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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 18:16:53 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 2 22:01:03 2012.

The R-9s through 32s had a "variable load" valve which reset each time the doors opened and closed which is what caused the puff of air. Starting with the R-38s, the load weighing device was changed to a "load sensor" which was always open and didn't have to reset itself hence no more puff of air when the doors closed.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 18:20:19 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Freddy the Foamer on Tue Apr 3 14:35:15 2012.

The door operating system on the D types was like that on the C types and Qs in which the C/R opened and closed the doors by means of a handle similar to those found on the R-15s through 22s rather that the caps and triggers found on the R-1s through 12s.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 3 18:44:41 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 18:10:04 2012.

But will people refer to the rebuilt R142A as R188 ?

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 3 18:53:55 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 18:06:55 2012.

Did they ever let one of those R16's slip onto the RR (or was it QT ?) out of Forest Hills ?

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 3 18:55:03 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 18:12:20 2012.

TA did not want old equipment stalling at Dekalb Av or on the 2 track portion of the Brighton north of PP.

That equipment did not age well.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Apr 4 01:25:16 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 18:16:53 2012.

I don't recall a "puff of air" with the electric door motors (SMEEE's) but rather a klunking sound underneath the car body in the vicinity of the A1 package.

WE-44

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 4 01:28:28 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Freddy the Foamer on Tue Apr 3 14:35:15 2012.

Yeah..the 1/9 were great..but not the 16's.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Westcode44 on Wed Apr 4 01:30:55 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Apr 3 00:39:13 2012.

Those were westcode single door operators-retro fitted from the R44's. They proved to be more reliable until the cars were all retired in the early 80's.

WE-44

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by CJ on Wed Apr 4 03:32:55 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Edwards! on Wed Apr 4 01:28:28 2012.

Putting the R16s on the BMT was a huge mistake. Had it been the IND then it's safe to assume they would of gone down in history as an alright piece of rolling stock with a couple of issues with them addressed here and there. The only thing they are known for now is for being disasters on wheels, which is what deferred maintenance does. However I wish one of them would pull up to the station only not covered in graffiti.



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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 4 08:28:39 2012, in response to March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by William A. Padron on Sat Mar 31 12:22:11 2012.

And, sadly, 168th/Jamaica died within 6 months of that date as well...

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 4 08:34:02 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 1 16:50:08 2012.

Although condemned Standards were were designated, and some even signed up as GG trains, I don't think they ever actually ran in that service...

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by blue8irt on Wed Apr 4 12:08:45 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Mar 31 12:55:49 2012.

Wow! They look like military transport vehicles.


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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 4 13:22:30 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 1 12:13:24 2012.

Do you know if the R1s that broke down in 1966 ever got repaired and returned to service, or were they just the first group to get scrapped?

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 4 13:26:47 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Apr 2 17:50:39 2012.

I was born in 1968, so if I was ever on a Standard, I don't remember. And in those days, we didn't live, and neither of my parents worked anywhere near where the L (LL) runs, so it's very unlikely to have happened. But if they ever got the Museum Standards going, count me in!!

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Apr 4 13:30:01 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 3 18:53:55 2012.

They did have them on the EE (the local that ran from Forest Hills to Whitehall). There are pics at nycsubway.org of EE-signed 16s.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 4 13:30:33 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Sun Apr 1 19:16:40 2012.

Even I can remember Arnines on the F back in '75, when I was 7. I didn't like them, as I couln't see out the door windows. Now that I'm ostensibly an adult, I can appreciate their charms.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Apr 4 13:33:03 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 2 18:33:35 2012.

I remember them on the E & F!!!

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Apr 4 13:33:33 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Apr 1 12:13:24 2012.

I always thought it was strange that the Queens Blvd line only had R1/9 for the longest time and nothing newer until the R38s showed up. Then the 40s (slants and non-slants) and the last batch of the R42s (4924 thru 4949).

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Howard Fein on Wed Apr 4 13:43:45 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Tue Apr 3 18:12:20 2012.

Yes, I believe R1/9s were removed from the M when it was extended to Coney on weekdays to replace the newly-christened J, which was cut back to Broad Street 24/7. This was the turn of '72-'73.

In my memory, they were last used on the D around '72, and the Queens Boulevard lines and the CC during the summer of '76. The LL must have stopped using them somewhere during the fall of '76.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Howard Fein on Wed Apr 4 13:47:00 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Howard Fein on Wed Apr 4 13:43:45 2012.

Oh, and the EE seemed to stop using the 1/9s around '72 or so- even though they continued to run on the GG.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:21:42 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Apr 4 01:25:16 2012.

The puff of air from the variable load valve on SMEEs was a little more muffled sounding than the one from the R-1/9s but it was definitely there. On the BMT, pre R-27s didn't have the interior guard light so was C/Rs were were instructed to listen for that puff of air on the R-16s when checking doors to clear a hanging guard light and/or cutting out a door. R 27s and up (on the IRT starting with the R-22s) there was a blue interior guard light above the crew emergency key switch. Eventually all IRT SMEEs were retrofitted with the interior guard light but neither the R-10s nor the R-16s were retrofitted until the R-16s received the R-44 type door operators.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:31:41 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by FormerVanWyckBlvdUser on Wed Apr 4 13:30:01 2012.

