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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 21:08:20 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Apr 2 20:39:02 2012.

I remember they would go, "PSHHHTT!!!!" when their compressors would kick in. They were much louder than the ones on the R-1/9s. And when the standards dumped, they really dumped. A nice, resounding, SCH-CHOOOWWWW!!!!" when they would pull into 8th Ave. Then when their doors opened, it sounded like a curtain being pulled open.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 21:18:50 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 2 21:22:55 2012.

My first R-10 ride was in July of 1967. My mother and I spent the day in the city and essentially railfanned the whole day except for a tour of NBC Studios, where we caught a glimpse of a Match Game episode being taped. I don't remember where we boarded (it might have been at 42nd St., since came into PABT by bus), but we stayed on it to Broadway Junction. One thing I do remember was noticing for the first time that we were blowing past a local stop, which would have been either 23rd or Spring St. I even exclaimed to my mother, "We're skipping this stop!" It took a while longer for the four-track express-local concept to sink in, but by October of that year, I had it down pat. At Broadway Junction, we changed for the Larry and it was there that I got my first glimpse of the BMT standards (not to mention R-32 TT trains layed up in ENY Yard). My first reaction? What century were they from? Old, ugly, no signs up front, only three sets of doors per side for a car that big - what's going on here? We boarded a Larry and rode it all the way to 8th Ave., then backtracked to Union Square. I also remember going as far as DeKalb Ave. on a Norton or possibly a Queasy, then headed back to Manhattan on a Norton across the north side tracks. I noticed the Myrtle Ave. station, which was still lit then, and a gentleman pointed out that it was closed.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 6 12:10:17 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Wed Apr 4 14:43:30 2012.

That stalled train was actually in the 11th St cut and conked out on the approach to Queens Pza. Couldn't make the uphill left turn and so it died. That was quite a mess, with passengers passing out in the heat. The "EE" train BEHIND it was the Oldimer.


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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 13:56:12 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Thu Apr 5 15:39:34 2012.

The 95 St FRT HMLTON is the reading found on the few R-16s that did have Southern Div signs. The sign reading I meant ti show was 5/Culver but I inadvertently pressed the shift key.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 13:57:22 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:40:19 2012.

That's what I meant to type but I hit the shift key accidentally. It did read 5/Culver.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:01:43 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Edwards! on Thu Apr 5 20:55:48 2012.

What was his name and title?

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:05:46 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:54:34 2012.

The steels did emit a sound but because the magnet valves for the individual door engines made so much noise it was hard to tell what was what.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 17:45:03 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 21:08:20 2012.

What humored me about the Standards is that their break hissing and door hissing sounded identical, or at least that's what I remember 44 years ago.

From when I was 5 years old, I loved the Standards, couldn't stand the Arnines (Lo-V's I don't remember). Never could figure out any rational reason.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:12:50 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 21:18:50 2012.

I preferred the R16 over the R10 since the R10 had green interiors, like the Arnines. I do not like the color green nor the Arnine. For some reason, the Standards were present-company-accepted.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:32:11 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:49:40 2012.

The Jamaica Line was always a cake-walk for equipment. There is no other way a delicate car like the R42, out there now for 24 years, can keep running. The minute they were put on the E & F a few years ago (on their way to the ocean), they fell apart.

Think about R16 requirements: Route 15 off-peak was 6 car trains (or less) at 12 minute intervals. If that is about 13 train sets, only 78 of 200 needed for off-peak service. They seldom ran off peak on the 16, the 10 & 14 were rush hours,, they had an easy life. Send them to the RR, which did not have a yard along its route, and steady use of 8 cars trains on long run between Astoria and 95th, they wore out.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 19:08:36 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:32:11 2012.

Just before the Myrtle/Chambers was reduced to a rush hour only service in 1959, I recall riding a midday 3 car train of R-16s on that service. I also recall that the first time I rode Myrtle and the first and only time I rode Fulton which was on a Sunday in 1956, there were trains of R-16s on the 14 St Line. As for the R-42s, most of them were used on the A, AA/B, D, E, F, N and RR with the remainder assigned to the QJ, LL and M. Most of the R-42s performed yeoman service on the BMT and IND mainlines and it was only after GOH that they were exiled to the BMT Eastern.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 19:11:23 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 21:08:20 2012.

Actually, I always thought that the dumping sound from BMT steels, D types and IRT LO-Vs sounded more muffled than the dumping sound from the R-9s rather than the other way around.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 19:18:27 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:12:50 2012.

As delivered, the R-16s and the R-10s had identical interiors as did all the SMEEs up to and including the R-30s (IRT R-29s excepted) which was a two tone blue and gray. The only exception was the last 10 R-22s delivered cars 7516 - 7524 which had a speckled green interior the same color as the paint used on the BMT steels that were rebuilt in the 1960s. In addition to the speckled green interior, those last R-22s had rigidized doors and a single pane drop sash storm door window as well as being the first NYCTA cars to have the salmon colored fiberglass seats that became the standard for several contracts. The first NYCTA cars to have hard plastic seating were the 10 air conditioned R-17s and those seats were the same shade of red as the padded seats and were "butt molded" like the R-62s.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 19:57:16 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 19:08:36 2012.

