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Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Jan 30 00:19:15 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jan 30 00:01:36 2012. I don't agree with you, but at least you understand my viewpoint and you're not shoving some idiotic service pattern that clearly hurts more people than it helps down my throat. This thread has run its course and regardless of what I say, the service pattern will stay so this is my last post in this thread. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 30 01:25:02 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jan 29 21:22:50 2012. That's awful advice. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 30 01:28:40 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 29 02:12:33 2012. The E didn't have special trips to/from 179th before 2001. I thought the problem was that some F trains were replaced with E trains due to 53rd being preferable and due to capacity issues had to go to 179. If they were swapped, this would be mitigated. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jan 30 05:45:44 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Sun Jan 29 23:43:50 2012. So sad.... |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Mon Jan 30 05:46:01 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 30 01:25:02 2012. I think it's good advice. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:20:56 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Edwards! on Fri Jan 27 22:11:34 2012. that and the Archer line down to Springfield Blvd..so the MTA did really deviate from that..much.Haha, well except for never building the Springfield line.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:23:57 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Edwards! on Sun Jan 29 22:18:20 2012. Correct, I don't get the issue. The Queens Blvd express already has a train through 53rd St, the E. They don't need to send both expresses through 53rd St. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:27:54 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Wallyhorse on Sun Jan 29 01:04:30 2012. My plan would be to make all Eastern division platforms on the (L) and at least from Metropolitan to Broad Street on the (J)/(M)/(Z) 600 feet since the platforms between Canal and Broad may need to be extended anyway to accommodate SAS trains via Chrystie at a later date. The former Myrtle El stations that are part of the remaining portion of that El I would be extending anyway to prepare that branch for one of two new linesANy lengthening would have to involve the J too. The J's stations are actually the easiest to lengthen. The Fulton stations have plenty of room, the Broadway El are all side platform (with the exception of Myrtle and Bway Junction, and the Jamaica el stations are all side platforms, all very simple to extend. What's the length of Sutphin and JC? Are they the same as the upper level? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:30:51 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jan 29 10:58:54 2012. The grade crossing at Broadway and myrtle will need to be eliminated.No, just extend it the other way. No need to "eliminate the grade crossing". While the local trackways would have to be realigned for about 70 feet, it's not the end of the world. In 1915 the whole el was realigned, all with service running and 1910's technology no less. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:35:16 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jan 29 21:12:24 2012. He's not talking about the lenthening (which is totally doable), he's talking about this idea to get rid of the grade crossing. He's right, Broadway is not wide enough to have two tracks diverging out from the existing three tracks. There's barely enough room for the three present tracks, much less having two diverging 4th and 5th trackways diverging out for a portion before realigning above the existing tracks. Perhaps in the 1980's when half the buildings there were abandoned, but now that most are occupied again, it would be a lot harder to take over property there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:37:56 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Avid Reader on Sat Jan 28 11:46:54 2012. Platform extension to bring all 480 Ft. platform to at least 600 Ft.would be best for universal conformity.The current TRAINS are 480 feet, NOT the platforms. The Platforms are actually mostly at least 536 feet long....the length of 8 car BMT standard trains. The platforms only need to be extended about 70 feet, not 120 as you are implying. An exception would be Metro Ave. |
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Posted by Danny at 103rd street on Mon Jan 30 07:47:38 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Outside the Box on Sun Jan 29 16:04:30 2012. CBTC shouldn't be coming to the Lexington ave till years and years later.and I do understand were MTA comes from about the two major derailment that happen years ago. but I think MTA is overdoing it. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 30 08:09:50 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:35:16 2012. The idea was to diverge one track at a time, and ramp it up.Once elevated to clear enough to run above the lower tracks. Move it directly above its lower track. Then diverge the other track to elevate above the lower tracks. So at any point, there would only be four tracks width above B'way. That would be close to the width of three tracks and two platforms. Sorry if I was not clear enough in earlier posts. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 30 08:53:11 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jan 29 17:52:25 2012. Also agree on that, though costs obviously are an issue, which is why I said West 4th, which would get the (M) into Manhattan. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 30 09:01:42 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 30 08:53:11 2012. Why short change what was the "V" portion of that combination of "M"V" ?Are the Queens BLVD riders less deserving of service? avid |
