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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 10:40:02 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by SMAZ on Wed Aug 24 09:32:44 2016.

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Those numbers confirm a very low union density,

Not misleading at all had you gone to the site I posted the link to. It showed the percentage of union members in the state compared with the national average.




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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 10:48:13 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 10:40:02 2016.

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Not misleading at all had you gone to the site I posted the link to. It showed the percentage of union members in the state compared with the national average.

It's less than half the national average (4.5 percent versus 11.1 percent). Only Georgia, Utah, and the Carolinas have a lower union membership rate.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 24 10:57:45 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 10:38:18 2016.

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Because they count to the start of election day. You said "we'll know." Obviously we won't at 12AM on November 8.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 24 11:42:05 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 24 10:57:45 2016.

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Exactly.



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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 14:13:32 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Aug 24 09:30:58 2016.

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hey turtle STFU

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 14:13:46 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 10:36:30 2016.

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zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 14:14:19 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 07:43:31 2016.

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and if i refuse ?
lol

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 14:14:53 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Aug 24 09:31:15 2016.

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RIGHT

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 14:15:23 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by SMAZ on Wed Aug 24 09:32:44 2016.

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IAWTP

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 14:50:08 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 24 10:57:45 2016.

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True, but I'm pretty sure we'll know by the end of election day.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 14:51:04 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 10:48:13 2016.

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So what? It doesn't change the fact that last year there were 503,000 people living here who are union members.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Aug 24 15:15:07 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 22 13:23:15 2016.

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The film has officially flopped.

Proof/proff here, and here.

Then there's articles like this, denying the fact that the film did poorly. Apparently Jef Rouner hasn't got the memo!



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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 24 15:19:00 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Aug 24 15:15:07 2016.

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Hey-yy . . .



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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Aug 24 16:20:50 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 24 15:19:00 2016.

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Leslie Jones? No thanks! One of the reasons I avoided that turkey in the first place!

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 17:22:45 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 14:51:04 2016.

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That's all? Ou of how many millions?

Texas has more people that qualify for yet do not receive Medicaid, which would enable them to access medical care than union members. Unions are an excellent source for high quality healthcare. Pity they're such a curiousity down there.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 24 17:35:17 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Aug 24 15:15:07 2016.

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It's interesting to compare the weekend grosses with the original Ghostbusters. The original didn't do that well in the opening weekend, but it lasted many weeks.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 17:50:58 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Aug 24 16:20:50 2016.

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Have you seen the latest news? Some posted nekkid pictures of her on her web site.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/movies/leslie-jones-website-hacked.html

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 17:59:12 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 17:22:45 2016.

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Not all union contracts include employer-sponsored healthcare coverage. Large employers that have contacts with the IAM, UAW, etc., almost always do (although the employees may have co-pays and/or share in premium payments) but smaller unionized employers frequently aren't offered employer-sponsored healthcare coverage.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 18:01:14 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 24 17:35:17 2016.

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The culture around moviegoing was different then. Now, if ot doesn't open with a new record, it's pulled and out on bluerY DVD in a heartbeat.

Back in 1985, a successful film did tweleve weeks in theatres. If it was really big it merited a second run. A year ot two later that same film was out as a rental VHS then later by a few months at a reasonable sale price.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 18:03:50 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 17:59:12 2016.

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For many it's a u ion benefit. I can understand your not knowing that since you live in texas which has a miniscule at best organized labor footprint.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 18:35:52 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 18:03:50 2016.

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iawtp

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 18:37:28 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 17:22:45 2016.

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iawtp

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 19:07:43 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 18:03:50 2016.

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ROTFL! Not knowing? Gee, my wife worked for the NLRB for 16 years as an attorney (including eight years in Texas) and is now an NLRB judge; I have a background in tax law and labor law; but I know nothing about union benefits.

OMG, you get less rational all the time.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 19:09:02 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 18:37:28 2016.

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You should know better than to agree with a know-nothing. OTOH, you think you weren't a draft dodger so I'm not surprised.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 19:22:59 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 19:09:02 2016.

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i did not '''dodge''' the draft i refused to go to war !
leave bing bong alone !!

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 19:24:09 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 19:07:43 2016.

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stfu

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Aug 24 19:49:55 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 17:50:58 2016.

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A thread about that would be worthless with pix.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 20:21:37 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 19:07:43 2016.

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Well you seem so adamant about describing how unions don't provide benefits provided elsewhere in the country through unions or their contracts in texas.

Still the fact remains that union membership has a long history of providing better wages and benefits for their members, enabling what was once a robust middle class now decimated by people with hateful attitudes like yours.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 20:30:34 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 20:21:37 2016.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by MTK52983 on Wed Aug 24 20:32:59 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 20:21:37 2016.

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Union membership also has a long history of protecting low-performing workers and their own fiefdoms rather than working to ensure that performance is rewarded, enabling what was once a robust middle class now decimated by people with hateful attitudes like yours.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 21:08:54 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by MTK52983 on Wed Aug 24 20:32:59 2016.

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Well said.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 21:10:32 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 19:24:09 2016.

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lol

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 21:11:53 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 19:22:59 2016.

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Same thing.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 21:13:39 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 24 20:21:37 2016.

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Well you seem so adamant about describing how unions don't provide benefits provided elsewhere in the country through unions or their contracts in texas.

My comments were about unions in general, not just in Texas. Small shops where employees are not members of national unions like the UAW typically don't get all the benefits in their contracts that members of the larger unions have. It's a fact of life based on the financial capabilities of the employer.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 21:26:49 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 21:10:32 2016.

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stfu

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 21:27:17 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 21:11:53 2016.

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not true ! i refuse to go to war

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 21:39:23 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 24 14:51:04 2016.

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So what? It doesn't change the fact that last year there were 503,000 people living here who are union members.

Having 503,000 union members doesn't change the fact that 45 states proportionally have more union members.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 21:40:54 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 24 21:39:23 2016.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 22:20:06 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 21:26:49 2016.

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no

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 22:20:45 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 21:27:17 2016.

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no difference.

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 22:21:31 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 22:20:06 2016.

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yes

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 22:21:50 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 22:20:45 2016.

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same thing

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 22:23:20 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 22:20:45 2016.

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i refuse to go to war FACT and i got away with it too
lol

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 22:29:22 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 22:21:31 2016.

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stfu

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 22:30:01 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 22:21:50 2016.

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that's what I said

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 22:37:57 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 22:30:01 2016.

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so ?
what ?

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 22:38:13 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by Chicagomotorman on Wed Aug 24 22:29:22 2016.

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ladies first

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by MTK52983 on Wed Aug 24 22:55:00 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 22:37:57 2016.

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Buttons

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 24 22:58:33 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by MTK52983 on Wed Aug 24 22:55:00 2016.

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WTF ?

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Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor

Posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 25 01:12:59 2016, in response to Re: Early data show $15 minimum hurting Seattle's poor, posted by MTK52983 on Wed Aug 24 20:32:59 2016.

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Still helped more than it harmed. Far more,

Yes, unions didn't keep pace with improvements in automation either, end result being claims of "featherbedding". Had they we may not have seen such economic distress among those who once depended on manufacturing for a livelihood.

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