I'm just going by my memories living the Jamaica el in the 1960's.
You remember how horrible the R42's were just before the GOH on the B & D ? The R27's and R32's just seemed sturdier and better able to take it.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:11:31 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 18:32:11 2012.

Can you imagine how long the BMT standards would have held up, had they never left that line? They might still be running now!:)

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:16:28 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri Apr 6 12:10:17 2012.

Everybody out and push!

I hope no one got sick on that train from the heat.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:20:59 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 19:18:27 2012.

I remember that interior on the R-27/30s. For some reason, I remember their door interiors being more purplish than blue.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:24:24 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Fri Apr 6 17:45:03 2012.

To me, riding on the BMT standards was cruel and unusual punishment. I just didn't like them. That's why more often than not we'd bail at Union Square (along with almost everyone else) for a nice, brisk express sprint up Broadway on a Norton, which I liked to refer to as a BMT train with signs up front.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:28:49 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 14:05:46 2012.

I don't remember hearing a whole lot of noise when their doors closed - maybe a soft "pshhht," but certainly nothing loud. You'd hear the door leaves bumping against the center posts, if anything.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:30:34 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by randyo on Fri Apr 6 13:57:22 2012.

I've seen photos of R-16s on the double Ralph with a 2/4th Ave. front route sign.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 7 12:24:52 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:24:24 2012.

My parents referred to the Broadway BMT as "the other BMT". I had no problem with it. I also knew intuitively that Coney Island was their Holy Land.

If headed to mid-Manhttan, my mother would say "honey , we are taking the Independent" (and the Q11 to get to it). That put a damper on everything.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 7 15:33:55 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:30:34 2012.

Probably one of that same group of cars or even the very same one that I had on the Culver since they were serviced by CIYd at the time.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Sat Apr 7 15:37:46 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:20:59 2012.

You may be thinking of the R-29s and M/L 33s and 36s which had deeper blue walls than the R-27s and did have rather purplish doors.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 8 00:04:45 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Joe V on Sat Apr 7 12:24:52 2012.

I was a BMT Southern Division fan. In fact, I still consider the R-32s as BMT cars since that's where they started their illustrious careers. In fact, were it not for all those IND rides diwn 8th Ave on R-10 Abbott trains (at my insistence), I would still be a diehard BMT Southern Divison fan. It's in a dead heat with the IND.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Apr 8 14:51:35 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:16:28 2012.

A number of people were taken to hospital on both the R16 and the Oldtimer, from what I remember in the news. The Oldtimer was in the cut as well; it had pulled up behind the R16 in an attempt to assist.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Apr 8 14:58:31 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri Apr 6 23:24:24 2012.

The one thing that impressed me about the Standards from the few/several times I rode them was that the interior lighting was extremely dim - very much like the Museum piece. The R-1/9 stock had better lighting and the ones that went East had even better lighting.

wayne


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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 8 19:18:29 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Apr 8 14:58:31 2012.

Moe probably told those lamebrains to use brighter bulbs in THree Stooges territory.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Apr 8 20:33:52 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sun Apr 8 19:18:29 2012.

Speaking of which - get ready THIS FRIDAY. Guess who's coming to your local theatre!



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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Apr 8 21:37:40 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Thu Apr 5 20:57:48 2012.

There were countless problem cars - lights-out was a common fault, so was heat-on; every so often one would develop stuck brakes and stick the entire consist somewhere. Dead motors? Tons of 'em, especially on thr "GG", before the R16s took over. Deferred maintenance at its finest.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Apr 9 01:54:24 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Sun Apr 8 21:37:40 2012.

Heat on the R1/9's and any old car:

As far as I know there was no such thing as a thermostat.........heat was either on or off. So with a crowded underground train a car could get too hot...........then outside and a few people in the car that heat isn't enough.

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 9 02:34:59 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Apr 9 01:54:24 2012.

There were three switches on the bulkhead behind you head on the bench with those. Yeah, there were thermostats, but if those switches (nor breakers) were UP on the panel, then there was heat. Sorry, no excuse for "out of season" heat on arnines. Those three switches were LABELLED and any motorman (sorry, that was MY title) who had those switches on trainline was a "momentary" sadist. You were SUPPOSED to check that stuff.

There was also a COMPRESSOR switch on the 2 end. Guess what happened if THAT was turned off? :)

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Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service

Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 9 14:09:37 2012, in response to Re: March 31, 1977 - The Last R-1/9 Run In Service, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 9 02:34:59 2012.

At all terminals, there were heat and fan boards which posted the number of points of heat that were called for based on the weather forecast for the day and issued to the terminals by the trainmaster's office (later the command center). The same was for fans and the number of windows per car that were to be opened. The R-9s had 4 points of heat maximum on 3 switches. One of the heat switches turned on 2 points and the other 2 1 point each. The BMT steels had 3 points although the amount of heat provided was probably the same as the R-9s, just divided up differently. The heat and fans on the R-9s could be energized on the entire train from the cab unlike the BMT steels and IRT prewar cars which had to have the heat and fans turned on or off on each individual car. Once cars with thermostatic controls arrived, the heat and fan boards diminished in significance since they only applied to cars without automatic climate controls of any kind.

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