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Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011 edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Queens activists want to turn a long-neglected stretch of Long Island Rail Road track, some of which is overgrown with foliage, into a park similar to Manhattan's High Line. An anonymous group of architects is working on yet another plan to transform a stretch of abandoned train tracks in Queens into the borough’s version of The High Line, according to a South Ozone Park activist. “There are a bunch of architects who have been working locally,” said Anandi Premlall, who has been publicly advocating for a park on the abandoned Rockaway Branch of the Long Island Rail Road, which cuts a rusty, overgrown swath through several neighborhoods in the borough. Premlall, who would not name the architects but said she was meeting with them at the end of the month, was inspired by the Manhattan park, which is a greenspace built on another set of elevated subway tracks. The premise for the Queens version would be the same, according to Premlall, since the old LIRR line has not been in use since the 1950s, when the railroad company sold the tracks to various city agencies. Divorce Fast The neglected strip begins in Rego Park, where Little League diamonds now occupy part of the old footprint. The track, a portion of which is owned by Department of Citywide Administrative Services, then runs south through Forest Park and along the border between Woodhaven and Richmond Hill. At the intersection with Atlantic Avenue, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s A train takes over and runs down to the Rockaways. Premlall hopes the unused portion, at least from Forest Park to around Atlantic Avenue, could be made into a park. “So far, people are supportive and they would love to see this happen,” she said. Premlall proposed the idea for a competition hosted by the Institute for Urban Design, and two architects drew up plans of what the park could look like in response. In addition, the institute included the idea in a book depicting the possible future look of the city. She also spoke about her vision at the Queens Museum of Art. But this plan has been proposed before. Several years ago another group came forward with plans to build a park on the elevated tracks and members of Community Board 9 also advocated for an elevated bike path along the tracks. “There was an enormous opposition to it and it would cost an enormous amount of money,” said CB 6 District Manager Frank Gulluscio, whose district encompasses a portion of the tracks. Part of the problem is that ripping all the track would cost millions of dollars, he said, and another is that part of the tracks are now privately owned. “There’s just a lot to it,” he said. “It’s not just, ‘Oh, there’s empty land, let’s go ride bikes.’” In addition, Betty Braton of CB 10, which covers areas like Howard Beach and Ozone Park, said that southern Queens, especially the Rockaways, wants to keep the tracks open in the hopes LIRR service would one day be revived. “We have a stated position that we are in support of the revitalization of the Rockaway branch,” she said, recalling an earlier proposal that was brought before the board several years ago. But Premlall is aware of the previous opposition and said that since the LIRR has no plans to reinstate the railroad, the community would benefit from a public greenspace. “I’m just a concerned citizen who would love to see this happen in the community,” she said.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Nov 11 02:39:06 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The heck with all the "greenspace". More infrastructure devolved so it can't be used.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by G1Ravage* on Fri Nov 11 02:42:46 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d As unlikely as it is for that ROW to ever be used for any sort of rail purpose again, I think it should remain a ROW to at least keep some hope alive of a cross-borough light rail line that's occasionally flaunted. A High Line-style park in that area of Queens is simply not going to work as they're imagining. This isn't Manhattan. If the NIMBY's don't want a secure light rail line zipping past their homes, I doubt they'd approve of a public park where people can simply stroll past the backs of their houses.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Nov 11 03:08:39 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Nov 11 02:42:46 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d MTA won't do light rail. And if they did, it'd cost as much as building it as subway, and result in being able to carry far less passengers.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by JBar387* on Fri Nov 11 03:18:19 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Doesn't the subway currently own it? As far as I remember.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by FarRock* on Fri Nov 11 03:22:31 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The more hype the ”Racino” gets, the higher chance of that line being converted to subway service. A park would be a waste.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Fri Nov 11 04:53:01 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by JBar387 on Fri Nov 11 03:18:19 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No, the City owns it. It's ownership is labeled as DCAS, the Department of Citywide Administrative Services
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Fri Nov 11 04:58:01 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 11 04:53:01 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d And that's the entire ROW too. There are no privately owned segments as the article suggests. Even the infamous apartment parking lot, and schoolbus lot is STILL owned by the DSAC, assumingly renting those locations to them. The only segment that is not labeled as DCAS is the Forest Park Segment which states ownership as "Department of Transportation". The ROW is intact in ownership, and all city owned.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Fri Nov 11 05:26:49 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 11 04:53:01 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Owner Name DCAS Ownership Type C House No 1 Street CENTRE ST Apartment No RM 2000N City NEW YORK State NY ZIP Code 10007-1604 Last Updated 2008-08-19 Billee Name D C A S
