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Re: Forget 2nd Ave. Now Subway to Red Hook

Posted by G1Ravage on Wed Jan 3 21:04:57 2018, in response to Forget 2nd Ave. Now Subway to Red Hook, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Wed Jan 3 08:58:14 2018.

Any plan to extend ANY subway tunnel to Brooklyn for the express purpose of creating one new stop in Red Hook is ridiculous. Especially if they decide to extend the (1) train there, as in the original plans.

I have a better "pipe dream" plan. Any thought of a subway to Red Hook has to be tied into the final plans of the Second Avenue Line. South of the Grand Street station (wherever they decide to put it), a branch will turn left towards the river. Build the tunnel there, where the river is shortest. Build it deep, so the new line can easily pass beneath the existing lines in downtown Brooklyn.

After heading southeast through the new tunnel into Brooklyn, the line will turn south beneath Cadman Plaza Park, and then south beneath Court Street. First stop would be Court Street - Borough Hall, with transfers to the (2)(3)(4)(5) and (R) trains.

Continue south beneath Court Street, with the next stop being Carroll Street. A short transfer passage can be built to the Carroll Street (F) and (G) station one block to the east. After Carroll Street, they can send the line into Red Hook, to wherever the hell they please. Not sure where they want the line to terminate.

The NIMBYs of Cobble Hill and Carroll Gardens would never allow such disruptive subway construction. But instead of a one stop dead-end extension of the (1) train (which would cease to exist any time a G/O shuts down the (1) south of Chambers Street), my plan nets a shorter under river tunnel, an additional subway serving downtown Brooklyn, and the ability for commuters coming from *multiple* Brooklyn neighborhoods to have a direct transfer to the Second Avenue Line, further reducing overcrowding on the Lexington Avenue Line trains from Brooklyn for those heading to the East Side.

In addition, this plan hinges on the Second Avenue Line being built at least as far south as Grand Street, ensuring that more of it gets completed. If the Governor or Mayor want pet projects to help Red Hook for whatever reason, then get the major stuff done first. And then make smarter decisions that can help service MANY people, and not just some dumbass one stop extension to that neighborhood.


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