr 29 18:35:27 2012. With a project this far along the penalty may exceed or match the outstanding units.The Materials are bought, the steel is cut, etc etc. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 29 20:23:58 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by merrick1 on Sun Apr 29 08:30:57 2012. Olog weeps for the fall of the NP. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 20:28:34 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Apr 29 20:03:52 2012. . . . and they can be reworked into another type of TRAXX* unit if needs be. The Caterpillar prime movers can be used in different locomotives or even in boats.* "TRAXX" still stands for "Trans-national Railway Applications with extreme flexibility" after all, emphasis on the last two words. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 20:29:10 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by merrick1 on Sun Apr 29 08:30:57 2012. Propaganda. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 20:29:50 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Apr 29 20:23:58 2012. LOL! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Apr 29 20:52:10 2012, in response to Re: Media finally questioning NJ Transit's profligacy vis-à-vis the ALP-45DP, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 29 20:28:34 2012. Yes they can be, but without extra money they won't.So NJT is stuck with these pigs, and at cost. Bombardier is not gone eat the loss. |
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