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Joe V* on Fri Nov 11 07:17:07 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 11 04:58:01 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I think there is an illegal softball field as well. The city doesn't bother to see it.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by andy* on Fri Nov 11 07:41:23 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's been nearly 50 years since a train rolled along this r.o.w., so the argument for a recreational space is hard to ignore. It may be a pipe dream now, but I would like to see subway service restored as was always the idea. At the north end trains could tie into the Queens Blvd. IND local tracks at 63rd Drive, where bellmouths for such a connection were built and still exist. Tranfers to the J train could be provided at Jamaia Ave. (old Brooklyn Manor LIRR station). Since R and M trains only have two more stops going north after 63rd Drive, some could be diverted onto the new route. An R train could travel from Bay Ridge to Far Rockaway - talk about an around the world route!
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Fri Nov 11 08:14:33 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 11 07:17:07 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d How do you know these parking lots are "illegal"? I find it hard to believe the School bus company, the apartment building with their parking lot, and even perhaps the softball field, doesn't have some agreement with the city. Everyone just assumes it's "illegal".
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by mike cruz* on Fri Nov 11 09:08:55 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 11 08:14:33 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d it's been known that the apartments extended the parking lot over the ROW. the school bus company filled the ramp from the old LIRR connection, I think that might be the only segment that was sold.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by mike cruz* on Fri Nov 11 09:10:20 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I wanna ride that new "A" train that runs from Atlantic ave to the Rockaways LOL! Media is SOOOOOO mis informed about the line.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Train2104* on Fri Nov 11 09:20:45 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d VERY good idea. Abandonned ROW's in a city as big as NYC is just millions of dollars of real estate gone unoticed. Given it has no streetfront access, the best use is parkland. But there may be criticism by those who live along the ROW and expanded their backyards.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Fri Nov 11 09:21:36 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by mike cruz on Fri Nov 11 09:08:55 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d it's been known that the apartments extended the parking lot over the ROW. the school bus company filled the ramp from the old LIRR connection, I think that might be the only segment that was sold. Yes, they USE those segments, they are NOT sold, as I said, they are owned by the DCAS, as well as the entire ROW, (Except for the Forest Park segment, also publicly owned, although stated as 'Dept of Transportation" as stated, and ownership is completely intact for the entire ROW. As for the apartment complex and school bus company, I would assume they have a LEASE agreement to use those parts. They do NOT own them, and it's safe to say they didn't just barge over their property and begin using it without the concent of the city, which owns it.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel* on Fri Nov 11 10:05:34 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by G1Ravage on Fri Nov 11 02:42:46 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d A High Line-style park in that area of Queens is simply not going to work as they're imagining. This isn't Manhattan. If the NIMBY's don't want a secure light rail line zipping past their homes, I doubt they'd approve of a public park where people can simply stroll past the backs of their houses. This isn't Manhattan, either: View Larger Map
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Dyre Dan* on Fri Nov 11 10:40:28 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Nov 11 10:05:34 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No. And if by "Highline-style" they mean an artificially landscaped park, there is absolutely no reason to build such a thing. But why not just open up the land for use as a park, without doing any significant construction? They would need to put up some fencing and remove some other fencing, so people could access the land but not adjacent private properties. And that's about it. Possibly some stairs or access ramps might need to be built. Put a bike trail in place of one track. But no need to remove the rest of the old rails, except where there may be something particularly dangerous in them, like sharp rusty points. And certainly no need for significant "architecture" of any kind.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Mitch45* on Fri Nov 11 11:07:09 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The railroad doesn't belong to the LIRR anymore, it belongs to the City of New York.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by SLRT* on Fri Nov 11 11:27:55 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Did the LIRR/State actually sell it to other agencies. Did they get permission to formally abandon the line?