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Posted by boliqua2 on Mon Jan 30 09:31:25 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:27:54 2012. Sutphin and Jamaica Center lower level are both 600 feet long |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 10:43:11 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Jan 30 08:53:11 2012. It's strange to see you worrying about cost... :) |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 10:44:19 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 30 09:01:42 2012. We're talking nights and weekends, hours that the V didn't run either. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 11:06:32 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jan 30 01:28:40 2012. The E didn't have special trips to/from 179th before 2001.I somehow remember it did. It was just not mentioned on the map. The E was 14tph and the F 16tph then. Isn't Archer only able to handle 13tph? |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jan 30 11:31:29 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 30 08:09:50 2012. You should edit a track map from NYCSubway.org to accuratly show us your idea. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 30 12:52:27 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:27:54 2012. I believe both J stations on Archer Ave can handle longer trains.The J and M does not need them. Platform extensions at Myrtle and Broadway Junction would require a lot of reconstruction at the west ends, and I doubt there's enough space at Metropolitan between the end of the platform and the crossover to handle 600'. The only line that needs platform extensions is the Canarsie line. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 13:30:21 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 30 08:09:50 2012. The ONLY WAY that could be possible,if the Myrtle line Metropolitan avenue bound track was diverged from the BWAY route at Lewis avenue..to join the old stubs of the upper level.One track one way only. this way..no property should be taken since the area is wide enough at both corners to allow the EL to transition over.Thats as good as its gonna get. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 13:31:39 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Elkeeper on Sun Jan 29 21:12:24 2012. are you reading..or assuming that's what I said? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Jan 30 13:34:31 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 11:06:32 2012. I thought it was 18 F vs 12 E. Swapping the E and F makes sense for Queens riders, but Brooklyn Culver riders, who seem to be the squeakiest wheel in the city, will scream. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 14:20:42 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jan 30 11:31:29 2012. But it takes more than a track map. In order for a trackway to get to the point where it can position on top of another trackway, for a length of incline, you have to have the two tracks running parallel. That means that you have to have the space for an additional trackway on the side of the local tracks to do it.I agree it would be a wonderful idea to build a grade elimination there, and because of the upper level that used to be there, there's already the incline on the other side from the old Myrtle el. I like the idea of having the Queens track to it though, but the buildings are so close there. The only thing I can say is do it out further west just west of the Myrtle station, there is a stretch where there are some projects between Flushing and Myrtle, and there is a lot of space there with the buildings set back there and run it double decked to Myrtle. The curve would still have to go over the ROW of the current curve though, as you can't just swing it around to the upstairs trackways as there's not enough room for a curve. The new trackway would go over the current local track, have a station parallel, but above the current station, with one platform, one track. However, the higher track would then have to go over the current curve, but just higher up. There's no way to connect a train from Broadway onto the old Myrtle upper leads, as the curve would be too steep, it has to go double decked to the current ROW for the curve, but just higher. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 14:31:04 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 13:30:21 2012. Yes. Or my idea in the post I just said. You do only have to have one trackway (I originally said 2, but you don't need it for the Manhattan trackway, only the Queens). I said making the trackway diverge between at about Park (near the projects), where there is room for a parallel trackway over the sidewalk of Broadway, as the project buildings aren't close to the el like the old buildings are. I don't know if there's enough room though to incline between Park and Stockton St to get back in line above the current local track.Your idea would also work, but it couldn't go all the way to Lewis Ave itself, while it can diverge at Lewis/Broadway, it would have to cut the curve from Stockton onto Myrtle by to Lewis in order to align with the old Myrtle trackway. I think that could work though, and probably would be cheaper than the double decker track all the way from Park to Myrtle, and then it would have to double deck over the current curve ROW onto Myrtle, as there's no way it could align from being above the local Broadway track to going onto Myrtle there. Your idea is much better as the infastructure for the upper level is there already, and it's all set up for a diverging upper line at Bushwick Ave. Your idea would only involve new el structure along Lewis Ave to Stockton St, then demolishing the corner buildings at Lewis and Myrtle, and then meeting the old Myrtle structure between Lewis and Broadway, and then tracking that trackway back down to Myrtle. It would only need to use one of the old Myrtle trackways, as you don't need it for the Manhattan track, and and of course this would banish M trains from never using the center track. