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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Aug 8 22:13:36 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 8 18:20:31 2011. It does know, and it doesn't ask you to. If you read the user agreements that come with them, they tell you're expected to follow the rules of the road and that it's never 100% accurate, watch for changing conditions, etc... |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Aug 8 22:31:47 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 8 19:41:33 2011. OK...well, we disagree. NBD... |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 8 22:32:21 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 8 19:49:05 2011. I won't make that mistake again. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Mon Aug 8 22:36:08 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Aug 8 20:55:11 2011. According to MUCTD, >=30' median means it's to be treated as two separate intersections. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 8 22:41:29 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Aug 8 20:43:12 2011. I think it was Independence. I don't remember why I was in the left lane but by the time I decided to switch to the center lane and then the right lane, the left lane became a left turn only lane. I was forced to make a left turn bevause I couldnt get out. The sign said Arlington with a left arrow. There was no indication that making a left would take you onto the bridge. In order to use the cloverleaf to make a U turn, you would have to know beforehand that it was there which I didn't know. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Aug 8 22:47:15 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Aug 8 10:44:22 2011. I was on the other side of the expressway. And if it was so easy to find, why did the cop have to call for directions? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 9 03:57:28 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 8 19:53:27 2011. There is only one numbered highway that isn't an interstate or US highway in DC... |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 9 04:01:07 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Aug 8 20:43:12 2011. He says it was 20 years ago, the traffic patterns may have changed since then. Even so, many of the points made by others in this thread still stand strong IMO. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 9 11:21:20 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 8 14:54:14 2011. 2009 MUTCD (current edition), Figure 2B-16, page 81:The figure shows the recommended placement of the Keep Right sign if used, but it doesn't say the sign is required. The intersection does need One Way signs if there are no Keep Right signs. 2009 MUTCD (emphasis added): Section 2B.32 Keep Right and Keep Left Signs (R4-7, R4-8) Option: 01 The Keep Right (R4-7) sign (see Figure 2B-10) may be used at locations where it is necessary for traffic to pass only to the right-hand side of a roadway feature or obstruction. ... Option: 05 The Keep Right sign may be omitted at intermediate ends of divisional islands and medians. ... Section 2B.40 ONE WAY Signs (R6-1, R6-2) 04 At an intersection with a divided highway that has a median width at the intersection itself of less than 30 feet, Keep Right (R4-7) signs and/or ONE WAY signs shall be installed (see Figures 2B-16 and 2B-17). If Keep Right signs are installed, they shall be placed as close as practical to the approach ends of the medians and shall be visible to traffic on the divided highway and each crossroad approach. If ONE WAY signs are installed, they shall be placed on the near right and far left corners of the intersection and shall be visible to each crossroad approach. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 9 11:35:00 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 8 19:42:56 2011. Then he doesn't get GPS.Of course not, because not everyone who can afford a car can necessarily afford GPS also. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 9 11:35:59 2011, in response to Re: Signage and Customer Service, posted by Railman718 on Mon Aug 8 13:16:12 2011. I know somebody who brought a USED car for 100 bucks..Hey, I sold one for a hundred bucks! |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 9 11:57:06 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 9 11:21:20 2011. You left out the Guidance:Guidance: 02 At locations where it is not readily apparent that traffic is required to keep to the right, a Keep Right sign should be used. I would say on a multi-lane, multi-divided roadway such as Kings Highway or Queens Blvd, these signs would be required at every intersection. I read this rule as an either/or rule. One-way signs are not required if keep right signs are used, and vice-versa. The general rule of driving is the keep right, and I don't see how someone turning left onto a divided roadway would go to the left side of the divider, unless they're not an observant driver. I've never seen the sign shown as R6-3 or R6-3a on the road, a divided highway crossing sign. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Tue Aug 9 13:15:16 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Aug 4 10:44:55 2011. Gotta love Mayhem.Pablo |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 9 14:09:08 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 9 11:57:06 2011. You left out the Guidance:Guidance: 02 At locations where it is not readily apparent that traffic is required to keep to the right, a Keep Right sign should be used. "Should" means not required. I would also argue that on an 80' wide street with 4' of concrete in the middle, it is "readily apparent" that traffic keep to the right. I read this rule as an either/or rule. One-way signs are not required if keep right signs are used, and vice-versa. It is. I've never seen the sign shown as R6-3 or R6-3a on the road, a divided highway crossing sign. They're more common in rural areas. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 9 15:04:39 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 9 14:09:08 2011. According to Merriam-Webster, should is the past tense of shall; one of the definitions is this:a —used to express a command or exhortation It also lists the following for should: 2 —used in auxiliary function to express obligation, propriety, or expediency <'tis commanded I should do so — Shakespeare> I don't see a definition that indicates it means 'not required', but if I'm misinterpreting, please shine a light... |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 9 15:06:31 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 9 15:04:39 2011. Of course there were other example sentences there, but I cut and pasted and neglected to edit the > and < to prevent HTML conversion. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 9 17:09:25 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 9 15:04:39 2011. According to Merriam-Webster, should is the past tense of shall...I don't see a definition that indicates it means 'not required', but if I'm misinterpreting, please shine a light...In the MUTCD, "shall" means it's required, "should" means it's recommended but not required, and "may" means it's completely optional. Section 1A.13 |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Wed Aug 10 00:01:12 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 9 17:09:25 2011. My reading of that doesn't define should or shall, but defines 'guidance' statements as recommended, but not mandatory; they only use 'should' in the guidance statement. You're correct that it's not required. Thank you for the enlightenment.For those not wanting to peruse, what's required goes under 'standards' statements, and use 'shall', not 'should'. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 10 08:08:23 2011, in response to Re: OT = Signage and Customer Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Wed Aug 10 00:01:12 2011. My reading of that doesn't define should or shall, but defines 'guidance' statements as recommended, but not mandatory; they only use 'should' in the guidance statement.That's true, but not every statement in the MUTCD has the "Standard," "Guidance," or "Option" heading. "Shall" means mandatory, "should" means recommended, and "may" means optional, whether there's a heading or not. |
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