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Dan Lawrence* on Fri Nov 11 13:04:07 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 11 05:26:49 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d When did the last LIRR train use it?
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Mitch45* on Fri Nov 11 13:05:40 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Nov 11 13:04:07 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d 1962.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Dan Lawrence* on Fri Nov 11 13:07:09 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 11:27:55 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I suspect the LIRR got permission to abandon the line from the ICC, since it's been half a century or more since a train ran over it.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Fri Nov 11 13:07:52 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Nov 11 13:05:40 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d When are you going to start answering all the posts where I replied to you?
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by streetcarman1* on Fri Nov 11 13:36:25 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Nov 11 13:07:52 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Check your emails.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Osmosis Jones* on Fri Nov 11 14:33:30 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Terrible idea, it should be utilized for a line between Midtown and JFK or Howard Beach.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by randyo* on Fri Nov 11 15:06:03 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by FarRock on Fri Nov 11 03:22:31 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If the operators of the racino can attain sufficient political clout, then the restoration of rail service along that ROW is a distinct possibility.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by The Silence* on Fri Nov 11 16:39:09 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Nov 11 13:07:09 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No, they never asked. it's simply "disused".
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Fri Nov 11 16:52:31 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by The Silence on Fri Nov 11 16:39:09 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Disused? Well put. They just walked away from it. Ran trains one day & did'nt the next. Left everything there. AFAIK at the time of the "disusement" (Check Webster here!) not a stick of rail was picked up. 3d rail juice was shut off & on with the rust. At least Penn Central, as broke as they were, when they abandoned something, they ripped up the rail. Took some time in many cases but it got done BTW heres whats gonna happen to the Rockaway line ROW...nothing.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Nov 11 16:59:21 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Nov 11 16:52:31 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d BTW heres whats gonna happen to the Rockaway line ROW...nothing Nah, not nothing. Nature will do something to it . . . and ze bums.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Fri Nov 11 18:20:44 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Dyre Dan on Fri Nov 11 10:40:28 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Lots of the line would still have to be cleared if it was to be used for a park, it's thick growth and underbrush, and the rails are tripping hazzards. Furthermore, the line is INFESTED with poison ivy in many spots.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Fri Nov 11 18:23:40 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 11:27:55 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The line was sold to the City of New York in the 50's already. The DCAS (Department of Citywide Administrative Services)owns it, with a mailing address of 1 Centre St in Manhattan. As far as I know, the line was never formally "abandoned", that's why all the infastructure, rails, tracks, signals, etc all remained, and were never removed. The line was banked into "disuse", but not abandoned. Of course, mother nature had other ideas.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Edwards!* on Fri Nov 11 18:24:25 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 11 18:20:44 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Open the row up..build a box tunnel..close it..build a liner park on top.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Fri Nov 11 18:26:25 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Nov 11 16:52:31 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No, he's serious. The line was not formally abandoned. The line was sold to the City of New York in the 50's, and they chose to only use the Liberty Ave and south portion. The LIRR stopped operation in 1962, and the northern end of the line was put into "Temporary Disuse". That is the reason the line was never scavenged with rails, signals, etc removed. They all remained. It all remained because it wasn't "abandoned". That disuse turned into 50 years, and Mother Nature had other ideas for it.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Fri Nov 11 18:32:03 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 11 16:59:21 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d My bad, you're right. Nature has the initial & in time, final say on this line...& every other one for that matter.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Andrew Saucci* on Fri Nov 11 19:13:05 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Edwards! on Fri Nov 11 18:24:25 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d "Open the row up..build a box tunnel..close it..build a liner park on top." I like this idea.