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Jan 30 14:39:32 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 14:20:42 2012. There's no way to connect a train from Broadway onto the old Myrtle upper leads, as the curve would be too steep, it has to go double decked to the current ROW for the curve, but just higher.Hmm, how steep would it be compared to say, the curve from the Jerome Avenue line to the White Plains Road line at 138th Street in The Bronx? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 14:39:55 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by boliqua2 on Mon Jan 30 09:31:25 2012. So the J's stations are extremely easy to extend. All the Fulton stations have amble room, and the side platform stations are also easy to extend. That only leaves Myrtle-Bway (a tough one) and Eastern Parkway (and of course the underground Manhattan stations). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 14:53:48 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 30 12:52:27 2012. The J and M does not need them. Platform extensions at Myrtle and Broadway Junction would require a lot of reconstruction at the west ends, and I doubt there's enough space at Metropolitan between the end of the platform and the crossover to handle 600'.The switches can be moved, it's not like it's an impossible task, as it's all surface running there anyway. The J and M does not need them. Platform extensions at Myrtle and Broadway Junction would require a lot of reconstruction at the west ends, and I doubt there's enough space at Metropolitan between the end of the platform and the crossover to handle 600'. The only headache station on the J (outside Manhattan) is Myrtle and Bway, and yes, that would require structural work at the west end (it can only happen at the west end). But it's not impossible, and the space is there. The original Myrtle station sat further east (a single island platform) sat directly on top of what is now the interlocking, and they had to rebuild the whole area where the current Myrtle station is now anyway. And that was with 1915 technology, and all while service ran through. This is looking west from the upper level:  This is looking east from the west edge (then) of the original Myrtle station. The station extended east to where the interlocking is now.  The only line that needs platform extensions is the Canarsie line. No doubt...but that involves overwhelmingly mostly underground stations from Bushwick-Aberdeen to 8th, considerably more work and cost. The Canarsie line end itself east of Bushwick Aberdeen is on el, and fairly easy to do. Not to trivialize the fact that the Canarsie line needs it more....but basically saying the J would be relitively easy in the scheme of things, outside Manhattan, with the one exception at Myrtle-Bway. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 30 15:59:32 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Avid Reader on Sun Jan 29 19:40:12 2012. Marcy actually is the one in question although I also have my doubts abut the one at Bway/Myrt also. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Mon Jan 30 16:03:52 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Dj Hammers on Mon Jan 30 11:31:29 2012. A structure similar to the one in the video would be built.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be6tH82flMw |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 30 16:13:35 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 14:53:48 2012. I agree it COULD be done, but it's not worth the expense. The J, M and Z hardly max out the physical capacity of the Williamsburg Bridge line, adding an extra TPH would be a cheaper alternative to meeting increasing demand than spending millions to lengthen platforms.The Canarsie line is another story. Even with CBTC demand is taxing capacity. Here is where it makes sense to add 2 cars to every train, increasing capacity by 20% without having to add extra trains. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 30 16:31:20 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 14:39:55 2012. Bway/Myrt can be extended west with little difficulty and if the former tower 2 structure at the west end of E/Pky Manh bound plat is removed that station can be extended west also. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 17:50:31 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 30 15:59:32 2012. Looking at Google Maps, the tracks leaving Broadway at Myrtle go through a sharper curve but the tracks are further apart than at Marcy so I can't really tell. From there, the tracks joining Myrtle Ave. are even further apart so I don't think it would be a problem there. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 17:56:46 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by J trainloco on Mon Jan 30 13:34:31 2012. In any case it's 15 vs 15 now. Brooklyn Culver riders are loud for sure, but they have been relatively quiet since the V went to Eastern Division instead of their way and they got used to the Culver Viaduct re-construction. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 18:09:34 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 30 16:13:35 2012. Are all the Canarsie line stations still able to handle 536' trains? If so they should really evaluate the possibility of running 9 car 540' trains. Both cabs could be in the tunnel but all doors should platform. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 18:11:57 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 14:31:04 2012. You have the general idea..I would divert the queens bound track at/along LEWIS/PARK Avenue[Sumner Houses/one track row]past Stockton to the EL stubs..recondition the Myrtle AVE/BWAY UPPER FOR IN BOUND SERVICE ONLY..but in such a way that no property would need to be taken since the SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE has a parking lot there on the corner of Lewis and Myrtle avenues.. The problem here is late night and weekend SHUTTLE service..Would the TA continue to operate this service..or install a double slip switch west of myrtle avenue for out bound service? I believe late night service should operate to Manhattan for a connection the the F at delancey st. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 18:13:13 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 07:20:56 2012. That would have made the E train more agreeable to PATHman. :p |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 18:36:29 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 30 15:59:32 2012. It not Marcy in question..but the whole row between there...The tracks a very close together..from the curves to the bridge.. There was one time when the TA thought about changing the EASTERN DIVISION rail car size to the smaller IRT dimensions due to this narrowness.. The 75ft problem wont be an issue anymore since they are on there way out.. |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Jan 30 19:03:21 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 17:56:46 2012. People are forgetting that when the V was created, in order to create space, 3 F trains per hour were eliminated. That's why the Brooklyn F is more crowded than the Queens F. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jan 30 19:05:37 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 30 16:13:35 2012. The Canarsie line is another storyBuild tail tracks to increase the capacity at 8th Avenue and run more trains. :-) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 19:46:43 2012, in response to Re: MTA chief Joseph Lhota: We need to expand subway stations, posted by PATHman on Mon Jan 30 19:03:21 2012. ..those trains were given to the E..12tph to 15tph [F=18-3=15]making the E line more frequent/attractive since it the shortest line in operation along Queens Blvd...the F and R absolutely do NOT operate enough trains during rush hours. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Jan 30 19:48:22 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 18:11:57 2012. I believe late night service should operate to Manhattan for a connection the the F at delancey st.And weekend... if the F and M can do it at 57/6th, the M and J should be able to. |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Mon Jan 30 20:12:05 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Jan 30 18:09:34 2012. Ordering R211 in 5 car sets and shifting some R160 4 car sets to JMZ would do this. There is the issue with equipping these new cars with CBTC and adjusting in station stopping points and speed profiles for curved and track switch sections to account for longer trains.Those motorman platform CCTV video monitors could also be out of place with 9 car trains. (OOPS!! there goes OPTO) |
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Posted by Outside the Box on Mon Jan 30 20:41:08 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Jan 30 19:05:37 2012. Could be good for midday, night, and rush hr breakdown layups too. There could be 3 tracks beyond 8th Ave to store 3 trains.Another option might be to reconfigure the existing trackage between 6th and 8th Ave stations. The middle track is currently a layup track. Link up the middle track to the current western diamond crossover location and convert it to a double slip switch set. Near 6th Ave, add another double slip or wye switch set. That should add a buffer to hold or let in/out trains waiting to enter or leave 8th Ave terminal. It should also reduce/shift downstream crossing in front of conflicts. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 21:10:10 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 18:11:57 2012. sorry..I meant to say "outbound..or Queens Bound" service only. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 21:19:16 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 18:11:57 2012. Actually, I like that idea. The M could run to at least Essex on weekends. It would probably have to turn on the center track, so the J would have to be put on the M track at Essex those times. It would eliminate all the switching at Myrtle and Broadway.. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 21:29:04 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 30 16:31:20 2012. I don't know if there is room for about 70 foot extensions, which would be what is necessary. It would leave extremely narrow ends at the station, which is already pretty narrow to begin with. The platforms once platformed 536 foot trains, so it would be about 70 feet to bring that up to 600. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 21:40:12 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 21:19:16 2012. exactly..though I know the TA would say,"if it aint broke..why mess with perfection"? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 30 21:57:22 2012, in response to Re: Expanding Eastern Division Platforms to 600 Feet, posted by Edwards! on Mon Jan 30 21:40:12 2012. I totally abandoned the first idea. Idea of sending the Queens M around along Lewis Ave and then to Myrtle and over using one trackway of the existing structure is almost brilliant. Only thing though, I think they would have to demolish whatever is on the corner of Myrtle and Lewis, as they would have to soften the curve as the new el would turn from lewis to Myrtle.It would cost money, but truthfully, it would eliminated a real bottleneck on both the M and the J there Almost the whole switching infastructure could be removed. While the M would still have to merge in front of the J the the J is running local to Manhattan, it wouldn't be any different than any other merge between two lines. Not that I would want the shuttle to continue between Myrtle and Metro, it could still be done. The switch could be retained to the middle track and use the current Queens track on the turn to return the M to metro when shuttle running, but I would rather see the M turn at Essex those times. |
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