That's true but Joe V is talking about the pre Chrystie assignment of the R-16s to the GG in 1966. I doubt that any R-16s during that period showed up on the RR/4 Av lcl since at the time there were only a very small number of R-16s with Southern Div signs and these carried the old BMT route numbers. The GG signs were spliced into the Eastern Div signs that most of the R-16s had. Some time after Nov 1967 when Chrystie went into effect, the R-16s were transferred off the QJ route and assigned to the RR/4 Av lcl and while they had RR side and end signs spliced into the route signs, and Astoria spliced into the upper destination rolls, the lower destination signs had black on white stickers pasted onto the sign windows that read "95 St."

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:32:52 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by blue8irt on Wed Apr 4 12:08:45 2012.

It's the original olive drab paint scheme often referred to in NYCTA documents as "subway green."

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:35:00 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 3 18:44:41 2012.

Good question. However since I believe the true R-188 number applies only to the single cars that will added into some of the 5 car units to make 11 car trains, I don't think so.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:43:30 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Howard Fein on Wed Apr 4 13:47:00 2012.

Although the QJ to Stl was mostly R-27/30s with an occasional R-42, 1 or 2 trains of R-9s did show up in that service from time to time. As for the EE there was an incident circa 1972 involving a stalled EE in the 60 St tube which jacked up EE and RR service in the PM rush. Although it turns out that the trouble train was a SMEE (R-16 I believe), the powers that be in the TA ordered all R-1/9s off the EE so that the EE became 100% SMEE and the GG ran with mixed equipment.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:46:15 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 2 18:33:35 2012.

Not really. Both the E and F had an interesting mix of R-1/9s, R-38s, R-40s both slant and straight, R-44s and R-46s which were brand new in 1976.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Apr 4 14:58:45 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Mon Apr 2 16:41:11 2012.

Yes, you would have had good memories of them ... and probably long lasting ones, too, especially if you are the adventurous type :)

--Mark

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:59:06 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Apr 4 01:30:55 2012.

AFAIK, the door operators were not removed from the R-44s but were brand new units ordered specifically for the R-16s. The R-16 were the first major BMT/IND car order to have all electric door operators which were manufactured by the National Pneumatic Door Co and they were always troublesome. The IRT R-12s through 15s also had NP all electric door operators and unfortunately, the designers of those cars failed to account for the additional drain on the battery circuits to operate the doors and I recall many incidents of battery failure on the R-12 in their final years on the 3 Av El. How the 12s through 15s fared on the Flushing Line in their early years, I can't say but since the Corona Barn fleet was isolated from the rest of the iRT, the C & S crew there probably kept on top of things more that the rest of the IRT C & S Dept. The later IRT SMEES had door operators manufactured by Consolidated Car Heating Co and they seemed to perform better that the earlier cars.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 15:11:25 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by CJ on Wed Apr 4 03:32:55 2012.

I think that one of the reasons the R-16s ended up on the Jamaica Line was the size of the car order. 200 cars was about the right number to supply the Jamaica Line with possibly some left over for a few trains on the other Eastern Div Lines. In 1956 shortly before the Fulton St el shut sow, I rode a train of R-16s on the 14 St Line on a Sunday even though the Multis were the usual equipment that ran on the 14 St Line to Canarsie during off peak hours. Around that time, however, there were 50 R-16s on the IND A line and the R-10s on loan to the BMT were still in service there and shortly after the demise of the Fulton St el, i saw a train of R-10s in service on the 14 St Line. There wouldn't have been enough R-16s to completely equip the A Line and although there was talk of transferring the R-16s to the Southern Div, nothing came of it again probably because there weren't enough R-16 to fully equip any of the Southern Div lines. There were probably no IND lines at the time that could have been fully equipped with R-16s except possibly the AA/BB and It probably wasn't deemed appropriate to have the newest cars on a local line while the A would be running with slightly older equipment.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 15:11:44 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Westcode44 on Wed Apr 4 01:25:16 2012.

The puff of air from the variable load valve on SMEEs was a little more muffled sounding than the one from the R-1/9s but it was definitely there. On the BMT, pre R-27s didn't have the interior guard light so was C/Rs were were instructed to listen for that puff of air on the R-16s when checking doors to clear a hanging guard light and/or cutting out a door. R 27s and up (on the IRT starting with the R-22s) there was a blue interior guard light above the crew emergency key switch. Eventually all IRT SMEEs were retrofitted with the interior guard light but neither the R-10s nor the R-16s were retrofitted until the R-16s received the R-44 type door operators.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 4 17:10:21 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:31:41 2012.

Those stickers were so tacky.
What destination signage did the R16 have - just the Eastern Division ?