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by SLRT* on Fri Nov 11 19:47:47 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 11 18:26:25 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Well, my point is that there are laws and procedures. That's why you have the "Rails to Trails" procedure. It allows the railroad to keep title and restore service at some future time while it can be used as a recreational trail in the meantime, or maybe forever. If the line is formally abandoned you have to start looking up the original deeds and easements. Many railroads received easements from adjacent property owners with the provision that if the line was ever abandoned, the property would revert to them.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by SLRT* on Fri Nov 11 19:50:03 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Nov 11 18:23:40 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d To restate a point I made in another post, the LIRR may not have had clear title to the entire r-o-w. Once formally abandoned, adjacent property owners whose predecessors granted easements in the past so the line could be built can demand their property back.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Joe V* on Fri Nov 11 20:26:46 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by andy on Fri Nov 11 07:41:23 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They have a huge Forest Park to play in. They don't need this. This is a NIMBY tactic to prevent re-activation.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Nov 11 20:27:30 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 11 20:26:46 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What should the new Rockaway Line letter be once we actually connect it to the Queens Boulevard line, then . . . ?
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Joe V* on Fri Nov 11 20:29:19 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Nov 11 13:07:09 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Abandonement was not the legal term. If that weer so, they would have scrapped the trackage, just like the CNS&M - it was scrapped. The ROW was actually sold to the city in the early 1950's and the LIRR continued to use parts of it until 1962.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Joe V* on Fri Nov 11 21:07:00 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 11 20:27:30 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I don't care. Railbank it. Once you give it to Trails, it's gone forever.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by The Silence* on Fri Nov 11 21:15:07 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Nov 11 16:52:31 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d True abandonment requires permission from the feds. No one has ever asked to have the line legally abandoned. the line is only "out of service".
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Joe V* on Fri Nov 11 21:24:14 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by The Silence on Fri Nov 11 21:15:07 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d The word "abandon" is over-used. Some people don't realize it has a narrow and strict legal definition
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Andrew Saucci* on Fri Nov 11 21:50:28 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 19:47:47 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d "That's why you have the "Rails to Trails" procedure. It allows the railroad to keep title and restore service at some future time..." When someone starts a "Trails to Rails" program, then I will believe the "restore service" part. For all practical purposes, once it becomes a trail, I have a hard time imagining rails put back on it. The trailists would just never allow it.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Nov 11 22:22:18 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Andrew Saucci on Fri Nov 11 21:50:28 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d IAWTP. Not a single case of trails reverting to rails exists.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by hank eisenstein* on Fri Nov 11 23:50:04 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 11 22:22:18 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Check your Trains, I think there is one in progress in New Jersey. And yes, it's a problem.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sat Nov 12 07:42:15 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Nov 11 20:27:30 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d M or R, as either of those could be extended.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sat Nov 12 07:45:31 2011, in response to Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by SLRT on Fri Nov 11 19:50:03 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That is not true on the Rockaway line. That is however true on the LIRR MOntauk Branch through Queens had that in it's charter, and the reason that quirky local service lasted as long as it did through there, and why one train a day still uses the line (they had some sort of loophole filled to get rid of the local service. The Rockaway Branch didn't have such a stipulation in it's charter.
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Re: Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist
Posted by Fred G* on Sat Nov 12 08:34:42 2011, in response to Make unused Rockaway LIRR into greenspace: Activist, posted by Gold_12TH on Fri Nov 11 01:24:42 2011.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It would serve the city better as a rail line. A park sounds good on paper but this isn't lower Manhattan and the park would become a haven for criminals. your pal, Fred
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