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 4 17:12:25 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:43:30 2012.

Don't forget the stray R32 that made it to the QJ - touch of class.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Apr 4 17:27:18 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 1 22:25:22 2012.

I ran into a few of the "painted ladies" on the Curly Joe and the Larry. They were undeniably ugly in that livery, especially inside, where even the fan blades were slathered in white.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Apr 5 09:52:40 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 15:11:44 2012.

but neither the R-10s nor the R-16s were retrofitted until the R-16s received the R-44 type door operators.

IN exception, 2958 and 6398

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 5 12:45:45 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Apr 5 09:52:40 2012.

I recall seeing (and even photographing) Green EOH R-10 #2959 that had an interior red guard light installed at each of the manual open bypass key position inside the car. Unusual when I saw it, and #2959 was the car originally selected to be set aside for the Transit Museum, but was eventually sent to the scrapline anyway.

-William A. Padron
["Bedford Park Blvd, Bronx"]


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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by chud1 on Thu Apr 5 13:17:27 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by William A. Padron on Thu Apr 5 12:45:45 2012.

Mr Pardon, i lived in Bedford Park Blvd before moving to Woodlawn Bronx.
chud1

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 5 13:33:28 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 4 17:10:21 2012.

Most of the R-16s only had Eastern Division signs for some reason. A small number, I'm not sure how many had Southern Division signs. In the summer of 1969, as a M/M I was working the Culver Shuttle and happened to have an R-16 on the north end that still had a Southern Div end route sign. I turned it to %/Culver and ran with it that way the whole week I had the run.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 5 13:34:54 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 4 17:12:25 2012.

I had a train with some R-32s in the mix on the QJ on July 4. 1969.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Apr 5 13:35:48 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:35:00 2012.

As well as the 110 all-new cars (10 11-car trains) in the same contract.

wayne


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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 5 13:40:53 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Apr 5 09:52:40 2012.

I'm not talking about the occasional oddball experiment but an entire fleet retrofit. When the R-44s through 68s still had the individual exterior guard lights for each door panel, a few M/L R-33s and Flushing R-36s got individual interior and exterior guard lights as well, but when the actual GOH was done, they only got interior guard lights for each panel and the concept of individual external guard lights for each door was eventually abandoned and the ones on the 44s through 68s were removed.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Thu Apr 5 13:41:08 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Wed Apr 4 17:10:21 2012.

Most of the R-16s only had Eastern Division signs for some reason. A small number, I'm not sure how many had Southern Division signs. In the summer of 1969, as a M/M I was working the Culver Shuttle and happened to have an R-16 on the north end that still had a Southern Div end route sign. I turned it to %/Culver and ran with it that way the whole week I had the run.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 5 15:39:34 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 5 13:33:28 2012.

I know about the "95th Street" plastered on the south route sign, but that may have been a way to influence the removal from the QJ to the RR via the RJ, and they were off the QJ within 4 weeks after Chrystie. They all did in fact have a north route sign for "ASTORIA" in those big fat letters. I saw a picture of an R16 interior in a book that had "95th ST FRT HMLTN"

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:40:19 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 5 13:33:28 2012.

Did it say 5/Culver?

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:42:52 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:31:41 2012.

I remember seeing similar 95th St. signs on what appeared to be R-27/30 RR consists back then. Now that you mention the R-16s, maybe that's what I saw. After all, the R-27/30s already had 95th St. - 4th Ave. side destination signs.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:49:40 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by zac on Mon Apr 2 19:17:44 2012.

Karl B, who remembers when the R-16s were brand new, says that poeple loved them back then. They seemed to hold their own (except when a blizzard would hit) on the Three Stooges Division prior to Chrystie St., but went downhill when they were transferred. Maybe the ENY crews knew them inside out and took better care of them.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:54:34 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 15:11:44 2012.

On the SMEEs, it gave off an F#-pitched beep. On the R-1/9s, it went, "pshhht." I'm trying to remember if the BMT standards gave off anything resembling a load sensing valve sound. Did they?

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 5 20:55:48 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 5 13:34:54 2012.

I wonder if you knew my pops..?
he went over to the eastern division from the south..said he'd never EVER go back down there...

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:57:48 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Mon Apr 2 22:01:03 2012.

These days, all of their motors are healthy. It makes a big difference. Does the death march on 9-12-70 ring a bell?

And, well, we don't need to revisit the heat in 1277 being on on a certain day in 1973....

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:59:23 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 3 18:55:03 2012.

By then, they were the neglected stepchild of the system.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 21:03:03 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Thu Apr 5 13:34:54 2012.

A Borgaschmord train, eh? I'll bet the rest of the cars were R-27/30s.

The Mets swept a doubleheader against the Pirates in Pittsburgh that day. The first game started at 10:30 AM. Tom Seaver, who lasted long enough to get the win, was quoted as saying, "I don't like 10:30 AM starting times. I'm not fully awake until the fifth or sixthinning."

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